New Stadium Out West

[AngryEmu]

One thing i don't get is why so many people are opposed to this. Theres a chance that we could get a new stadium in one of our heartlands and all people do is find reasons why it shouldn't be built, instead of getting behind it. I cannot for the life of me comprehend why

I guess I'm just being realistic about the chances of getting a stadium down there. I would love to have our own purpose built fortress in one of our heartlands but I doubt it would happen.

The government should be looking at a good ROI for their spend. I just don't see that if the ground is not able to be used for 40 odd weeks of the year.

 

[Yossarian]

One thing i don't get is why so many people are opposed to this. Theres a chance that we could get a new stadium in one of our heartlands and all people do is find reasons why it shouldn't be built, instead of getting behind it. I cannot for the life of me comprehend why

It's not so much that people are opposed to having a big stadium at Campbo but the likelihood of it happening. Personally I just don't see the state govt buidling a 40,000 seater there.

 

[system]

One thing i don't get is why so many people are opposed to this. Theres a chance that we could get a new stadium in one of our heartlands and all people do is find reasons why it shouldn't be built, instead of getting behind it. I cannot for the life of me comprehend why

I am oposed to wasting revenue on building any stadium anywhere when we have public transport and health systems falling way behind. Not to mention the terrible wages emergency service personel receive for their vital work.

I used to think a stadium in the Liverpool area might be a good idea but realistically we need to give it 10 years. Then the NRL will have a warchest to start partial to full funding of new stadium projects or stadium upgrades as deemed fit.

In relation to the things I have mentionesd any new stadium is an absolute nonsense.

That is where my objection lays

 

[Nate_DAWG]

One thing i don't get is why so many people are opposed to this. Theres a chance that we could get a new stadium in one of our heartlands and all people do is find reasons why it shouldn't be built, instead of getting behind it. I cannot for the life of me comprehend why

I am oposed to wasting revenue on building any stadium anywhere when we have public transport and health systems falling way behind. Not to mention the terrible wages emergency service personel receive for their vital work.

I used to think a stadium in the Liverpool area might be a good idea but realistically we need to give it 10 years. Then the NRL will have a warchest to start partial to full funding of new stadium projects or stadium upgrades as deemed fit.

In relation to the things I have mentionesd any new stadium is an absolute nonsense.

That is where my objection lays

Totally agree with you in realtion to government spending priorities but if they have announced that they are going to fund the building/redvelopment of a stadium in either the west or south west, I would rather it go to the Tigers instead of Gus Gould.

 

[Staks]

Looks like Campbelltown Council is planning to have a dig also.

http://www.campbelltown.nsw.gov.au/Assets/5204/3/CSAgenda130219.pdf
Amendment (Lake/Brticevic)
1\. That the information be noted.
2\. That Council prepare a comprehensive submission to the State Government seeking
to upgrade the Campbelltown Sports Stadium to meet the requirements for a 40,000
seat stadium.
Council Resolution Minute Number 16
That the above amendment be adopted.

 

[innsaneink]

Those opting for Parra, do you know where it is in relation to ANZ?

I doubt it.


 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

If a new stadium is built it needs to be rectangular. Stuff the AFL they have enough places to play.

I have said all along a modern 30,000 -40,000 seat stadium should be built in Liverpool. We would move there full time and so will the dogs. It is also in heart land area for soccer and I imagine that the Western Sydney side will move there as well (can't see them not wanting to be in a new bigger stadium closer to many of there fans than Parramatta is) . Some socceroos games would also be plated there as well as the next Asian Cup in soccer.

I think Parramatta may play some home games there against the Dogs and Tigers.

We should get together with the soccer side and the dogs and lobby very hard for Liverpool. I for one don't want to end up playing home games at Parramatta. We have one of the largest average crowds in Sydney we need to lobby the state government very hard.

 

[Craegus]

Even though many will disagree, Campbelltown is the logical location for a new stadium, here is a comparison between Campbelltown and Parramatta.

Access by road:

Campbelltown: Ease of access by road - Major highway minutes from location, small upgrade to local roads would improve access even more.

Parramatta: Access by road issues - Even though the M4 is located close by, it is one of the most conjested motorways in Sydney, added to that Parramatta Road and Woodville Road are car parks most of the time.

Access by public transport:

Campbelltown: Majority of the rail network can access Campbelltown without changing trains (Liverpool/Granville and East Hills/Airport lines), for major events Bankstown and Western lines could also have direct access as the infrastructure is alread in place)

Parramatta: Not all areas can access, Campbelltown can however anyone on the Bankstown or East Hills/Airport lines would be required to change trains.

Growth area:

Campbelltown: Is located in a large growth area, which will continue to grow over the next 50+ years, as such there will be an increase in youth in the area and a major stadium would be beneficial to the region.

Parramatta: Already near capacity, though areas around Penrith and Blacktown are growing Parramatta is not the hub of this growth. As such Penrith or Blacktown would be more suitable for stadium.

Existing stadiums in region:

Campbelltown: Local stadium, no large sporting arenas within 30 minutes of area by road or public transport.

Parramatta: Local stadium, large 80,000 seat multi purpose stadium and 25,000 seat oval stadium within 10 minutes of location by both road and public transport.

