Noffa and McQueen to start in ISP

[Tiger_Watto]

So all u who think Noffo deserves to be dropped for bad defence….and applaud Ivan for doing so, yet Brooks still on the team. Brooks can't defend against an under 13 team, and his attack is even more God awful....what do u say about that?

I dont agree dropping Nofo is a good thing, but the coach may believe he has options with MWZ & Thomo?

With Brooks its not that clear. The only real option Cleary has to maintain the structure he has set is Josh Drinkwater. If the coach at some stage believes he needs to drop Brooks, he also has to make changes to the team structure and thats not likely to be done for Round 1 after a pre-season working on the structure the coach believes is the best format.

Either way, I cant see this being about Nofo's defence!

 

[Tigerdon]

We don’t have any star players but we have depth. For the WestsTigers to have any chance of making the 8 , all players will have to be meeting all their KPI’s. Whoever is exceeding them should be picked above someone who is not.

 

[Geo]

So all u who think Noffo deserves to be dropped for bad defence….and applaud Ivan for doing so, yet Brooks still on the team. Brooks can't defend against an under 13 team, and his attack is even more God awful....what do u say about that?

I dont agree dropping Nofo is a good thing, but the coach may believe he has options with MWZ & Thomo?

With Brooks its not that clear. The only real option Cleary has to maintain the structure he has set is Josh Drinkwater. If the coach at some stage believes he needs to drop Brooks, he also has to make changes to the team structure and thats not likely to be done for Round 1 after a pre-season working on the structure the coach believes is the best format.

Either way, I cant see this being about Nofo's defence!

Stick to the structure of run harder than the opposition, tackle harder than the opposition kick deeper than the opposition chase harder than the opposition…

It's Rugby League not rocket surgery....

10 mins in the bin for you every time you mention structure again... :brick:

 

[Tiger_Steve]

So all u who think Noffo deserves to be dropped for bad defence….and applaud Ivan for doing so, yet Brooks still on the team. Brooks can't defend against an under 13 team, and his attack is even more God awful....what do u say about that?

I say that Ivan is the right coach for us and the club is moving in the right direction. I say I’m going to support whoever takes the field. I say I’m going to be a true positive supporter and not bag every decision that is made

Me too.

So neither of you have your own opinion… apart from your blind faith in the coach?
Looks like a lot of boring input from you two.

My opinion is I have faith in the coach. It’s not blind. Everything I read, listened to and watched indicates to me that Cleary and his team know their stuff SO my opinion, which I think is well informed, is that I am trusting and supporting their judgment. I am also realistic and humble enough to be able to consider the point that just maybe they know more about the game and our team than I do.

I want to back up and support their decisions based on the above preface. That’s not blind faith but if you think it’s boring - good for you

 

[Tiger_Watto]

So all u who think Noffo deserves to be dropped for bad defence….and applaud Ivan for doing so, yet Brooks still on the team. Brooks can't defend against an under 13 team, and his attack is even more God awful....what do u say about that?

I dont agree dropping Nofo is a good thing, but the coach may believe he has options with MWZ & Thomo?

With Brooks its not that clear. The only real option Cleary has to maintain the structure he has set is Josh Drinkwater. If the coach at some stage believes he needs to drop Brooks, he also has to make changes to the team structure and thats not likely to be done for Round 1 after a pre-season working on the structure the coach believes is the best format.

Either way, I cant see this being about Nofo's defence!

Stick to the structure of run harder than the opposition, tackle harder than the opposition kick deeper than the opposition chase harder than the opposition…

It's Rugby League not rocket surgery....

10 mins in the bin for you every time you mention structure again... :brick:

Stick to AFL mate… There is a bus coming in 30min!

 

[Geo]

So all u who think Noffo deserves to be dropped for bad defence….and applaud Ivan for doing so, yet Brooks still on the team. Brooks can't defend against an under 13 team, and his attack is even more God awful....what do u say about that?

I dont agree dropping Nofo is a good thing, but the coach may believe he has options with MWZ & Thomo?

With Brooks its not that clear. The only real option Cleary has to maintain the structure he has set is Josh Drinkwater. If the coach at some stage believes he needs to drop Brooks, he also has to make changes to the team structure and thats not likely to be done for Round 1 after a pre-season working on the structure the coach believes is the best format.

Either way, I cant see this being about Nofo's defence!

Stick to the structure of run harder than the opposition, tackle harder than the opposition kick deeper than the opposition chase harder than the opposition…

It's Rugby League not rocket surgery....

10 mins in the bin for you every time you mention structure again... :brick:

Stick to AFL mate… There is a bus coming in 30min!

OK…King Cliche...

fight for every inch..

