Nathan Cleary

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Nathan and Ivan spotted at Camden Lakeside (Wests Group) a couple of weeks ago. Sounds pretty normal, apart from the fact that Nathan's manager and a certain Justin Pascoe was there :wink:

We can only dream, but this is what keeps us going in the offseason.

 

[supercoach]

If he maintains his form or even gets better there will be a frenzy for his signature and dad or no dad we have a very poor track record when it comes to out bidding our rivals. Be interesting if Brooks actually delivers over the next two years..what happens than

 

[vlad]

If he maintains his form or even gets better there will be a frenzy for his signature and dad or no dad we have a very poor track record when it comes to out bidding our rivals. Be interesting if Brooks actually delivers over the next two years..what happens than

Player swap with Panthers next off season .

 

[Fraze23]

Griffin will be under immense pressure to get something decent out of the Panthers next year. Having an unstable situation with the coach could play into our hands.

But the fact that Cronk also comes off contract at the same time and their track record for pinching star juniors has me convinced he'll end up at the Roosters. If Robinson doesn't win a comp in the next 2 years he'll be punted and Ivan will probably join him there the following year.

 

[gallagher]

Griffin will be under immense pressure to get something decent out of the Panthers next year. Having an unstable situation with the coach could play into our hands.

But the fact that Cronk also comes off contract at the same time and their track record for pinching star juniors has me convinced he'll end up at the Roosters. If Robinson doesn't win a comp in the next 2 years he'll be punted and Ivan will probably join him there the following year.

Being a former rooster player, Ivan would be aware of the advantages of playing at the chooks aswell..

 

[Tigerdon]

Griffin will be under immense pressure to get something decent out of the Panthers next year. Having an unstable situation with the coach could play into our hands.

But the fact that Cronk also comes off contract at the same time and their track record for pinching star juniors has me convinced he'll end up at the Roosters. If Robinson doesn't win a comp in the next 2 years he'll be punted and Ivan will probably join him there the following year.

Being a former rooster player, Ivan would be aware of the advantages of playing at the chooks aswell..

There are advantages of Ivan/ Nathan being at the WTs as well.
1\. They won’t be under Nick’s thumb.
2\. Have more control on how the team is run.
3\. Ivan has a good working relationship with Pascoe, why throw that a way.
4\. A lot of good players fail off the field at the Roosters. It’s a cut throat club. They offen turn to booze/drugs and dogs to relieve the pressure.

 

[gallagher]

Griffin will be under immense pressure to get something decent out of the Panthers next year. Having an unstable situation with the coach could play into our hands.

But the fact that Cronk also comes off contract at the same time and their track record for pinching star juniors has me convinced he'll end up at the Roosters. If Robinson doesn't win a comp in the next 2 years he'll be punted and Ivan will probably join him there the following year.

Being a former rooster player, Ivan would be aware of the advantages of playing at the chooks aswell..

There are advantages of Ivan/ Nathan being at the WTs as well.
1\. They won’t be under Nick’s thumb.
2\. Have more control on how the team is run.
3\. Ivan has a good working relationship with Pascoe, why throw that a way.
4\. A lot of good players fail off the field at the Roosters. It’s a cut throat club. They offen turn to booze/drugs and dogs to relieve the pressure.

Yeah i could see 4 possibly being any issue.

 

[colmcd]

Griffin will be under immense pressure to get something decent out of the Panthers next year. Having an unstable situation with the coach could play into our hands.

But the fact that Cronk also comes off contract at the same time and their track record for pinching star juniors has me convinced he'll end up at the Roosters. If Robinson doesn't win a comp in the next 2 years he'll be punted and Ivan will probably join him there the following year.

Being a former rooster player, Ivan would be aware of the advantages of playing at the chooks aswell..

There are advantages of Ivan/ Nathan being at the WTs as well.
1\. They won’t be under Nick’s thumb.
2\. Have more control on how the team is run.
3\. Ivan has a good working relationship with Pascoe, why throw that a way.
4\. A lot of good players fail off the field at the Roosters. It’s a cut throat club. They offen turn to booze/drugs and dogs to relieve the pressure.

Yeah i could see 4 possibly being any issue.

If Nathan and Ivan become a combo team (that's still an IF, I haven't heard Nathan talk up playing under his dad too much), it's up to us to keep or loose them. Roosters, Panthers or hey a cashed up Bulldogs/whomever will be placing their bids. We know this, we know that if Nathan has the goods then the cash will flow.

