Nathan Cleary

[Nucky_Thompson]

I’m so over this s***. We have an awesome halfback - re-sign him to a long deal. Fix the roster and get some decent bloody players. **Extend Ivan or piss him off.** One or the other. Oh and Justin, don’t go on holidays until this is all done!

I dont get this mindset…I know all the talk and theories around it, players wont come, his heart wont be in it blah blah...i think thats rubbish myself, he will go eventually one way or the other just let him continue to do what hes building.
he doesnt deserve an extension (that hes unlikley to agree to anyway) yet and he doesnt deserve the arse

Mate I’ve had a few beers!!

BUT I think we need long term commitment to encourage good players and build our squad. If Ivan is going to Penrith in 2021, Go now. Find a coach who will not just talk about being on the bus but will actually do it. I’d prefer Ican to be that man, so extend him. If he won’t commit- bye bye!

Totally agree

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Glad he has shown loyalty to Penrith and IMO a move to the Tigers was never a option.. Let’s hope the Monopoly money earmarked for Nathan can be directed towards fixing some real holes in our roster and of course extending Brooks

A thousand times yes! We've got a good halfback already, sign some bloody forwards Ivan!

Still leaves a coaching issue for us.

 

[jirskyr]

I’m so over this s***. We have an awesome halfback - re-sign him to a long deal. Fix the roster and get some decent bloody players. **Extend Ivan or piss him off.** One or the other. Oh and Justin, don’t go on holidays until this is all done!

I dont get this mindset…I know all the talk and theories around it, players wont come, his heart wont be in it blah blah...i think thats rubbish myself, he will go eventually one way or the other just let him continue to do what hes building.
he doesnt deserve an extension (that hes unlikley to agree to anyway) yet and he doesnt deserve the arse

Mate I’ve had a few beers!!

BUT I think we need long term commitment to encourage good players and build our squad. If Ivan is going to Penrith in 2021, Go now. Find a coach who will not just talk about being on the bus but will actually do it. I’d prefer Ican to be that man, so extend him. If he won’t commit- bye bye!

Honestly don't think you've given this much thought.

Cleary has 2 full seasons to run on his contract, to end 2020\. We are all aware. Is that not enough to entice new players over? Some might only be signed for 2 seasons anyway, and there's currently no guarantee that Ivan stays or goes in 2021\. Does anyone really think Penrith will for sure sign Ivan now for 2021 if Tigers continue to fail to make any impact on the finals the next 2 years? They gave him the flick once and he hasn't got a team to the finals since - hardly a stellar track record, and they gave him the flick for a reason.

But above all this, how many coaches are actually contracted beyond 2020, i.e. how many of the other 15 head coaches have a deal with more surety than Ivan, for their players to mull on?

The answer is 3 coaches! Bellamy just extended to end 2021, Green to end 2021 and Robinson to end 2022, and those are all extensions from this season. So if you are a player wanting assurances of the coach beyond 2020, you currently have 3 choices.

How many coaches with even contracts as long as Ivans, to end of 2020? Just another 4 - Barrett (and he's leaving apparently), Garth Brennan, Brownie, Sticky. Hardly a list of success-guaranteed clubs.

All the other coaches unsigned beyond 2019 - Brad Arthur, Ciraldo, Bennett, Flanagan, Kearney, Mary, Dean Pay, Seibold.

In summary - Ivan has a contract length equal to or better than 12/15 = 80%.

 

[851]

I’m so over this s***. We have an awesome halfback - re-sign him to a long deal. Fix the roster and get some decent bloody players. **Extend Ivan or piss him off.** One or the other. Oh and Justin, don’t go on holidays until this is all done!

I dont get this mindset…I know all the talk and theories around it, players wont come, his heart wont be in it blah blah...i think thats rubbish myself, he will go eventually one way or the other just let him continue to do what hes building.
he doesnt deserve an extension (that hes unlikley to agree to anyway) yet and he doesnt deserve the arse

Mate I’ve had a few beers!!

BUT I think we need long term commitment to encourage good players and build our squad. If Ivan is going to Penrith in 2021, Go now. Find a coach who will not just talk about being on the bus but will actually do it. I’d prefer Ican to be that man, so extend him. If he won’t commit- bye bye!

