Moses Mbye Injury

[CarltonDry]

@DieHarder well Mr Happy he was walking up the stairs yesterday with no limp. I didn’t use google I used my own eyes. As I said I’ve never seen anyone go down like that in my life with a hip flexor injury it’s normally they can’t hit top speed

 

[Jock Koss]

@CarltonDry yes, mate , I see what u r getting at but I’m literally saying this isn’t your average one, it’s now common knowledge he tore his hip flexor quite severely doing goal kicking pre-game . Never should’ve been asked to play, maybe warm the bench for 80 is understandable but as our captain , Strike centre and only decent goal kicker he needed not to be selfish and disclose how seriously it was effecting him ... I’ve seen people go down like they’ve been shot by a sniper due to severe hip flexor / even minor issues and mate I’ll tell you it’s a fact because as I said the same happened to me last year ! Hurt like a hot burn from mumma’s crock pot !

 

[happy_tiger]

Go have a look at all the stats from that game and tell me we don’t win with Liddle coming off the bench as hooker instead of Taylor

I have no idea whether or not we win if Liddle plays instead of Taylor. If you can claim to know this, truly, then stop reading the forum, clear your mind of distractions and go focus on cleaning up the casinos and bookies with your savant capabilities.

Yet you claim you know that Mbye's injury was tested fully before hand and I am misconstruing what Madge said in presser

Pot ...kettle ..black

 

[jirskyr]

Go have a look at all the stats from that game and tell me we don’t win with Liddle coming off the bench as hooker instead of Taylor

I have no idea whether or not we win if Liddle plays instead of Taylor. If you can claim to know this, truly, then stop reading the forum, clear your mind of distractions and go focus on cleaning up the casinos and bookies with your savant capabilities.

Yet you claim you know that Mbye's injury was tested fully before hand and I am misconstruing what Madge said in presser

Pot ...kettle ..black

If the physios tested it, you can only assume it was "tested fully"? Do physios do half tests these days, is that the norm? Partial assessments by the team doctor?

I won't claim to know what they tested or how, just that they tested it and he passed the test.

If you want to criticise the test, fair enough, find out exactly what they tested and critique that process.

But you see I am not criticising the physios or coach or medic, I am assuming they made their best assessment. Whether or not that was to an adequately professional standard I cannot say, but again, I am not criticising them for the level at which they operated, so I am under no duress to provide evidence for or against them.

 

[Jock Koss]

@jirskyr I gave the medico’s the benefit of the doubt too... somewhat foolishly apparently, because all the evidence is now pointing toward him having a grade 2-3 tear of his flexor and kicking leg well before kick-off... the argument cannot be made that he was allowed to because they thought it was the best decision for the team (not you but many on here have said) and I definitely still agree with, or that they did ‘adequately’ test it because it’s since been proven to have at least been the wrong initial diagnosis and what I’m leaning towards was a very brief *assessment* by the doctors indeed.

Unfortunately, Madge has been copping it for all of this and that is something I can no longer deflect from if he was aware of the magnitude of the injury or just how important - as we fans were- that game was to defining our entire season . You cannot argue that the right decision was made anymore, it’s just “how badly wrong did they get it?” And who is most at fault in the ensuing breakdown. For me it is Player &Physio alone ... Madge was counting on Mbye who would’ve known let me assure you, that he was not at all good to go the 80.

 

[Madge]

Apparently he is going to undergo hip surgery?

 

[rustycage]

Madge can't turn around and say but but but the medical staff said.

Actually he can and did. They cleared him for to play he has no option but to trust their judgement. Are you suggesting he has a greater medical opinion than a doctor?

You also haven't answered what I asked earlier. Would you be happy if Matterson had a niggle, was cleared medically fit by the doctor and for Maguire to rule him out against the professional advice?

We'll have to agree to disagree.

You've done your best, they aren't to be reasoned with on this one.

Clearly it was more than a niggle. Therein lies the problem.

 

[jirskyr]

Madge can't turn around and say but but but the medical staff said.

Actually he can and did. They cleared him for to play he has no option but to trust their judgement. Are you suggesting he has a greater medical opinion than a doctor?

