Nathan Cleary

[greatodensraven]

Maybe thats why Nathan didn't sign, wasn't sure if his dad would be with us next year?

 

[851]

Half the clubs in the comps coaches are off contract after next year…. Hardly'completely settled'

Cheer up.... It's not as bad as you make out

I'm not upset that Cleary didn't sign Ink , we could fix our weaknesses up if we knew what the coaching situation was …...

Ivan's coach for next two years last I heard

Maybe , but how many times have the Broncos and Bennett confirmed he will only be coaching until the end of 2019

4 times …...maybe more

We need some confirmation , the lack of it means everyone is on holidays or something else is on the table

Time will tell .....

I am with you all the way Happy, Cleary and his 30 second scripted response with no questions answered, and still no questions answered some 6 weeks later, created more media talk than no comment would have.
The Bronco's have shown us how to handle it, front foot, not sit in the corner and hope it will go away

 

[Geo]

I agree 100%, the coaching situation is hindering our recruitment, Ivan should see this and make some kind of statement in regards to his WestsTigers future ASAP, the fans would appreciate it, and the media can find another story to chase then.

X100

You literally have zero concrete evidence to support the suggestion that recruitment is being hindered. We literally just signed two players in the last 4 weeks, one of them a very good prospect.

And if you heel to the media every time they generate a story you don't like, then it becomes the tail that wags the dog. No.

You do realise that Cleary did make a statement about his future, and guess what, the story is still around. How many statements does he need to make to bury it?

This definitely can’t be true

The mess at Wests Tigers has cost the club the prized signature of match-winning Cronulla hooker James Segeyaro.

I’m hearing that Segeyaro was all set to sign with the Tigers a couple of weeks ago - and would have been a great recruit for the club.

But the uncertainty over the future of coach Ivan Cleary at the time saw Segeyaro’s management baulk at the prospect of joining the club.

The Sharks star is now tossing up between the Bulldogs and the Knights, with Cronulla unlikely to keep him.

Other players have also doubtless taken a similar approach to Segayaro, steering clear of the Tigers.

Cleary has committed to the club for next season, but the way rugby league works, he could still end up at the Panthers.

And if he is not at Penrith in 2019, he will almost certainly be there in 2020.

I would think the Re-signing of Robbie Farah ended the interest in Segy myself..

You can believe the Lurker tho if you wish…

 

[Newtown]

If, as the Lurker describes Segeyaro a prized signing, Segeyaro is having problems finding a club?

 

[TIGERPOWER]

X100

You literally have zero concrete evidence to support the suggestion that recruitment is being hindered. We literally just signed two players in the last 4 weeks, one of them a very good prospect.

And if you heel to the media every time they generate a story you don't like, then it becomes the tail that wags the dog. No.

You do realise that Cleary did make a statement about his future, and guess what, the story is still around. How many statements does he need to make to bury it?

This definitely can’t be true

The mess at Wests Tigers has cost the club the prized signature of match-winning Cronulla hooker James Segeyaro.

I’m hearing that Segeyaro was all set to sign with the Tigers a couple of weeks ago - and would have been a great recruit for the club.

But the uncertainty over the future of coach Ivan Cleary at the time saw Segeyaro’s management baulk at the prospect of joining the club.

The Sharks star is now tossing up between the Bulldogs and the Knights, with Cronulla unlikely to keep him.

Other players have also doubtless taken a similar approach to Segayaro, steering clear of the Tigers.

Cleary has committed to the club for next season, but the way rugby league works, he could still end up at the Panthers.

And if he is not at Penrith in 2019, he will almost certainly be there in 2020.

I would think the Re-signing of Robbie Farah ended the interest in Segy myself..

You can believe the Lurker tho if you wish…

It’s not about believing it’s about the fact this is destabilising our club and will continue to do so until it’s shot down. The media is not letting this go and it’s all of them not just one or two. Anyone who thinks that players don’t read up on these things is living with the fairies.

 

[Nelson]

If, as the Lurker describes Segeyaro a prized signing, Segeyaro is having problems finding a club?

