Nothing will change till .....

[supercoach]

Iam not bagging Sheens or the team but nothing is going to change till this club turns up week after week and put in a consistent performance.

The difference between a good week and a bad week is a 80% form swing and once a month we deliver four different performances ranging from brilliant to sub sub standard. St George, being the bench mark at present have about a 10% form swing from a good day to a bad day and thats why they win most weeks.

Since the joint venture started we have only ever had two winning streaks where we turned up week after week for a substantial period of time and even in those years we were in the main inconsistent. Inexperience has always been offered as a excuse in the past but really that wears thin in 2011\. Injuries are another excuse,but really they should not effect your intensity or your mental resolve.

I know its impossible to play at your very best week in and week out but this team will not get anywhere to it learns to win ugly and hold together and dig deep. I dont want to end up like the Drags and eliminate all risk from our game but their are days when you have to tuff it out .

2011 is far from over but Sheens and the players should have a long think about what they want and what they are prepared to do to get it

 

[TIGERDAVIS]

We have so much talent but we just need the consistency!
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[angeman]

i'm over the injury excuses. all teams have injuries. st george wins games without soward and boyd don't they? souths beat us without asotasi, burgess, inglis and another 3-4 first graders out. i know we have injuries but we don't cope well enough.

defence is about attitude. and turning up for each other. perhaps we need an assistant coach purely looking at defense. its too hot and cold (more cold). even within the same game. let's keep a team to 0 just once!

 

[Balmain_Bug]

They run on without a killer instinct. The coach is to blame. The buck stops with him. Same rubbish year after year.

 

[murr99]

Well lets be honest,this team wont go anywhere in the comp,because it wont get down and dirty,it doesnt have the mental attitude or toughtness to compete with the likes of the dragons ,manly and to a lesser degree the dogs,and anyone who blames injuries,are kidding themselves.

All teams have injuries,but thats what sort the good sides out from the also runs.

The next two weeks will decide where the tigers are going,win one lose one, not good enough.

Must win both to have any chance of finishing in the top 4.

 

[innsaneink]

I dont think we can ever get consistency with the type of footy sheens has us playing.
Its not patient, its high risk high ball movement that when it comes off looks great, but when it doesnt we look like crap.
We rarely if ever are in a dogfight down to the wire.
Pretty footy keeps the turnstiles turning and the merchandise tills chiming….great for business, but at the end of the day it gives you 50/50 results

 

[fergiefurr]

ink i disagree in a way. we generally have one of the lowest mistake rates every year.

last night we lost because we were completely unenthusiastic form the outset. i have never seen a team looking less like they wanted to be there in the first half then what we served up.

every game we lose its because the other team ran and tackled harder then us. i am sick to death of seeing every single set we have go:

tackle 1: hit up by a prop off a standing start
tackle 2: dummyhalf run from an outside back
tackle 3: farah run 3 meters and turns heighington back into the markers
tackle 4: lui or marshall drift across field and find a runner standing flat.
tackle 5: generally something stupid and we make a grand total of between 20-30 meters

this has happened every game every year since 2005\. farah said on talkin sport in 2008 or 2009 that sheens coaches us to run at markers and submit as he believes it gets quick play the balls. this hasnt occurred since 2005 yet we still do the exact same thing and then scratch our heads as to why we get dominated in the forwards every week.

then every now and again we beat up a bottom to middle range team (like canberra last week) the press jumps all over us and says we are genuine title contenders and i bet every one is walking around concord thinking they are king sh*t.

then inevitably the week after that we play another bottom team and get towelled up then hear the exact same things from the coach and players 'we are so dissapointed, the heads are down in the sheds, we wont let this happen again etc etc.' However does anybody honestly think anything will be done differently at training this week?

If we lost for different reasons every year i could understand, however EVERY SINGLE game we lose is a mirror image of the last one and has been for 5 or 6 years now.

 

[fergiefurr]

seriously we are the only team whos forwards get the ball from a standing start.

you just have to look at corey payne, bronson harrison, lewis brown etc to see what getting away from sheens can do for a forward

 

[Flippedy]

Your posts make perfect sense, fergiefurr. What I would like to know is why the team is, so often, disinterested in playing their matches. Do they go on the turps the night before or something? Cause they sure do play like it sometimes.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

ink i disagree in a way. we generally have one of the lowest mistake rates every year.

last night we lost because we were completely unenthusiastic form the outset. i have never seen a team looking less like they wanted to be there in the first half then what we served up.

