Nick Cotric - Thread

[jirskyr]

I haven't seen anything to make me think Cotric is a centre. I just don't think he has the natural footballing ability - to pass, or to be consistently evasive, or to run quality lines.. For me, he's a natural pig winger and totally capable of being one of the best in the comp - brute power, some decent speed, not afraid of the collision. That's what got him into Origin.

 

[Demps]

I haven't seen anything to make me think Cotric is a centre. I just don't think he has the natural footballing ability - to pass, or to be consistently evasive, or to run quality lines.. For me, he's a natural pig winger and totally capable of being one of the best in the comp - brute power, some decent speed, not afraid of the collision. That's what got him into Origin.

Has a bit of Mansour to his game.
Definitely a winger...

Can MAYBE transition to a Konrad like centre.
Definitely has the ability and talent.

 

[voice_of_reason]

I don’t get where this obsession with Noffa comes from. I get people don’t like him, that’s their prerogative, but there has been zero indication that he’s being shopped around.

Obsession describes it perfectly. People are disturbed he's on good money despite signing when at the top of his game. I'd guess even Nofo would concede 2021 wasn't his best year but I think he was still top try scorer and featured regularly in the top metre, post contact metre and tackle break metrics.

Defensively you have to remember he was parked outside AD, JTJ, Joey and LL for most of the season - all of whom have been crucified for their poor defensive reads and missed tackles.

When playing at his best Nofo is a SOO level player. All we need is the coach to get him playing at his best and he'll be considered a bargain. Maybe we need Ted Lasso.

I'd be happy to see Cotric in the centres, but again it will require someone to get him back to his best.

 

[twentyforty]

Is Cotric injured? Why isnt he at training today?

 

[HowDugWT]

I'm pretty sure I've heard Douehi mention he does a Uni Course with Cotric, might be a factor in him coming across.

Cotric and Douehi are very close.
Its all about connections even in League

 

[426Tlgerland]

What about cotric on Nofo wing and nofo and JtJ on the centre’s with Olly pushing both for a centre spot , nofo does take the dirty hit ups and is fairly quick maybe he could move to centre

 

[cktiger]

I don’t get where this obsession with Noffa comes from. I get people don’t like him, that’s their prerogative, but there has been zero indication that he’s being shopped around.

Obsession describes it perfectly. People are disturbed he's on good money despite signing when at the top of his game. I'd guess even Nofo would concede 2021 wasn't his best year but I think he was still top try scorer and featured regularly in the top metre, post contact metre and tackle break metrics.

Defensively you have to remember he was parked outside AD, JTJ, Joey and LL for most of the season - all of whom have been crucified for their poor defensive reads and missed tackles.

**When playing at his best Nofo is a SOO level player.** All we need is the coach to get him playing at his best and he'll be considered a bargain. Maybe we need Ted Lasso.

I'd be happy to see Cotric in the centres, but again it will require someone to get him back to his best.

He's ok on his (rare) day, but Nofo won't ever be a SOO level player.
No matter who is inside of him he would make bad judgements.
Even if someone got him playing at his best he wouldn't be a bargain - massively overpaid.
Unfortunately can't shop him around because nobody would be silly enough to pay him so much ... unless we kicked in.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Cotric is an instant starter at any NRL club.
If we can get him for $450k a year thats good business, anything lower and its great business.

He also ties into the youth building a team policy.

We have nothing really in the centers, fullback coverage is terrible if Laurie goes down and wingers are just as bad - I’m not convinced on our wingers - both are inconsistent. He is better than anything we have by a mile.

Hope we get his prop mate as well. We have over $1m to spend for next season and more after that with Lucy going as well - we can easily grab both.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

What about cotric on Nofo wing and nofo and JtJ on the centre’s with Olly pushing both for a centre spot , nofo does take the dirty hit ups and is fairly quick maybe he could move to centre

Nofo isn’t a centre he’s get destroyed in defence

 

[Newtown]

What about cotric on Nofo wing and nofo and JtJ on the centre’s with Olly pushing both for a centre spot , nofo does take the dirty hit ups and is fairly quick maybe he could move to centre

What about Nofo to fullback? Has the ability.