I doubt he is. Knights, Parra and Dogs could all use him. Knights will probably get him now that they've decided not to pursue Isaac Luke.

 

[newtiger]

Now that Nathan’s future is secure at Penrith for many years do you think we should we look at Jerome Luai? Pretty exciting prospect with Xfactor, stuck behind the more established spine players at the Panthers. Can play a few positions and would come fairly cheap. I think he would a great pick up for us - what do others think?

The Panthers dont lose players like Jerome Luai.

Just because they are in reserve grade doesnt mean they arent important to the franchise.

by The Patriot » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 8:10 pm

The Broncos dont lose players like Katoni Staggs.

Just because they are in reserve grade doesnt mean they arent important to the franchise.

Bit of plagiarism bathurst tiger or dual personality maybe?

Thank you. I thought i was losing my mind.

Too late.
:roll

 

[GNR4LIFE]

In regards to the Segeyaro rumour. I wouldn't think we would have offered him more than 2 years, so why should he care who the coach will be in 2021 when he might not even be here himself? Doesn't make sense.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

In regards to the Segeyaro rumour. I wouldn't think we would have offered him more than 2 years, so why should he care who the coach will be in 2021 when he might not even be here himself? Doesn't make sense.

So your making a counter argument based on your assumption that 1) we offered him a contract and 2) it was only for 2 years. But you don’t know and just guessing. Doesn’t make sense.

 

[Nelson]

In regards to the Segeyaro rumour. I wouldn't think we would have offered him more than 2 years, so why should he care who the coach will be in 2021 when he might not even be here himself? Doesn't make sense.

Well he might care about who the coach will be in 2019 and 2020 and there are some in the media (Brent Read for example) making comments along the lines of "I'll be shocked if Ivan Cleary is coach of the Tigers in 2019". That would be enough to spook some.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

In regards to the Segeyaro rumour. I wouldn't think we would have offered him more than 2 years, so why should he care who the coach will be in 2021 when he might not even be here himself? Doesn't make sense.

Well he might care about who the coach will be in 2019 and 2020 and there are some in the media (Brent Read for example) making comments along the lines of "I'll be shocked if Ivan Cleary is coach of the Tigers in 2019". That would be enough to spook some.

Didn't spook Matterson. And he isn't a player who wouldn't have had other options.

Segeyaro wasn't needed anyway.

 

[jirskyr]

You literally have zero concrete evidence to support the suggestion that recruitment is being hindered. We literally just signed two players in the last 4 weeks, one of them a very good prospect.

And if you heel to the media every time they generate a story you don't like, then it becomes the tail that wags the dog. No.

You do realise that Cleary did make a statement about his future, and guess what, the story is still around. How many statements does he need to make to bury it?

This definitely can’t be true

The mess at Wests Tigers has cost the club the prized signature of match-winning Cronulla hooker James Segeyaro.

I’m hearing that Segeyaro was all set to sign with the Tigers a couple of weeks ago - and would have been a great recruit for the club.

But the uncertainty over the future of coach Ivan Cleary at the time saw Segeyaro’s management baulk at the prospect of joining the club.

The Sharks star is now tossing up between the Bulldogs and the Knights, with Cronulla unlikely to keep him.

Other players have also doubtless taken a similar approach to Segayaro, steering clear of the Tigers.

Cleary has committed to the club for next season, but the way rugby league works, he could still end up at the Panthers.

And if he is not at Penrith in 2019, he will almost certainly be there in 2020.

I would think the Re-signing of Robbie Farah ended the interest in Segy myself..

You can believe the Lurker tho if you wish…

It’s not about believing it’s about the fact this is destabilising our club and will continue to do so until it’s shot down. The media is not letting this go and it’s all of them not just one or two. Anyone who thinks that players don’t read up on these things is living with the fairies.

Not a fact bro. No factual evidence of club destabilisation. Rumour-mongering yes, but facts, no.

And anyway, Segeyaro is hardly the player to be leaning on if you wanted a straight story, the bloke has a chequered history wrt off-field goings on and contract agreements. Now is that a fact, or more innuendo?