You also haven't answered what I asked earlier. Would you be happy if Matterson had a niggle, was cleared medically fit by the doctor and for Maguire to rule him out against the professional advice?

We'll have to agree to disagree.

You've done your best, they aren't to be reasoned with on this one.


Clearly it was more than a niggle. Therein lies the problem.

No, not clearly. He may have done the maximum damage only during the match, and I have yet to see a report to the contrary.

You may twinge your hammy in warm up, overcome the twinge, then tear your hamstring during the match. That doesn't mean the warm up wasn't a niggle.

 

[voice_of_reason]

No, not clearly. He may have done the maximum damage only during the match, and I have yet to see a report to the contrary.

You may twinge your hammy in warm up, overcome the twinge, then tear your hamstring during the match. That doesn't mean the warm up wasn't a niggle.

Exactly. 22 weeks into the season it would be fair to say 80% of players are taking the field with niggles. You only need to watch the shoulder/knee/elbow/ankle taping being done in the dressing rooms pre-game to realise that. I'm sure out of camera view there's enough needles to make an addict blush.

Like it or not, coaches have to rely on medical staff for medical assessments. The players have to tread the very fine line between letting the team down by playing versus letting the team down by not playing. Unfortunately these things aren't black and white.

You roll the dice and sometimes come up with snake eyes.

 

[rustycage]

Madge can't turn around and say but but but the medical staff said.

Actually he can and did. They cleared him for to play he has no option but to trust their judgement. Are you suggesting he has a greater medical opinion than a doctor?

You also haven't answered what I asked earlier. Would you be happy if Matterson had a niggle, was cleared medically fit by the doctor and for Maguire to rule him out against the professional advice?

We'll have to agree to disagree.

You've done your best, they aren't to be reasoned with on this one.


Clearly it was more than a niggle. Therein lies the problem.

No, not clearly. He may have done the maximum damage only during the match, and I have yet to see a report to the contrary.

You may twinge your hammy in warm up, overcome the twinge, then tear your hamstring during the match. That doesn't mean the warm up wasn't a niggle.

Of course you won't see a report. As if they're gonna say "it wasn't looking good, he seemed pretty bad but we sent him out anyway and we screwed up." No, it's fluff. They ballsed up good on this one. Madge said something along the lines of "it was only when he hit top speed." Well, if he did it during the final pass for the try, he was nowhere near too speed.

 

[jirskyr]

Madge can't turn around and say but but but the medical staff said.

Actually he can and did. They cleared him for to play he has no option but to trust their judgement. Are you suggesting he has a greater medical opinion than a doctor?

You also haven't answered what I asked earlier. Would you be happy if Matterson had a niggle, was cleared medically fit by the doctor and for Maguire to rule him out against the professional advice?

We'll have to agree to disagree.

You've done your best, they aren't to be reasoned with on this one.


Clearly it was more than a niggle. Therein lies the problem.

No, not clearly. He may have done the maximum damage only during the match, and I have yet to see a report to the contrary.

You may twinge your hammy in warm up, overcome the twinge, then tear your hamstring during the match. That doesn't mean the warm up wasn't a niggle.

Of course you won't see a report. As if they're gonna say "it wasn't looking good, he seemed pretty bad but we sent him out anyway and we screwed up." No, it's fluff. They ballsed up good on this one. Madge said something along the lines of "it was only when he hit top speed." Well, if he did it during the final pass for the try, he was nowhere near too speed.

You can't argue that the absence of information proves something. If they don't tell you exactly what happened in his fitness test and you weren't personally there, you have to take it at face value that they did an appropriate fitness test. Or don't take it at face value, but that position applies to everything - that management are potentially lying about everything.

I don't know why anyone cares anyway, which fan is actually going to go after the coach or physios for Mbye getting injured once. Mbye playing 80 mins offers no guarantee to the outcome of the match, nor does beating Bulldogs guarantee our season.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Blind Freddy should have made the decision, as he would have quite clearly heard the severity of Moses' limp on the concrete underfoot.

 

[Jock Koss]

@rustycage I actually think he makes it way worse on that first carry he takes fractionally earlier in the game... he is totally lame on one leg after that contact , surely it can’t have been as bad as reported now before the game - otherwise that IS a major balls up. No two ways about it