every game we lose its because the other team ran and tackled harder then us. i am sick to death of seeing every single set we have go:

tackle 1: hit up by a prop off a standing start
tackle 2: dummyhalf run from an outside back
tackle 3: farah run 3 meters and turns heighington back into the markers
tackle 4: lui or marshall drift across field and find a runner standing flat.
tackle 5: generally something stupid and we make a grand total of between 20-30 meters

this has happened every game every year since 2005\. farah said on talkin sport in 2008 or 2009 that sheens coaches us to run at markers and submit as he believes it gets quick play the balls. this hasnt occurred since 2005 yet we still do the exact same thing and then scratch our heads as to why we get dominated in the forwards every week.

then every now and again we beat up a bottom to middle range team (like canberra last week) the press jumps all over us and says we are genuine title contenders and i bet every one is walking around concord thinking they are king sh*t.

then inevitably the week after that we play another bottom team and get towelled up then hear the exact same things from the coach and players 'we are so dissapointed, the heads are down in the sheds, we wont let this happen again etc etc.' However does anybody honestly think anything will be done differently at training this week?

If we lost for different reasons every year i could understand, however EVERY SINGLE game we lose is a mirror image of the last one and has been for 5 or 6 years now.

Spot on. And people try and tell me we are not coached like this. The proof is in the pudding. Our forwards rarely run onto the ball with any gusto.

 

[happy_tiger]

They did in Raiders semi . Was watching one of Bons magic videos and remember seeing Keefie and others running like the devil was chasing them . Why can't the Tigers find the magic formula most weeks . Can live with losing but its the way we lose that pisses me off . Can remember a coach many years ago tell me that if you are phsyically able to walk off the field after a loss you haven't tried hard enough . And still believe that to this day.

 

[Captain_Awesome]

only the dragons are consistent

 

[wests4ever]

I have been a supporter now for over 40 years & I am sick too death of "losing" every year & not seeing us improve in our performances.
it's not that hard to coach consistent winning football- look at Wayne Bennett and his "dragqueens"- The facts are u don't need a coachs qualification to be a great coach.
It's so easy - I can't believe Weststigers Management believed that keeping Loser Shines was the best option?????????? :crazy :unamused: :bulb:
They are outta their "cottonpicken minds"!!!!!! :wtf :deadhorse:
What is the point in playing this great game & being involved in it if you don;t learn & develop over time????
After the Souths game it's like watching the "x files" or the "outta limits"!!!DEJAVU GUYS!!!!
tHE DEFINITION OF "insanity" is - Doing the same things over 7 over ,year in year out & expecting things to change!\]
Weststigers management aren't as good as we think because now we have resigned loser shines we have lost Steve Folkes/ and we will never get the premierships we deserve!!!!!!!!
Anyone who thinks this is wrong has gotta be outta their cottonpicken minds!!!!! :blush: :crazy :question: :roll :deadhorse:
I PREMIERSHIP IN 11 years is "not good enough LOSER SHINES!!!!
get real or get r–ted!!!!! :sign:
GOD HELP US ALL!!!!!!

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

It's 'attitude'.
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The Tigers CAN beat nearly every team they come across. In fact, they are more talented than nearly every team in the NRL.

But they run hot & cold.

A few of you have suggested that Sheens' attacking style doesn't work 100% of the time- and that is true- but I'm not convinced that it's the 'system' that is the problem. If the Tigers had put in some effort in defence in that first half- they win that game over Souths.

But after about 15 minutes- they gave up. Points were leaked at an alarming rate against a team that really, had no right to do so.

I'm going to suggest that the problem isn't Sheens' gameplan, but more the principles he & his coaching staff instill in the young guys as they develop. It's a 'mental' thing- they seem to lack the mental ability to fight for a win. They sure as hell can look flashy & exciting when the stars align, but if they are even slightly off their game- they go to pieces.

Against Souths, simple dummy half running was finding out guys like Galloway & Heighington- generally very reliable defenders. That shouldn't happen- at least, not for extended periods of a game. And yet, it did. And does- often.

I don't know the answer to the problem. On one hand Sheens & co develop a remarkable amount of talent. On the other hand, these players seem to be perrenially flawed, mentally, and unable to shoulder the grind of week to week football.

 

[happy_tiger]

It's 'attitude'.
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The Tigers CAN beat nearly every team they come across. In fact, they are more talented than nearly every team in the NRL.

But they run hot & cold.

A few of you have suggested that Sheens' attacking style doesn't work 100% of the time- and that is true- but I'm not convinced that it's the 'system' that is the problem. If the Tigers had put in some effort in defence in that first half- they win that game over Souths.

But after about 15 minutes- they gave up. Points were leaked at an alarming rate against a team that really, had no right to do so.