Ivan too isn't a supercoach. He is a good club coach. He can get teams to the top 4 in the past but he isn't a Flanagan, Green let alone a Bennett or Bellamy. Don't get me wrong he is exactly what we need, but we shouldn't see supermoney go for him.

Yes the Roosters will offer corporate deals and yes some club somewhere will go all out. Yet we got Benji and Beau on TV, we can still do our deals. The Panthers will try their best to be a great club for Nathan and we can try our best to be a great club for Ivan. One of the big cat teams should get these two.

If the Roosters, Cronulla or anyone else sign the Duo, then we need to fire the board (barring the stupid Rugby League normal happenings or Ivan/Nathan not performing). Ivan has built the team here, he has selected the players and has a good relationship with them. Nathan and/or Ivan will want to play with their mates. Sure Nick Politis and others will call in the favours (if Nick even wants Ivan) but we should see Ivan stay with what he has built.

 

[colmcd]

Russell, do you have two nephews, one called Jacob and the other called Luke?

No I don't BBF - but I do think that Jacob and Luke plus Josh and Tui could be stand outs for the Tigers in 2018.

People have been saying that it is the weakest spine in the NRL.

I don't think so.

Couldn't be weaker than the Dogs.

What Lichaa, Mbye, Foran and Hopoate? If Lichaa and Mbye actually perform they have a great spine. I suspect though that Hopoate isn't a fullback but a Center and that Mbye is more a 5/8 then a half.

It's all a box of choclates, we don't know what were going to get.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't think Ivan is the sort of bloke who would put himself over his boy. If he thinks the best move Nathan can make is to Wests I am sure he'll tell him, just as I think if he thinks that the best career move is for Nathan to take a deal at Easts/Cronulla/Melbourne/etc he'll probably tell him to do so.

The Chooks will go hard for Cleary Jnr and if Melbourne's half doesn't work out they may be in the mix as well so we'll be very much up against it. Will probably need some good external third party money floating around (and a good showing in 2018/2019,) to sew him up.

 

[Russell]

Being a former rooster player, Ivan would be aware of the advantages of playing at the chooks aswell..

There are advantages of Ivan/ Nathan being at the WTs as well.
1\. They won’t be under Nick’s thumb.
2\. Have more control on how the team is run.
3\. Ivan has a good working relationship with Pascoe, why throw that a way.
4\. A lot of good players fail off the field at the Roosters. It’s a cut throat club. They offen turn to booze/drugs and dogs to relieve the pressure.

Yeah i could see 4 possibly being any issue.

If Nathan and Ivan become a combo team (that's still an IF, I haven't heard Nathan talk up playing under his dad too much), it's up to us to keep or loose them. Roosters, Panthers or hey a cashed up Bulldogs/whomever will be placing their bids. We know this, we know that if Nathan has the goods then the cash will flow.

Ivan too isn't a supercoach. He is a good club coach. He can get teams to the top 4 in the past but he isn't a Flanagan, Green let alone a Bennett or Bellamy. Don't get me wrong he is exactly what we need, but we shouldn't see supermoney go for him.

Yes the Roosters will offer corporate deals and yes some club somewhere will go all out. Yet we got Benji and Beau on TV, we can still do our deals. The Panthers will try their best to be a great club for Nathan and we can try our best to be a great club for Ivan. One of the big cat teams should get these two.

If the Roosters, Cronulla or anyone else sign the Duo, then we need to fire the board (barring the stupid Rugby League normal happenings or Ivan/Nathan not performing). Ivan has built the team here, he has selected the players and has a good relationship with them. Nathan and/or Ivan will want to play with their mates. Sure Nick Politis and others will call in the favours (if Nick even wants Ivan) but we should see Ivan stay with what he has built.

He might've won a premiership but to say Flanagan is worth mentioning in the same paragraph with Green, Bellamy, Bennett etc. is just folly.

Cleary may not be a supercoach but imo he would buy and sell Flanagan and he doesn't need to condone peptides to do it.

2017 showed how good Flanagan is .. to my mind not as good as Robinson, Arthur and a few others as well.