Regardless, Ivan Cleary making a public statement, you would think, should have nothing to do with the potential signature of Segeyaro or other player. Consider yourself to be the player, negotiating with the club. You ask them, is this media speculation true, that you might leave the club? Coach says "no mate, I'm seeing out my contract". And what, you don't believe him because The Mole and The Lurker posted some contrary rumours last week? Fair dinkum, you go to the source and ask the people themselves.

Living with the fairies is thinking players take the media at face value and don't investigate the truth for themselves, or don't already know the truth from connections within the game.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

This definitely can’t be true

The mess at Wests Tigers has cost the club the prized signature of match-winning Cronulla hooker James Segeyaro.

I’m hearing that Segeyaro was all set to sign with the Tigers a couple of weeks ago - and would have been a great recruit for the club.

But the uncertainty over the future of coach Ivan Cleary at the time saw Segeyaro’s management baulk at the prospect of joining the club.

The Sharks star is now tossing up between the Bulldogs and the Knights, with Cronulla unlikely to keep him.

Other players have also doubtless taken a similar approach to Segayaro, steering clear of the Tigers.

Cleary has committed to the club for next season, but the way rugby league works, he could still end up at the Panthers.

And if he is not at Penrith in 2019, he will almost certainly be there in 2020.

I would think the Re-signing of Robbie Farah ended the interest in Segy myself..

You can believe the Lurker tho if you wish…

It’s not about believing it’s about the fact this is destabilising our club and will continue to do so until it’s shot down. The media is not letting this go and it’s all of them not just one or two. Anyone who thinks that players don’t read up on these things is living with the fairies.

Not a fact bro. No factual evidence of club destabilisation. Rumour-mongering yes, but facts, no.

And anyway, Segeyaro is hardly the player to be leaning on if you wanted a straight story, the bloke has a chequered history wrt off-field goings on and contract agreements. Now is that a fact, or more innuendo?

Regardless, Ivan Cleary making a public statement, you would think, should have nothing to do with the potential signature of Segeyaro or other player. Consider yourself to be the player, negotiating with the club. You ask them, is this media speculation true, that you might leave the club? Coach says "no mate, I'm seeing out my contract". And what, you don't believe him because The Mole and The Lurker posted some contrary rumours last week? Fair dinkum, you go to the source and ask the people themselves.

Living with the fairies is thinking players take the media at face value and don't investigate the truth for themselves, or don't already know the truth from connections within the game.

No point in going round in circles. You think this has no affect on the tigers and I think this has great affect on us. Almost every media organisation is running with this Ivan story and who will coach us next year or the year after ….. I think this is detrimental to our brand and to our recruitment. It is creating instability and once again putting us in the news for all the wrong reasons. It won’t stop now and it won’t stop next year. I’m happy to cut our losses and move to McGuire or the storm assistant for next year. You think otherwise and that’s up to you. No right or wrong in this messy situation.

 

[The_Patriot]

I would think the Re-signing of Robbie Farah ended the interest in Segy myself..

You can believe the Lurker tho if you wish…

It’s not about believing it’s about the fact this is destabilising our club and will continue to do so until it’s shot down. The media is not letting this go and it’s all of them not just one or two. Anyone who thinks that players don’t read up on these things is living with the fairies.

Not a fact bro. No factual evidence of club destabilisation. Rumour-mongering yes, but facts, no.

And anyway, Segeyaro is hardly the player to be leaning on if you wanted a straight story, the bloke has a chequered history wrt off-field goings on and contract agreements. Now is that a fact, or more innuendo?

Regardless, Ivan Cleary making a public statement, you would think, should have nothing to do with the potential signature of Segeyaro or other player. Consider yourself to be the player, negotiating with the club. You ask them, is this media speculation true, that you might leave the club? Coach says "no mate, I'm seeing out my contract". And what, you don't believe him because The Mole and The Lurker posted some contrary rumours last week? Fair dinkum, you go to the source and ask the people themselves.

Living with the fairies is thinking players take the media at face value and don't investigate the truth for themselves, or don't already know the truth from connections within the game.