 

[tbones10]

I'm not opposed to it, just want to know where the club sees him playing. If its centres, I know the Bulldogs switched around between centre and wing, but I can't remember him playing that position. If its wing, great punt Nofo and his in inability to be and effective team player in defence and were a chance at the 8. Before anyone jumps up and down and says but he is a clubman , the facts speak for themselves 2021, 13 tries 28 try causes, 2020 his breakout year 17 tries 25 try causes.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He has to be seen to be playing centre, even if it isn’t his preferred position. We are completely shot in the centre’s to start the season.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

What about cotric on Nofo wing and nofo and JtJ on the centre’s with Olly pushing both for a centre spot , nofo does take the dirty hit ups and is fairly quick maybe he could move to centre

What about Nofo to fullback? Has the ability.

What about Packer at the FB? His decoys are legendary!

 

[voice_of_reason]

He's ok on his (rare) day, but Nofo won't ever be a SOO level player.
No matter who is inside of him he would make bad judgements.
Even if someone got him playing at his best he wouldn't be a bargain - massively overpaid.
Unfortunately can't shop him around because nobody would be silly enough to pay him so much ... unless we kicked in.

We'll have to agree to disagree. He was players' player a couple of years ago and Dally M winger of the year so he's clearly better than 'OK'.

I don't think he will ever play origin either, the reason I said 'origin level' player.

Every defensive decision a player makes is initiated by the players around them. I doubt there's any player in the game who could have shone defensively with JTJ and the Leilua brothers inside. Of course he's made poor decisions at times, as has every other player, but he's on a hiding to nothing outside a seriously flawed backline.

If he's on a rumoured $450k and plays to his ceiling it is a bargain. Compare this to Cotric on $600k and JAC on $650k(?).

Nofo would be one of the few starters who would easily get a run in another team and it would be just the sort of deal which would bite us. You'd take odds on him to flourish and score a hat-trick against us - quickly followed by a 50 extra pages in the regrets thread.

 

[Spartan117]

What about cotric on Nofo wing and nofo and JtJ on the centre’s with Olly pushing both for a centre spot , nofo does take the dirty hit ups and is fairly quick maybe he could move to centre

What about Nofo to fullback? Has the ability.

We have Daine Laurie at No1

He is only going to get better with another offseason at the club and some size on his frame.

 

[earl]

He's ok on his (rare) day, but Nofo won't ever be a SOO level player.
No matter who is inside of him he would make bad judgements.
Even if someone got him playing at his best he wouldn't be a bargain - massively overpaid.
Unfortunately can't shop him around because nobody would be silly enough to pay him so much ... unless we kicked in.

We'll have to agree to disagree. He was players' player a couple of years ago and Dally M winger of the year so he's clearly better than 'OK'.

I don't think he will ever play origin either, the reason I said 'origin level' player.

Every defensive decision a player makes is initiated by the players around them. I doubt there's any player in the game who could have shone defensively with JTJ and the Leilua brothers inside. Of course he's made poor decisions at times, as has every other player, but he's on a hiding to nothing outside a seriously flawed backline.

If he's on a rumoured $450k and plays to his ceiling it is a bargain. Compare this to Cotric on $600k and JAC on $650k(?).

Nofo would be one of the few starters who would easily get a run in another team and it would be just the sort of deal which would bite us. You'd take odds on him to flourish and score a hat-trick against us - quickly followed by a 50 extra pages in the regrets thread.

Heaps of good points here. I don't like the length or cost of Nofo's contract but he can play. We need centres desperately but we've now signed some decent options. Gildart & Tupou plus Talau, AJ and Doueihi. If we get Cotric I don't see centre as an issue anymore.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He's ok on his (rare) day, but Nofo won't ever be a SOO level player.
No matter who is inside of him he would make bad judgements.
Even if someone got him playing at his best he wouldn't be a bargain - massively overpaid.
Unfortunately can't shop him around because nobody would be silly enough to pay him so much ... unless we kicked in.

We'll have to agree to disagree. He was players' player a couple of years ago and Dally M winger of the year so he's clearly better than 'OK'.

I don't think he will ever play origin either, the reason I said 'origin level' player.

Every defensive decision a player makes is initiated by the players around them. I doubt there's any player in the game who could have shone defensively with JTJ and the Leilua brothers inside. Of course he's made poor decisions at times, as has every other player, but he's on a hiding to nothing outside a seriously flawed backline.