 

[WestsBenTigers]

There are advantages of Ivan/ Nathan being at the WTs as well.
1\. They won’t be under Nick’s thumb.
2\. Have more control on how the team is run.
3\. Ivan has a good working relationship with Pascoe, why throw that a way.
4\. A lot of good players fail off the field at the Roosters. It’s a cut throat club. They offen turn to booze/drugs and dogs to relieve the pressure.

Yeah i could see 4 possibly being any issue.

If Nathan and Ivan become a combo team (that's still an IF, I haven't heard Nathan talk up playing under his dad too much), it's up to us to keep or loose them. Roosters, Panthers or hey a cashed up Bulldogs/whomever will be placing their bids. We know this, we know that if Nathan has the goods then the cash will flow.

Ivan too isn't a supercoach. He is a good club coach. He can get teams to the top 4 in the past but he isn't a Flanagan, Green let alone a Bennett or Bellamy. Don't get me wrong he is exactly what we need, but we shouldn't see supermoney go for him.

Yes the Roosters will offer corporate deals and yes some club somewhere will go all out. Yet we got Benji and Beau on TV, we can still do our deals. The Panthers will try their best to be a great club for Nathan and we can try our best to be a great club for Ivan. One of the big cat teams should get these two.

If the Roosters, Cronulla or anyone else sign the Duo, then we need to fire the board (barring the stupid Rugby League normal happenings or Ivan/Nathan not performing). Ivan has built the team here, he has selected the players and has a good relationship with them. Nathan and/or Ivan will want to play with their mates. Sure Nick Politis and others will call in the favours (if Nick even wants Ivan) but we should see Ivan stay with what he has built.

He might've won a premiership but to say Flanagan is worth mentioning in the same paragraph with Green, Bellamy, Bennett etc. is just folly.

Cleary may not be a supercoach but imo he would buy and sell Flanagan and he doesn't need to condone peptides to do it.

2017 showed how good Flanagan is .. to my mind not as good as Robinson, Arthur and a few others as well.

Robinson???

He has a superstar team and Nick Politis.

In the preliminary final, he played 2 backrowers in the centres and a winger on the bench.

He'd struggle to make the top 8 coaches in the NRL

 

[tigerap]

Yeah i could see 4 possibly being any issue.

If Nathan and Ivan become a combo team (that's still an IF, I haven't heard Nathan talk up playing under his dad too much), it's up to us to keep or loose them. Roosters, Panthers or hey a cashed up Bulldogs/whomever will be placing their bids. We know this, we know that if Nathan has the goods then the cash will flow.

Ivan too isn't a supercoach. He is a good club coach. He can get teams to the top 4 in the past but he isn't a Flanagan, Green let alone a Bennett or Bellamy. Don't get me wrong he is exactly what we need, but we shouldn't see supermoney go for him.

Yes the Roosters will offer corporate deals and yes some club somewhere will go all out. Yet we got Benji and Beau on TV, we can still do our deals. The Panthers will try their best to be a great club for Nathan and we can try our best to be a great club for Ivan. One of the big cat teams should get these two.

If the Roosters, Cronulla or anyone else sign the Duo, then we need to fire the board (barring the stupid Rugby League normal happenings or Ivan/Nathan not performing). Ivan has built the team here, he has selected the players and has a good relationship with them. Nathan and/or Ivan will want to play with their mates. Sure Nick Politis and others will call in the favours (if Nick even wants Ivan) but we should see Ivan stay with what he has built.

He might've won a premiership but to say Flanagan is worth mentioning in the same paragraph with Green, Bellamy, Bennett etc. is just folly.

Cleary may not be a supercoach but imo he would buy and sell Flanagan and he doesn't need to condone peptides to do it.

2017 showed how good Flanagan is .. to my mind not as good as Robinson, Arthur and a few others as well.

Robinson???

He has a superstar team and Nick Politis.

In the preliminary final, he played 2 backrowers in the centres and a winger on the bench.

He'd struggle to make the top 8 coaches in the NRL

agreed 100% , throw Bennett and Flanagan into that pool too

 

[Russell]

Yeah i could see 4 possibly being any issue.

If Nathan and Ivan become a combo team (that's still an IF, I haven't heard Nathan talk up playing under his dad too much), it's up to us to keep or loose them. Roosters, Panthers or hey a cashed up Bulldogs/whomever will be placing their bids. We know this, we know that if Nathan has the goods then the cash will flow.