They talked about this on NRL 360, more or less said the same thing, the club needs to go straight to Ivan and ask him to extend, if he declines, work out a settlement, because we will in affect have an interim coach.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Glad he has shown loyalty to Penrith and IMO a move to the Tigers was never a option.. Let’s hope the Monopoly money earmarked for Nathan can be directed towards fixing some real holes in our roster and of course extending Brooks

A thousand times yes! We've got a good halfback already, sign some bloody forwards Ivan!

Still leaves a coaching issue for us.

Not for a couple of years, I think Penrith will stick with Ciraldo.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I’m so over this s***. We have an awesome halfback - re-sign him to a long deal. Fix the roster and get some decent bloody players. **Extend Ivan or piss him off.** One or the other. Oh and Justin, don’t go on holidays until this is all done!

I dont get this mindset…I know all the talk and theories around it, players wont come, his heart wont be in it blah blah...i think thats rubbish myself, he will go eventually one way or the other just let him continue to do what hes building.
he doesnt deserve an extension (that hes unlikley to agree to anyway) yet and he doesnt deserve the arse

Mate I’ve had a few beers!!

BUT I think we need long term commitment to encourage good players and build our squad. If Ivan is going to Penrith in 2021, Go now. Find a coach who will not just talk about being on the bus but will actually do it. I’d prefer Ican to be that man, so extend him. If he won’t commit- bye bye!

Honestly don't think you've given this much thought.

Cleary has 2 full seasons to run on his contract, to end 2020\. We are all aware. Is that not enough to entice new players over? Some might only be signed for 2 seasons anyway, and there's currently no guarantee that Ivan stays or goes in 2021\. Does anyone really think Penrith will for sure sign Ivan now for 2021 if Tigers continue to fail to make any impact on the finals the next 2 years? They gave him the flick once and he hasn't got a team to the finals since - hardly a stellar track record, and they gave him the flick for a reason.

But above all this, how many coaches are actually contracted beyond 2020, i.e. how many of the other 15 head coaches have a deal with more surety than Ivan, for their players to mull on?

The answer is 3 coaches! Bellamy just extended to end 2021, Green to end 2021 and Robinson to end 2022, and those are all extensions from this season. So if you are a player wanting assurances of the coach beyond 2020, you currently have 3 choices.

How many coaches with even contracts as long as Ivans, to end of 2020? Just another 4 - Barrett (and he's leaving apparently), Garth Brennan, Brownie, Sticky. Hardly a list of success-guaranteed clubs.

All the other coaches unsigned beyond 2019 - Brad Arthur, Ciraldo, Bennett, Flanagan, Kearney, Mary, Dean Pay, Seibold.

In summary - Ivan has a contract length equal to or better than 12/15 = 80%.

Actually I’ve given this a lot of thought.

Since this latest challenge in the development of Wests Tigers presented itself I have been very restrained in my posts and thoughts. I’ve let it play out. I’ve reserved judgement.

So, after careful consideration I have formed the opinion that we need a long term coach to build our on-field success. We need someone with a vision to build our roster and brand thus attracting top line players. If you’ve read my posts over time you’ll know I value the importance of building a roster with top class players. For us to do this we need a long term coach - otherwise these players will not come.

I want Ivan to be that coach.

But if he wants to be with his son in 2021 or earlier - he is not what we need.

So, I may not agree with your thoughts and ideas but rest assured I have given it quite a lot of thought

 

[innsaneink]

…But above all this, how many coaches are actually contracted beyond 2020, i.e. how many of the other 15 head coaches have a deal with more surety than Ivan, for their players to mull on?
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The answer is 3 coaches! Bellamy just extended to end 2021, Green to end 2021 and Robinson to end 2022, and those are all extensions from this season. So if you are a player wanting assurances of the coach beyond 2020, you currently have 3 choices....

Thnx, thats where im comin from

They talked about this on NRL 360, more or less said the same thing, the club needs to go straight to Ivan and ask him to extend, if he declines, work out a settlement, because we will in affect have an interim coach.

Haha...the moment the club starts taking advice from Kent & co is the moment we die

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

I get what you're saying I think we could be less hesterical about it.

The same scenario with us could happen at souths with sebold maybe going to Brisbane because has family in Queensland.

But I think most people want a coach who wants to be here and Maguire could be that man and has the passion to not jump ship.

If we can get Maguire I'd be happy to let ivan go. If it's not Maguire I'm happy to hold ivan to his contract.

 

[jirskyr]

Actually I’ve given this a lot of thought.

Since this latest challenge in the development of Wests Tigers presented itself I have been very restrained in my posts and thoughts. I’ve let it play out. I’ve reserved judgement.

