Nick Cotric - Thread

[Jedi_Tiger]

You were pushing the Rumour a month ago @demps, good work

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Might as well lock it up.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

You were pushing the Rumour a month ago @demps, good work

bulldogs have also lacked clear info, this is fantastic for several reasons .. hopefully the 2022 Bulldogs can find a way to better unleash the potential of Cotric. He was a try scoring beast at Raiders, but has shown very little of that form in his time at the Bulldogs.

 

[Demps]

You were pushing the Rumour a month ago @demps, good work

There's definitely a deal that can be made.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Ill pass, not a fan of him

 

[Demps]

Ill pass, not a fan of him

AD and Twal are though.
🤗

 

[crazycat]

For our club, someone like Cotric would be pretty close to a marquee signing. Especially when you look at who else we've signed for the coming year, Gildart and Hastings. Either no-one wants to come here or our recruitment team doesn't want to splash any money around, even for quality players.

Moot point anyway since our chariman loves Nofoaluma and we won't move him on because of that.

I don’t rate Cotric anymore, especially as a marquee signing - he’s done nothing since being a superstar at the Raiders. He’s lost pace and we are probably dumb enough to sign him so the Bulldogs have salary cap to sign Brandon Smith!

So when do we sign people?

I ask honestly. Here is a player, Cotric who had form at the Raiders. Now he does NOT have form.

Do we sign players when they are playing well and expensive? OR when they are out of form and Cheap?

The Storm are Notorious for signing out of form players that people have forgotten and making them Marquee signings anywhere else.

Were pretty good at taking people with form, Tamou, Russell Packer, Roberts and seeing their performance go down.

If we sign players in form, they dip. We have paid overs for an above average player.
If we sign players out of form, they don't recover, we get a below average paper weight.

So what works?
Signing Joe O, Stephano, Twal and fringe forwards seems to go ok here.

I noticed too that Cronulla went all in to sign Dale Finucane while we were chasing TPJ.
What surprised me about this was Finucane was offering leadership and probably won't improve his own performance. Cronulla has oodles of Forward leadership in Luke Lewis, Tollman, Gallen, etc. LOTS of leaders that they could draw on.
They double down and keep investing in... Leadership? Yes I really wanted to sign TPJ and thought he was first priority. Now thinking about it, we need to get our leadership right first.

 

[Demps]

Cotric is a weapon.

Don't think he has the right people around him at the dogs.

 

[Needaname]

For our club, someone like Cotric would be pretty close to a marquee signing. Especially when you look at who else we've signed for the coming year, Gildart and Hastings. Either no-one wants to come here or our recruitment team doesn't want to splash any money around, even for quality players.

Moot point anyway since our chariman loves Nofoaluma and we won't move him on because of that.

I don’t rate Cotric anymore, especially as a marquee signing - he’s done nothing since being a superstar at the Raiders. He’s lost pace and we are probably dumb enough to sign him so the Bulldogs have salary cap to sign Brandon Smith!

So when do we sign people?

I ask honestly. Here is a player, Cotric who had form at the Raiders. Now he does NOT have form.

Do we sign players when they are playing well and expensive? OR when they are out of form and Cheap?

The Storm are Notorious for signing out of form players that people have forgotten and making them Marquee signings anywhere else.

Were pretty good at taking people with form, Tamou, Russell Packer, Roberts and seeing their performance go down.

If we sign players in form, they dip. We have paid overs for an above average player.
If we sign players out of form, they don't recover, we get a below average paper weight.

So what works?
Signing Joe O, Stephano, Twal and fringe forwards seems to go ok here.

I noticed too that Cronulla went all in to sign Dale Finucane while we were chasing TPJ.
What surprised me about this was Finucane was offering leadership and probably won't improve his own performance. Cronulla has oodles of Forward leadership in Luke Lewis, Tollman, Gallen, etc. LOTS of leaders that they could draw on.
They double down and keep investing in... Leadership? Yes I really wanted to sign TPJ and thought he was first priority. Now thinking about it, we need to get our leadership right first.

For us it’s the young tyros looking to break out that have made the biggest difference for us.

Tapau
Austin
Kevy
Lodge
Aloai

And in recent times

Lauri
Stefano
Doueihi

Where we go wrong is not keeping the best ones.
With only Kevy and Aloiai hanging around for awhile whom out of the list were the most inconsistent.