No point in going round in circles. You think this has no affect on the tigers and I think this has great affect on us. Almost every media organisation is running with this Ivan story and who will coach us next year or the year after ….. I think this is detrimental to our brand and to our recruitment. It is creating instability and once again putting us in the news for all the wrong reasons. It won’t stop now and it won’t stop next year. I’m happy to cut our losses and move to McGuire or the storm assistant for next year. You think otherwise and that’s up to you. No right or wrong in this messy situation.

Well said.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I would think the Re-signing of Robbie Farah ended the interest in Segy myself..

You can believe the Lurker tho if you wish…

It’s not about believing it’s about the fact this is destabilising our club and will continue to do so until it’s shot down. The media is not letting this go and it’s all of them not just one or two. Anyone who thinks that players don’t read up on these things is living with the fairies.

Not a fact bro. No factual evidence of club destabilisation. Rumour-mongering yes, but facts, no.

And anyway, Segeyaro is hardly the player to be leaning on if you wanted a straight story, the bloke has a chequered history wrt off-field goings on and contract agreements. Now is that a fact, or more innuendo?

Regardless, Ivan Cleary making a public statement, you would think, should have nothing to do with the potential signature of Segeyaro or other player. Consider yourself to be the player, negotiating with the club. You ask them, is this media speculation true, that you might leave the club? Coach says "no mate, I'm seeing out my contract". And what, you don't believe him because The Mole and The Lurker posted some contrary rumours last week? Fair dinkum, you go to the source and ask the people themselves.

Living with the fairies is thinking players take the media at face value and don't investigate the truth for themselves, or don't already know the truth from connections within the game.

No point in going round in circles. You think this has no affect on the tigers and I think this has great affect on us. Almost every media organisation is running with this Ivan story and who will coach us next year or the year after ….. I think this is detrimental to our brand and to our recruitment. It is creating instability and once again putting us in the news for all the wrong reasons. It won’t stop now and it won’t stop next year. I’m happy to cut our losses and move to McGuire or the storm assistant for next year. You think otherwise and that’s up to you. No right or wrong in this messy situation.

Good stuff! Perception becomes reality unless you change the perception. The rugby league world perceives that Ivan is not being totally up front. This would be affecting us either retaining or recruiting. Needs to end one way or another

 

[Needaname]

Just curious, how many times have these multiple media stories been published involving Ivan speculation?
What are the numbers? I’m curious if it less or more than 1% of number of times it’s been brought up on this forum.
The mind is a powerful tool and you guys have been incepted! The media have infiltrated your mind and planted this seed of doubt or belief (depending on which way you view it from) and resulting from that has lead everyone to this firm belief that there is a story out there.
The more it gets regurgitated the more it becomes a reality.
Ivan Cleary has made a choice, or hasn’t.
The fact of the matter is it is the offseason for the tigers and we will know what is going to happy when preseason starts.
We will not start preseason with a coach still negotiating an exit that same year.
We have 2 spots left!
How much more recruiting do we need to do?
Maybe Ivan is creating this whole feeling of uncertainty so players like Robbie Rochow and Chris McQueen will want to leave the club as their not sure about who is going to be the coach next year.
Be patient, it’s a game of chess.
Can someone wake me up when there is news?
(I just realised I’m posting this on the Nathan Cleary thread I guess I got side tracked from the debate) Can someone move this comment to a relevant thread.

 

[tigerap]

So happy he has signed with Penrith….watch Nathan Cleary become the Brent Sherwin of Penrith...

Your quote is interesting 5 yr deals seldom work.

Haha yeah that was one of my first thoughts too…add to that the possibility of dad joing him later (or sooner) ...who knows how that could work out?

Dad will protect son from any adversity, possibly to the detriment of both of them in the long run…...

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I would think the Re-signing of Robbie Farah ended the interest in Segy myself..

You can believe the Lurker tho if you wish…

It’s not about believing it’s about the fact this is destabilising our club and will continue to do so until it’s shot down. The media is not letting this go and it’s all of them not just one or two. Anyone who thinks that players don’t read up on these things is living with the fairies.