So, after careful consideration I have formed the opinion that we need a long term coach to build our on-field success. We need someone with a vision to build our roster and brand thus attracting top line players. If you’ve read my posts over time you’ll know I value the importance of building a roster with top class players. For us to do this we need a long term coach - otherwise these players will not come.

I want Ivan to be that coach.

But if he wants to be with his son in 2021 or earlier - he is not what we need.

So, I may not agree with your thoughts and ideas but rest assured I have given it quite a lot of thought

OK fair enough I may have stated my position a bit harshly.

I personally would not extend any coach beyond the current 2 years remaining without having first made the finals. Improvement is good, but Ivan should not be re-signed until we make the finals, and frankly we need to do it both of the remaining seasons that he has. I don't care if he has ambitions beyond 2020 - I am confident all head coaches have a similar sort of ambition, it just may not be in the public conscious.

E.g. Craig Bellamy has either had serious thoughts, several times now, about going to Broncos… or at least mentioning the Broncos to leverage more money out of Storm. He can do that because he's Craig Bellamy, but I reject the idea a coach has to want to be there long-term to be of any good, or will lack motivation if he has long-term plans. What we need is not a dreamer, we need a bloke to take us to the finals with some consistency, and if he leaves at some point, or we fire him, leaves the club in better shape than when he came.

I'd love a long-term coach to build on-field success, but the reality is that most coaches are not long-term. It's too cut-throat. Would love to sign a Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, because they are really the only coaches who have terms of the type you are speaking. Everyone else is 2-3 years at a time, then they roll over if success is not forthcoming.

And recalling that the last long-term coach we had won 1 comp and made 3 finals in 10 seasons - widely considered insufficient, and if not for the premiership, arguably laughable. Good bloke, good coach, smart operator, strong history of coaching... and lacked overall success for Tigers.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Actually I’ve given this a lot of thought.

Since this latest challenge in the development of Wests Tigers presented itself I have been very restrained in my posts and thoughts. I’ve let it play out. I’ve reserved judgement.

So, after careful consideration I have formed the opinion that we need a long term coach to build our on-field success. We need someone with a vision to build our roster and brand thus attracting top line players. If you’ve read my posts over time you’ll know I value the importance of building a roster with top class players. For us to do this we need a long term coach - otherwise these players will not come.

I want Ivan to be that coach.

But if he wants to be with his son in 2021 or earlier - he is not what we need.

So, I may not agree with your thoughts and ideas but rest assured I have given it quite a lot of thought

OK fair enough I may have stated my position a bit harshly.

I personally would not extend any coach beyond the current 2 years remaining without having first made the finals. Improvement is good, but Ivan should not be re-signed until we make the finals, and frankly we need to do it both of the remaining seasons that he has. I don't care if he has ambitions beyond 2020 - I am confident all head coaches have a similar sort of ambition, it just may not be in the public conscious.

E.g. Craig Bellamy has either had serious thoughts, several times now, about going to Broncos… or at least mentioning the Broncos to leverage more money out of Storm. He can do that because he's Craig Bellamy, but I reject the idea a coach has to want to be there long-term to be of any good, or will lack motivation if he has long-term plans. What we need is not a dreamer, we need a bloke to take us to the finals with some consistency, and if he leaves at some point, or we fire him, leaves the club in better shape than when he came.

I'd love a long-term coach to build on-field success, but the reality is that most coaches are not long-term. It's too cut-throat. Would love to sign a Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, because they are really the only coaches who have terms of the type you are speaking. Everyone else is 2-3 years at a time, then they roll over if success is not forthcoming.

And recalling that the last long-term coach we had won 1 comp and made 3 finals in 10 seasons - widely considered insufficient, and if not for the premiership, arguably laughable. Good bloke, good coach, smart operator, strong history of coaching... and lacked overall success for Tigers.

Totally agree with extending ivan contract

With sheens There's so many varibles

Clubs in a much strong position financially now and sheens may do a lot better now. For example there a lot more people to help with cap, recruitment and admin and he could focus on coaching.

What do you think about Mcguire. ?

 

[The_Queen]

Actually I’ve given this a lot of thought.

Since this latest challenge in the development of Wests Tigers presented itself I have been very restrained in my posts and thoughts. I’ve let it play out. I’ve reserved judgement.

So, after careful consideration I have formed the opinion that we need a long term coach to build our on-field success. We need someone with a vision to build our roster and brand thus attracting top line players. If you’ve read my posts over time you’ll know I value the importance of building a roster with top class players. For us to do this we need a long term coach - otherwise these players will not come.