At the other end of the scale when we sign vets either in form and expensive or out of form and inexpensive we get this horribly wrong.

However the answer to the question might not lie in just the player but in the attributes.

Using Josh Aloiai as an example where Manly targeted him to replace Adin Fonua Blake I just couldn’t see it. However towards the end of the year he was constantly one of their best forwards for them.
Despite the attitude, desire or whatever mental attribute both players had I saw one similarity in the two players physically.
Both Addin Fonua Blake and Aloiai have really thick thighs. This might seem funny but if you remember when AFB was close to the prop of the year last year that he would continually keep moving in traffic and keeping his legs pumping. Manly lost AFB and needed a player similar to complement their pack and avoid going backwards this year.
In the back end of the year watching Josh Aloiai a bit in the manly games he was doing less of his ‘Kamikaze’ runs where he would hit the line hard and drop and more steady hit up continuously moving forwards in contact.

 

[boonboon]

Aloia starting prop for Manly this weekend made 68 meters in 40 mins. We havent missed him at all

 

[bathursttiger1]

Cotric is a weapon.

Don't think he has the right people around him at the dogs.

He was really good on the wing at the Raiders, a flop in the centre at the Dogs.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Cotric is a weapon.

Don't think he has the right people around him at the dogs.

He was reakky good on the wing at the Raiders, a flop in the centre at the Dogs.

Bulldogs have been utterly terrible - even worse than us!

 

[Rowdy12]

Cotric is a weapon.

Don't think he has the right people around him at the dogs.

He was reakky good on the wing at the Raiders, a flop in the centre at the Dogs.

TBF he barely played center, was named there a few times but always lined up on the wing

 

[Lukic]

Most of the Dogs players looked bad this year. Cotric was one of the best wingers in the game up until last year, he'll be fine. Played origin at 20. If he was 29 years old and regressed, then yeah I'd worry. Bloke is 22, he'll rebound.

Also he's a winger and not a centre imo. If we could swap Noffa for Cotric, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I think we've seen Nofoaluma's best, Cotric's best might still be to come.

It would be nice if the Lomax rumours were true too. a Leilua/Doueihi/Lomax/Cotric right edge? A man can dream...

 

[tony soprano]

Most of the Dogs players looked bad this year. Cotric was one of the best wingers in the game up until last year, he'll be fine. Played origin at 20. If he was 29 years old and regressed, then yeah I'd worry. Bloke is 22, he'll rebound.

Also he's a winger and not a centre imo. If we could swap Noffa for Cotric, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I think we've seen Nofoaluma's best, Cotric's best might still be to come.

It would be nice if the Lomax rumours were true too. a Leilua/Doueihi/Lomax/Cotric right edge? A man can dream...

Lomax injured a lot

 

[Needaname]

Aloia starting prop for Manly this weekend made 68 meters in 40 mins. We havent missed him at all

Thanks but I wasn’t implying we are missing him.

Earlier I mentioned he was one of the few we developed from another club that we kept for at least 5 years but he was also one of our more inconsistent.

Des reckons he can get him right well good luck with that.

Regardless my point is certain players suit certain styles. It’s no point just throwing paint on the wall hoping it sticks, we need to be patient and target the right complementary player.

 

[Geo]

Comments from Sheens where interesting..

 

[Demps]

🔥🔥🔥

Trusted insider
@Pascoes_barber

 

[WT2K]

Really hope they can get this done.

I was a huge fan of his while he as at the Raiders, he'd bring some much needed speed/enthusiasm to the group IMHO.

Ahead of the curve

 

[WT2K]

Comments from Sheens where interesting..

Yep, very interesting...

Tigers director of football Tim Sheens confirmed the club was in negotiations with Cotric’s agent Sam Ayoub.

“It’s certainly nowhere near being done but we’ve met with the lad and Madge likes what he could add to the roster,” Sheens said.

“We’re not the only club at the table so we’ll just have to let it take its course and see how it plays out.”

“We’ve obviously got Daine Laurie coming back from injury and the good thing with Nick is he grew up playing fullback, has also played on the wing and can play in the centres,” the Tigers director of football said.

“So from that point of view he could provide us with depth in a number of positions.”