Not a fact bro. No factual evidence of club destabilisation. Rumour-mongering yes, but facts, no.

And anyway, Segeyaro is hardly the player to be leaning on if you wanted a straight story, the bloke has a chequered history wrt off-field goings on and contract agreements. Now is that a fact, or more innuendo?

Regardless, Ivan Cleary making a public statement, you would think, should have nothing to do with the potential signature of Segeyaro or other player. Consider yourself to be the player, negotiating with the club. You ask them, is this media speculation true, that you might leave the club? Coach says "no mate, I'm seeing out my contract". And what, you don't believe him because The Mole and The Lurker posted some contrary rumours last week? Fair dinkum, you go to the source and ask the people themselves.

Living with the fairies is thinking players take the media at face value and don't investigate the truth for themselves, or don't already know the truth from connections within the game.

No point in going round in circles. You think this has no affect on the tigers and I think this has great affect on us. Almost every media organisation is running with this Ivan story and who will coach us next year or the year after ….. I think this is detrimental to our brand and to our recruitment. It is creating instability and once again putting us in the news for all the wrong reasons. It won’t stop now and it won’t stop next year. I’m happy to cut our losses and move to McGuire or the storm assistant for next year. You think otherwise and that’s up to you. No right or wrong in this messy situation.

The only fact we have on recruitment is that we signed Ryan Matterson. A player who would have had lots of options. So idk, how you can say it’s detremental to our recruitment. It may be your opinion, but that’s all it is. And it flies in the face of the Matterson signing, which was announced well after things blew up.

What carries more weight. A Segeyaro rumour, or a factual Matterson signing?

 

[gallagher]

It’s not about believing it’s about the fact this is destabilising our club and will continue to do so until it’s shot down. The media is not letting this go and it’s all of them not just one or two. Anyone who thinks that players don’t read up on these things is living with the fairies.

Not a fact bro. No factual evidence of club destabilisation. Rumour-mongering yes, but facts, no.

And anyway, Segeyaro is hardly the player to be leaning on if you wanted a straight story, the bloke has a chequered history wrt off-field goings on and contract agreements. Now is that a fact, or more innuendo?

Regardless, Ivan Cleary making a public statement, you would think, should have nothing to do with the potential signature of Segeyaro or other player. Consider yourself to be the player, negotiating with the club. You ask them, is this media speculation true, that you might leave the club? Coach says "no mate, I'm seeing out my contract". And what, you don't believe him because The Mole and The Lurker posted some contrary rumours last week? Fair dinkum, you go to the source and ask the people themselves.

Living with the fairies is thinking players take the media at face value and don't investigate the truth for themselves, or don't already know the truth from connections within the game.

No point in going round in circles. You think this has no affect on the tigers and I think this has great affect on us. Almost every media organisation is running with this Ivan story and who will coach us next year or the year after ….. I think this is detrimental to our brand and to our recruitment. It is creating instability and once again putting us in the news for all the wrong reasons. It won’t stop now and it won’t stop next year. I’m happy to cut our losses and move to McGuire or the storm assistant for next year. You think otherwise and that’s up to you. No right or wrong in this messy situation.

Good stuff! Perception becomes reality unless you change the perception. The rugby league world perceives that Ivan is not being totally up front. This would be affecting us either retaining or recruiting. Needs to end one way or another

Yep, the perception is out there. We are an unattractive club to start with and when you add the uncertianty of the coaching situation it only makes recruiting harder. Pascoe hopefully isnt just playing the waiting game.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Actually , most of the media seem to have accepted that he’s not going anywhere until his contract will be honoured, and there’s bugger all destabilising going at all
Some of us are jumping at shadows, and others are running with any rumours that some bored
person, comes up with.
Ivan’s not going to do or say anything to set the rumourmongers off again and is now probably tied up with more important things, like preparing for next season, after having a well earned holiday..
I’ll believe hes going when and if he says so.

Until then, why bite your fingernails off worrying about something that, most likely won’t happen ,
And, if it did, it’s something that we have no control over,
Chill out guys and enjoy watching the Roosters demolish the Melbourne rubbish