I want Ivan to be that coach.

But if he wants to be with his son in 2021 or earlier - he is not what we need.

So, I may not agree with your thoughts and ideas but rest assured I have given it quite a lot of thought

OK fair enough I may have stated my position a bit harshly.

I personally would not extend any coach beyond the current 2 years remaining without having first made the finals. Improvement is good, but Ivan should not be re-signed until we make the finals, and frankly we need to do it both of the remaining seasons that he has. I don't care if he has ambitions beyond 2020 - I am confident all head coaches have a similar sort of ambition, it just may not be in the public conscious.

E.g. Craig Bellamy has either had serious thoughts, several times now, about going to Broncos… or at least mentioning the Broncos to leverage more money out of Storm. He can do that because he's Craig Bellamy, but I reject the idea a coach has to want to be there long-term to be of any good, or will lack motivation if he has long-term plans. What we need is not a dreamer, we need a bloke to take us to the finals with some consistency, and if he leaves at some point, or we fire him, leaves the club in better shape than when he came.

I'd love a long-term coach to build on-field success, but the reality is that most coaches are not long-term. It's too cut-throat. Would love to sign a Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, because they are really the only coaches who have terms of the type you are speaking. Everyone else is 2-3 years at a time, then they roll over if success is not forthcoming.

And recalling that the last long-term coach we had won 1 comp and made 3 finals in 10 seasons - widely considered insufficient, and if not for the premiership, arguably laughable. Good bloke, good coach, smart operator, strong history of coaching... and lacked overall success for Tigers.

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With Sheen's I think it's alittle unfair when you think of the best NRL Clubs year after year they spent the most money on player's they drive Ferraris and here at the Tigers we drive a Datsun 180B until they bring in a better and fair system you can pick right now 6 of the 8 who will be in the semi's right now for 2019

And next year I don't think the Roosters will struggle when they get Angus and made Marty added to the list of 30

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Actually I’ve given this a lot of thought.

Since this latest challenge in the development of Wests Tigers presented itself I have been very restrained in my posts and thoughts. I’ve let it play out. I’ve reserved judgement.

So, after careful consideration I have formed the opinion that we need a long term coach to build our on-field success. We need someone with a vision to build our roster and brand thus attracting top line players. If you’ve read my posts over time you’ll know I value the importance of building a roster with top class players. For us to do this we need a long term coach - otherwise these players will not come.

I want Ivan to be that coach.

But if he wants to be with his son in 2021 or earlier - he is not what we need.

So, I may not agree with your thoughts and ideas but rest assured I have given it quite a lot of thought

OK fair enough I may have stated my position a bit harshly.

I personally would not extend any coach beyond the current 2 years remaining without having first made the finals. Improvement is good, but Ivan should not be re-signed until we make the finals, and frankly we need to do it both of the remaining seasons that he has. I don't care if he has ambitions beyond 2020 - I am confident all head coaches have a similar sort of ambition, it just may not be in the public conscious.

E.g. Craig Bellamy has either had serious thoughts, several times now, about going to Broncos… or at least mentioning the Broncos to leverage more money out of Storm. He can do that because he's Craig Bellamy, but I reject the idea a coach has to want to be there long-term to be of any good, or will lack motivation if he has long-term plans. What we need is not a dreamer, we need a bloke to take us to the finals with some consistency, and if he leaves at some point, or we fire him, leaves the club in better shape than when he came.

I'd love a long-term coach to build on-field success, but the reality is that most coaches are not long-term. It's too cut-throat. Would love to sign a Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett, because they are really the only coaches who have terms of the type you are speaking. Everyone else is 2-3 years at a time, then they roll over if success is not forthcoming.

And recalling that the last long-term coach we had won 1 comp and made 3 finals in 10 seasons - widely considered insufficient, and if not for the premiership, arguably laughable. Good bloke, good coach, smart operator, strong history of coaching... and lacked overall success for Tigers.

Yep - get what you’re saying.

Agree that we must make the 8 next year. Nothing else comes close to a pass.

Agree that the coaching world is tumultuous.

But we need stability to attract personnel. Cleary and Pascoe seemingly were like minded and I bought into the package - together they would rebuild our club. Now I’m not so sure.

I don’t want to discover we’re not attracting talent because our coaching staff is not settled. Or that current players are not putting in because the coach they believed in is heading west (literally!!).