If he's on a rumoured $450k and plays to his ceiling it is a bargain. Compare this to Cotric on $600k and JAC on $650k(?).

Nofo would be one of the few starters who would easily get a run in another team and it would be just the sort of deal which would bite us. You'd take odds on him to flourish and score a hat-trick against us - quickly followed by a 50 extra pages in the regrets thread.

Heaps of good points here. I don't like the length or cost of Nofo's contract but he can play. We need centres desperately but we've now signed some decent options. Gildart & Tupou plus Talau, AJ and Doueihi. If we get Cotric I don't see centre as an issue anymore.

It will be to start the year cos 2 of the players you mentioned will be on the sideline for nearly half the season.

 

[JD Tiger]

He's ok on his (rare) day, but Nofo won't ever be a SOO level player.
No matter who is inside of him he would make bad judgements.
Even if someone got him playing at his best he wouldn't be a bargain - massively overpaid.
Unfortunately can't shop him around because nobody would be silly enough to pay him so much ... unless we kicked in.

We'll have to agree to disagree. He was players' player a couple of years ago and Dally M winger of the year so he's clearly better than 'OK'.

I don't think he will ever play origin either, the reason I said 'origin level' player.

Every defensive decision a player makes is initiated by the players around them. I doubt there's any player in the game who could have shone defensively with JTJ and the Leilua brothers inside. Of course he's made poor decisions at times, as has every other player, but he's on a hiding to nothing outside a seriously flawed backline.

If he's on a rumoured $450k and plays to his ceiling it is a bargain. Compare this to Cotric on $600k and JAC on $650k(?).

Nofo would be one of the few starters who would easily get a run in another team and it would be just the sort of deal which would bite us. You'd take odds on him to flourish and score a hat-trick against us - quickly followed by a 50 extra pages in the regrets thread.

Heaps of good points here. I don't like the length or cost of Nofo's contract but he can play. We need centres desperately but we've now signed some decent options. Gildart & Tupou plus Talau, AJ and Doueihi. If we get Cotric I don't see centre as an issue anymore.

It will be to start the year cos 2 of the players you mentioned will be on the sideline for nearly half the season.

Yeah but our centres would be Cotric and AJ/Tupou/Gildart/Jet
Surely whoever we give a chance out of those 4 will step up, or if not we work through the others giving them their shot.

Even if all 4 of them get dropped, surely by then Douiehi or Talau will be fit again.

 

[Harvey]

Hopefully confirmation in the next 48 hours. If we can get him for 400-450k a good buy, our outside back depth is terrible. Do we even have a proven NRL standard centre for round 1 next year?

If he doesn't work out, Sheens can convert him to a back rower.

JTJ

On a train and trial contract only, would need to be upgraded.

I'd also suggest that it is being kind to consider his performance in the last 2 years NRL standard

 

[Bones]

I don’t get where this obsession with Noffa comes from. I get people don’t like him, that’s their prerogative, but there has been zero indication that he’s being shopped around.

Obsession describes it perfectly. People are disturbed he's on good money despite signing when at the top of his game. I'd guess even Nofo would concede 2021 wasn't his best year but I think he was still top try scorer and featured regularly in the top metre, post contact metre and tackle break metrics.

Defensively you have to remember he was parked outside AD, JTJ, Joey and LL for most of the season - all of whom have been crucified for their poor defensive reads and missed tackles.

**When playing at his best Nofo is a SOO level player.** All we need is the coach to get him playing at his best and he'll be considered a bargain. Maybe we need Ted Lasso.

I'd be happy to see Cotric in the centres, but again it will require someone to get him back to his best.

He's ok on his (rare) day, but Nofo won't ever be a SOO level player.
No matter who is inside of him he would make bad judgements.
Even if someone got him playing at his best he wouldn't be a bargain - massively overpaid.
Unfortunately can't shop him around because nobody would be silly enough to pay him so much ... unless we kicked in.

I think it does matter who plays inside him. The best teams don’t need their wingers to make defensive decisions, because they rarely get caught with 2-3 man overlaps.

He’s never going to be Trevor Gillmeister but if you take the decisions out of his hands and he just holds his wing he should be able to do a job. I think a large part of his problem is that he doesn’t trust his inside defenders (which is probably fair enough), and he panics which compounds the problem.