Other options: Blacktown/Penrith - Though in high growth areas, access to the area is not easy compared to the other two major options, major upgrades to transport and roads may be required.

Though Campbelltown may not be of use as a stadium for multiple teams (Tigers and Wanderers would be most likely tennents) the ability of Olympic park to be utilised by Parramatta and the Bulldogs mean that it is more suited to them. But the simple fact that Campbelltown is in a region that will have some of the largest growth in the near future plus being idealy located in comparison to other major sporting grounds it seems to be the option (though I believe that either Parramatta or Blacktown would be the frontrunners at the moment).

But that is just my opinion.

 

[Yossarian]

Is Blacktown really that much of a problem re transport access? The stadium area (actually in Rooty Hill I think) is close to the M7 and train lines. I appreciate your arguments Creagus but I think you're correct when you say Parramatta and Blacktown are in front. I think an upgraded Parramatta would be the favourite at this stage.

 

[Craegus]

Is Blacktown really that much of a problem re transport access? The stadium area (actually in Rooty Hill I think) is close to the M7 and train lines.

By road probably not too bad, but for Liverpool and East Hills train line residents yes it is, especially at night, it would mean changing trains at least once (for those who live along the Liverpool line, and twice for those on the East Hills line. Even if they added direct trains along the Liverpool line the East Hills people would still have to change at quite late hours (which isn't good for those with families). And also the time it takes to travel and the fact there isn't a station just across the street.

 

[system]

I think those same problems occur in reverse for Campbelltown as far as residents on other lines with families having to change trains though.

But again I am against any new stadium construction which is surplus to any needs

 

[Yossarian]

Is Blacktown really that much of a problem re transport access? The stadium area (actually in Rooty Hill I think) is close to the M7 and train lines.

By road probably not too bad, but for Liverpool and East Hills train line residents yes it is, especially at night, it would mean changing trains at least once (for those who live along the Liverpool line, and twice for those on the East Hills line. Even if they added direct trains along the Liverpool line the East Hills people would still have to change at quite late hours (which isn't good for those with families). And also the time it takes to travel and the fact there isn't a station just across the street.

Judging from the plans for the stadium released at the time of the Soccer WC bid the stadium would only be about 250m or so from Rooty Hill Station. The train thing is a hassle but then again as Smeg says you have similar issues at Cambo. In any event I think Parra is the firm favourite. They could do that in stages…

 

[cktiger]

As an old Balmain supporter I'd hate to see Leichhardt go - but if it did ( for a purpose built stadium that could be shared) then Liverpool is the logical choice.
The Bulldogs had the right idea but were too dodgy in their dealings (as usual).

 

[Craegus]

Judging from the plans for the stadium released at the time of the Soccer WC bid the stadium would only be about 250m or so from Rooty Hill Station. The train thing is a hassle but then again as Smeg says you have similar issues at Cambo. In any event I think Parra is the firm favourite. They could do that in stages…

Ok well I hadn't seen that, I just know that the sports complex out there is around a 20 minute walk currently. As far as Campbelltown goes I know it isn't the perfect solution but when it is serviced by 2 of the major train lines which cover a larger area than the line that runs out to Parramatta and Blacktown.

But it is all just each persons opinion, I just think that Parramatta is a silly idea with Olympic Park down the road, and Blacktown is not a great fit for a large stadium, plus that if either of those locations receive a big stadium, the M4/Greater Western Highway corridor gains another major location (I'm including the new water park at Eastern Creek) to an already congested traffic area that will not have imporvements for at least another 10 years, and the South West which has and currently is receiving infrastructure (road and rail) improvements is ignored again, even though it will be capable of accomodating something.

 

[Cosimo_Zaretti]

For the AFL to get any use out of it the ground would have to be an oval, thus rendering it utterly terrible for viewing RL or Soccer

Unless you make the seating movable so the venue can expand and contract depending on the playing surface required. It works well for ANZ, they can widen it out for an AFL game then tighten it up for an A league match.

 

[Yossarian]

For the AFL to get any use out of it the ground would have to be an oval, thus rendering it utterly terrible for viewing RL or Soccer

Unless you make the seating movable so the venue can expand and contract depending on the playing surface required. It works well for ANZ, they can widen it out for an AFL game then tighten it up for an A league match.

You reckon ANZ is a good ground for watching league/soccer? It's terrible! Those things are okay but really you just get a ground that's not quite suitable for rectangle-field sports nor big oval sports like cricket/Aussie rules.

 

[Juro]

For the AFL to get any use out of it the ground would have to be an oval, thus rendering it utterly terrible for viewing RL or Soccer

Unless you make the seating movable so the venue can expand and contract depending on the playing surface required. It works well for ANZ, they can widen it out for an AFL game then tighten it up for an A league match.

You reckon ANZ is a good ground for watching league/soccer? It's terrible! Those things are okay but really you just get a ground that's not quite suitable for rectangle-field sports nor big oval sports like cricket/Aussie rules.

I concur

 

[happy_tiger]

No use having a new stadium when the side is performing like it is and no one shows up anyway

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

I can tell you one thing.
If we keep playing like this then we can forget about a 'stadium'.
Victories create the culture - but so does losing.
I prefer the former.