Ivan too isn't a supercoach. He is a good club coach. He can get teams to the top 4 in the past but he isn't a Flanagan, Green let alone a Bennett or Bellamy. Don't get me wrong he is exactly what we need, but we shouldn't see supermoney go for him.

Yes the Roosters will offer corporate deals and yes some club somewhere will go all out. Yet we got Benji and Beau on TV, we can still do our deals. The Panthers will try their best to be a great club for Nathan and we can try our best to be a great club for Ivan. One of the big cat teams should get these two.

If the Roosters, Cronulla or anyone else sign the Duo, then we need to fire the board (barring the stupid Rugby League normal happenings or Ivan/Nathan not performing). Ivan has built the team here, he has selected the players and has a good relationship with them. Nathan and/or Ivan will want to play with their mates. Sure Nick Politis and others will call in the favours (if Nick even wants Ivan) but we should see Ivan stay with what he has built.

He might've won a premiership but to say Flanagan is worth mentioning in the same paragraph with Green, Bellamy, Bennett etc. is just folly.

Cleary may not be a supercoach but imo he would buy and sell Flanagan and he doesn't need to condone peptides to do it.

2017 showed how good Flanagan is .. to my mind not as good as Robinson, Arthur and a few others as well.

Robinson???

He has a superstar team and Nick Politis.

In the preliminary final, he played 2 backrowers in the centres and a winger on the bench.

He'd struggle to make the top 8 coaches in the NRL

If you read what I said correctly which was… Flanagan ( Mr Peptides) is not as good as Robinson.

Nothing else. I don't care if he played 17 back rowers, that is not the point.

 

[WestsBenTigers]

If Nathan and Ivan become a combo team (that's still an IF, I haven't heard Nathan talk up playing under his dad too much), it's up to us to keep or loose them. Roosters, Panthers or hey a cashed up Bulldogs/whomever will be placing their bids. We know this, we know that if Nathan has the goods then the cash will flow.

Ivan too isn't a supercoach. He is a good club coach. He can get teams to the top 4 in the past but he isn't a Flanagan, Green let alone a Bennett or Bellamy. Don't get me wrong he is exactly what we need, but we shouldn't see supermoney go for him.

Yes the Roosters will offer corporate deals and yes some club somewhere will go all out. Yet we got Benji and Beau on TV, we can still do our deals. The Panthers will try their best to be a great club for Nathan and we can try our best to be a great club for Ivan. One of the big cat teams should get these two.

If the Roosters, Cronulla or anyone else sign the Duo, then we need to fire the board (barring the stupid Rugby League normal happenings or Ivan/Nathan not performing). Ivan has built the team here, he has selected the players and has a good relationship with them. Nathan and/or Ivan will want to play with their mates. Sure Nick Politis and others will call in the favours (if Nick even wants Ivan) but we should see Ivan stay with what he has built.

He might've won a premiership but to say Flanagan is worth mentioning in the same paragraph with Green, Bellamy, Bennett etc. is just folly.

Cleary may not be a supercoach but imo he would buy and sell Flanagan and he doesn't need to condone peptides to do it.

2017 showed how good Flanagan is .. to my mind not as good as Robinson, Arthur and a few others as well.

Robinson???

He has a superstar team and Nick Politis.

In the preliminary final, he played 2 backrowers in the centres and a winger on the bench.

He'd struggle to make the top 8 coaches in the NRL

If you read what I said correctly which was… Flanagan ( Mr Peptides) is not as good as Robinson.

Nothing else. I don't care if he played 17 back rowers, that is not the point.

What you said is that Robinson is as good as Brad Arthur

 

[Balmainian]

He might've won a premiership but to say Flanagan is worth mentioning in the same paragraph with Green, Bellamy, Bennett etc. is just folly.

Cleary may not be a supercoach but imo he would buy and sell Flanagan and he doesn't need to condone peptides to do it.

2017 showed how good Flanagan is .. to my mind not as good as Robinson, Arthur and a few others as well.

Robinson???

He has a superstar team and Nick Politis.

In the preliminary final, he played 2 backrowers in the centres and a winger on the bench.

He'd struggle to make the top 8 coaches in the NRL

If you read what I said correctly which was… Flanagan ( Mr Peptides) is not as good as Robinson.

Nothing else. I don't care if he played 17 back rowers, that is not the point.