 

[TigerSJ]

Trying to be positive and supporting the team and the coach is not boring and neither is recognising and acknowledging that Ivan and staff know a lot more about the players and the game than we do.
Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion - that's why it's called a FORUM - a place we can all express our views.
Regarding Noffa - know one has provided anything concrete on whether it was a disciplinary action by Ivan or whether Noffa just hasn't shown more than Thomson or MWZ. Either way, Ivan is sending a strong message to the group and that can only be beneficial in the long term. I am sure Noffa will step up and force his way back into the NRL team.

 

[Toowoomba_Tiger]

I suspect Cleary is simply enforcing the message that nobody is a sure starter whilst rewarding the players who really put in in the off season. Noffa was pretty much a sure thing and probably took some comfort in knowing this and Cleary is putting him outside that comfort zone to get the best out of him.

I think its along the same lines as Tui not getting the fullback spot in the last trial.
Noffa's got a 4 year contract and Ivan wants to get full value out of him. Drop him for the early rounds and see how much drive and determination he has to get back to first grade which will probably make him a better player.

On a side note! I recall Masters saying how good a talker Thompson was outside him and how much that helped him in defence. Maybe Noffa's defensive lapses (even though IMO he's covering the defensive lapses inside him) is more about communication then poor reading of the opposition.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

So all u who think Noffo deserves to be dropped for bad defence….and applaud Ivan for doing so, yet Brooks still on the team. Brooks can't defend against an under 13 team, and his attack is even more God awful....what do u say about that?

Yep ….. that is right. Nofo is where he should be and Brooks is where he should be!

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I say that Ivan is the right coach for us and the club is moving in the right direction. I say I’m going to support whoever takes the field. I say I’m going to be a true positive supporter and not bag every decision that is made

Me too.

So neither of you have your own opinion… apart from your blind faith in the coach?
Looks like a lot of boring input from you two.

Brooks last man standing. He must of done everything on the training paddock and needs to work on kicking game..

For all we know Brooks may be on notice from IC, (he probably is anyway).
we don’t know if Nofa is out because of Discipline , or a problem that we all know he’s had since he came into first grade.
Whichever it is, I don’t care.

If previous Coaches had shown any guts and dropped him before this.
The problem may have been rectified a long time ago.
The main point is that a player with a long time fault in his game , May at last realise that it’s not going to be swept under the carpet any more.
The same goes if it’s a disciplinary thing,
Players will know that their actions have consequences, and that means all players, not just the fringe players
I hope he continues to demand a certain standard on and off the field, no matter who the player is.

 

[Tacky]

Presser on Friday should provide us with some answers

 

[Pawsandclaws]

I thought Nofo looked slow (slower than normal) in the trials and his defence needs refining. It must be demoralising when your opponent knows that all they have to do is swing the play it to our right and they will score. At least Thompson will have a go and will probably give Marsters more confidence.

 

[jirskyr]

I've missed the part where Nofo is a "superstar" winger. He played City Origin once?

Good guy, likeable, plenty of WT spirit, does hard work. Also defensively questionable, not particularly quick, issues with his knees over multiple seasons.

I can't see a point of having depth if you arent prepared to use it. I'm surprised how many supporters think Nofo should be a walk-up in Round 1.

Certainly, if Thommo or MWZ play badly next few weeks then recall Nofo. But you can't complain about lack of success, defensive lapses, cultural issues and then get upset when the coach cuts a few family favourites.

 

[larrycorowa]

Made all our dirty and post contact metres over the past 3-4years….that’s why most expected him to be a walk up start. Can’t see any of the wingers picked making anything like the metres Noffa has come over last couple of years.

He must not be training good enough.

 

[larrycorowa]

So all u who think Noffo deserves to be dropped for bad defence….and applaud Ivan for doing so, yet Brooks still on the team. Brooks can't defend against an under 13 team, and his attack is even more God awful....what do u say about that?

I say that Ivan is the right coach for us and the club is moving in the right direction. I say I’m going to support whoever takes the field. I say I’m going to be a true positive supporter and not bag every decision that is made

Me too.

So neither of you have your own opinion… apart from your blind faith in the coach?
Looks like a lot of boring input from you two.

Opinion is to support the coach….fairly clear and more sensible than supporting an uninformed opinion.

 

[diedpretty]

It's an interesting selection. I would imagine East's would have believed Noffa would be a starter and would of had a game plan that no doubt would have meant a lot of attacking down that side. This may upset that plan.

 

[Geo]

It's an interesting selection. I would imagine East's would have believed Noffa would be a starter and would of had a game plan that no doubt would have meant a lot of attacking down that side. This may upset that plan.

I agree I reckon Robbo and JT are now stumped…

 

[seijai]

yep, stumped….Thompson looks a bit like that too

Game plan would be to kick high to Thompson, given Rorters have taller wingers

 

[Tacky]

It appears Noffa wasn't putting in at training