Look at this weeks teams: Easts, Sharks and Storm have coaching stability. Souths are the anomaly.

Just my opinion, that’s all.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

I’m so over this s***. We have an awesome halfback - re-sign him to a long deal. Fix the roster and get some decent bloody players. **Extend Ivan or piss him off.** One or the other. Oh and Justin, don’t go on holidays until this is all done!

I dont get this mindset…I know all the talk and theories around it, players wont come, his heart wont be in it blah blah...i think thats rubbish myself, he will go eventually one way or the other just let him continue to do what hes building.
he doesnt deserve an extension (that hes unlikley to agree to anyway) yet and he doesnt deserve the arse

Mate I’ve had a few beers!!

BUT I think we need long term commitment to encourage good players and build our squad. If Ivan is going to Penrith in 2021, Go now. Find a coach who will not just talk about being on the bus but will actually do it. I’d prefer Ican to be that man, so extend him. If he won’t commit- bye bye!

Honestly don't think you've given this much thought.

Cleary has 2 full seasons to run on his contract, to end 2020\. We are all aware. Is that not enough to entice new players over? Some might only be signed for 2 seasons anyway, and there's currently no guarantee that Ivan stays or goes in 2021\. Does anyone really think Penrith will for sure sign Ivan now for 2021 if Tigers continue to fail to make any impact on the finals the next 2 years? They gave him the flick once and he hasn't got a team to the finals since - hardly a stellar track record, and they gave him the flick for a reason.

But above all this, how many coaches are actually contracted beyond 2020, i.e. how many of the other 15 head coaches have a deal with more surety than Ivan, for their players to mull on?

The answer is 3 coaches! Bellamy just extended to end 2021, Green to end 2021 and Robinson to end 2022, and those are all extensions from this season. So if you are a player wanting assurances of the coach beyond 2020, you currently have 3 choices.

How many coaches with even contracts as long as Ivans, to end of 2020? Just another 4 - Barrett (and he's leaving apparently), Garth Brennan, Brownie, Sticky. Hardly a list of success-guaranteed clubs.

All the other coaches unsigned beyond 2019 - Brad Arthur, Ciraldo, Bennett, Flanagan, Kearney, Mary, Dean Pay, Seibold.

In summary - Ivan has a contract length equal to or better than 12/15 = 80%.

Exactly ….. as I said on another thread, there is no guarantee that we still want him when his contract is up. Three years with one coach is enough. You need new ideas and approach.
Proof is Sheens who overstayed his welcome and use by date.
So all this long term extension is just rubbish as far as I am concerned.

 

[supercoach]

So we extend Ivan so he is at Concord for 5 years, than next year the bus blows a head gasket and we get the spoon…what happens than??? Ivan gets dumped and we pay out a few million in compo.

Like players, coaches are replaceable. Let’s se how we are going in 12 months time and than we can start having a chat with Ivan or who ever about 2021 season and beyond

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Yep, premature to extend before even making the finals.

2 years is a long time. Hypothetically speaking we could be pushing for a premiership in two years time. No guarantees Penrith will, what does Ivan want more, to coach his son or be a premiership winning coach?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If we miss the finals again next year, questions will be asked. You can only blame the roster so long when you are the one assembling it.

 

[Donald_Trump]

It’s like my brother who said he always thought he’d get divorced just never thought it would happen this quick.

Cleary is planning on leaving. We want someone who we know is going to stay and more importantly, wants to stay.

Get rid of Cleary now.

Mmmmm

 

[WT2K]

So we extend Ivan so he is at Concord for 5 years, than next year the bus blows a head gasket and we get the spoon…what happens than??? Ivan gets dumped and we pay out a few million in compo.

Like players, coaches are replaceable. Let’s se how we are going in 12 months time and than we can start having a chat with Ivan or who ever about 2021 season and beyond

Agree. Bit early to be talking about extending IC.

 

[Donald_Trump]

Yep, premature to extend before even making the finals.

2 years is a long time. Hypothetically speaking we could be pushing for a premiership in two years time. No guarantees Penrith will, what does Ivan want more, to coach his son or be a premiership winning coach?

Coach his son Bogan

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Yep, premature to extend before even making the finals.

2 years is a long time. Hypothetically speaking we could be pushing for a premiership in two years time. No guarantees Penrith will, what does Ivan want more, to coach his son or be a premiership winning coach?

Coach his son Bogan

I'm not so sure about that.