What you said is that Robinson is as good as Brad Arthur

What if we look at it from another angle?

Nathan has a quiet season.
Tigers are there abouts but not standouts.
Brooks plays well.
Penrith resign Griff.
Chooks win a comp(resign Robbo).

I know! There’s some radical what ifs above.
But who knows what’s going to happen…...I think if our club starts to show promise, heart and become a team thats actually on the rise, I couldn’t see Ivan walking away from that for a few more $$ anywhere else.
He seems a bit more salt of the earth than that.
And if we become that competitive/successful than one of 2 things will happen.
1 Nathan might jump on the bus.
2 who ever has been playing well in the halves might be the one to stick with.

Unfortunately none of us can control what’s going to happen, but I hope both brooks and Nathan have a good 2018.

 

[innsaneink]

Zzzzzz

 

[Russell]

He might've won a premiership but to say Flanagan is worth mentioning in the same paragraph with Green, Bellamy, Bennett etc. is just folly.

Cleary may not be a supercoach but imo he would buy and sell Flanagan and he doesn't need to condone peptides to do it.

2017 showed how good Flanagan is .. to my mind not as good as Robinson, Arthur and a few others as well.

Robinson???

He has a superstar team and Nick Politis.

In the preliminary final, he played 2 backrowers in the centres and a winger on the bench.

He'd struggle to make the top 8 coaches in the NRL

If you read what I said correctly which was… Flanagan ( Mr Peptides) is not as good as Robinson.

Nothing else. I don't care if he played 17 back rowers, that is not the point.

What you said is that Robinson is as good as Brad Arthur

Read again my boy - I was mot comparing Robinson with Arthur.

I said, and I repeat "Flanagan is not as good as Robinson, Arthur and a few others."

There is No scale in my comment comparing Robinson, Arthur and a few others.

 

[Russell]

He might've won a premiership but to say Flanagan is worth mentioning in the same paragraph with Green, Bellamy, Bennett etc. is just folly.

Cleary may not be a supercoach but imo he would buy and sell Flanagan and he doesn't need to condone peptides to do it.

2017 showed how good Flanagan is .. to my mind not as good as Robinson, Arthur and a few others as well.

Robinson???

He has a superstar team and Nick Politis.

In the preliminary final, he played 2 backrowers in the centres and a winger on the bench.

He'd struggle to make the top 8 coaches in the NRL

If you read what I said correctly which was… Flanagan ( Mr Peptides) is not as good as Robinson.

Nothing else. I don't care if he played 17 back rowers, that is not the point.

What you said is that Robinson is as good as Brad Arthur

Read again my boy - I was mot comparing Robinson with Arthur.

I said, and I repeat "Flanagan is not as good as Robinson, Arthur and a few others."

There is No scale in my comment comparing Robinson, Arthur and a few others.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Robinson???

He has a superstar team and Nick Politis.

In the preliminary final, he played 2 backrowers in the centres and a winger on the bench.

He'd struggle to make the top 8 coaches in the NRL

If you read what I said correctly which was… Flanagan ( Mr Peptides) is not as good as Robinson.

Nothing else. I don't care if he played 17 back rowers, that is not the point.

What you said is that Robinson is as good as Brad Arthur

What if we look at it from another angle?

Nathan has a quiet season.
Tigers are there abouts but not standouts.
Brooks plays well.
Penrith resign Griff.
Chooks win a comp(resign Robbo).

I know! There’s some radical what ifs above.
But who knows what’s going to happen…...I think if our club starts to show promise, heart and become a team thats actually on the rise, I couldn’t see Ivan walking away from that for a few more $$ anywhere else.
He seems a bit more salt of the earth than that.
And if we become that competitive/successful than one of 2 things will happen.
1 Nathan might jump on the bus.
2 who ever has been playing well in the halves might be the one to stick with.

Unfortunately none of us can control what’s going to happen, but I hope both brooks and Nathan have a good 2018.

I am very impressed with Ivan Cleary's start at Tigers. I really hope his comments in the press a few weeks ago were about bringing Nathan to the Tigers. I would be really disappointed to hear that his intentions already are to move on to greener pastures and take his son with him. we need a stable coach for a few good years. Cleary, I think, will fit this bill. I'm choosing to believe Cleary wants to build something special at Tigertown over the next few years and is keen for Nathan to be a part of it.