I'm going to suggest that the problem isn't Sheens' gameplan, but more the principles he & his coaching staff instill in the young guys as they develop. It's a 'mental' thing- they seem to lack the mental ability to fight for a win. They sure as hell can look flashy & exciting when the stars align, but if they are even slightly off their game- they go to pieces.

Against Souths, simple dummy half running was finding out guys like Galloway & Heighington- generally very reliable defenders. That shouldn't happen- at least, not for extended periods of a game. And yet, it did. And does- often.

I don't know the answer to the problem. On one hand Sheens & co develop a remarkable amount of talent. On the other hand, these players seem to be perrenially flawed, mentally, and unable to shoulder the grind of week to week football.

But that has been a problem with the Tigers from day dot . Since the first game have noticed a trend in the Tigers If we can stay within 8 points we keep fighting to the end . If it gets passed the 10 point mark and the opposition has control of the game we usually get blown out of the water . Or we score a couple of consolation tries at the end . This was happening before Sheens got here .

 

[supercoach]

It's 'attitude'.
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The Tigers CAN beat nearly every team they come across. In fact, they are more talented than nearly every team in the NRL.

But they run hot & cold.

A few of you have suggested that Sheens' attacking style doesn't work 100% of the time- and that is true- but I'm not convinced that it's the 'system' that is the problem. If the Tigers had put in some effort in defence in that first half- they win that game over Souths.

But after about 15 minutes- they gave up. Points were leaked at an alarming rate against a team that really, had no right to do so.

I'm going to suggest that the problem isn't Sheens' gameplan, but more the principles he & his coaching staff instill in the young guys as they develop. It's a 'mental' thing- they seem to lack the mental ability to fight for a win. They sure as hell can look flashy & exciting when the stars align, but if they are even slightly off their game- they go to pieces.

Against Souths, simple dummy half running was finding out guys like Galloway & Heighington- generally very reliable defenders. That shouldn't happen- at least, not for extended periods of a game. And yet, it did. And does- often.

I don't know the answer to the problem. On one hand Sheens & co develop a remarkable amount of talent. On the other hand, these players seem to be perrenially flawed, mentally, and unable to shoulder the grind of week to week football.

Mate I think the coach and players have been together for a long time and have a very cozy relationship going and neither are been held accountable for their on field performances. Theirs lots of back slapping in the good time and everyone is invisible in the bad times

 

[crouching_tiger]

The way the WT play reflect Marshall's game and how much pull he has in the ranks.
Benji has never been consistent in his entire NRL career.
Since the departure of Prince and since Benji has become a senior player with more say on-field, WestsTigers will NEVER find consistency until the day he retires or hands over the reins.
So strap yourself in kiddies and just enjoy the freakish plays we will get to see from time to time from the excitement machine one Benji Quentin Marshall!! :sign:

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

ink i disagree in a way. we generally have one of the lowest mistake rates every year.

last night we lost because we were completely unenthusiastic form the outset. i have never seen a team looking less like they wanted to be there in the first half then what we served up.

every game we lose its because the other team ran and tackled harder then us. i am sick to death of seeing every single set we have go:

tackle 1: hit up by a prop off a standing start
tackle 2: dummyhalf run from an outside back
tackle 3: **Marshall kicks,** or farah run 3 meters and turns heighington back into the markers
tackle 4: lui or marshall drift across field and find a runner standing flat.
tackle 5: generally something stupid and we make a grand total of between 20-30 meters

this has happened every game every year since 2005\. farah said on talkin sport in 2008 or 2009 that sheens coaches us to run at markers and submit as he believes it gets quick play the balls. this hasnt occurred since 2005 yet we still do the exact same thing and then scratch our heads as to why we get dominated in the forwards every week.

then every now and again we beat up a bottom to middle range team (like canberra last week) the press jumps all over us and says we are genuine title contenders and i bet every one is walking around concord thinking they are king sh*t.

then inevitably the week after that we play another bottom team and get towelled up then hear the exact same things from the coach and players 'we are so dissapointed, the heads are down in the sheds, we wont let this happen again etc etc.' However does anybody honestly think anything will be done differently at training this week?

If we lost for different reasons every year i could understand, however EVERY SINGLE game we lose is a mirror image of the last one and has been for 5 or 6 years now.

Edited for accuracy.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Nothing will change till we stop playing to our strengths from the opening whistle…

While we have something to offer across the park, we are really one demensional in many games... If they havnt realised the opposition coaches know we are gona go through the middle, we are just stupid. Yes it worked against Canberra, but they are stupid! The Referee's knew about Farah and they knew our backrowers will lock up the ball in tackles. They rubbed us out and then we had nothing...

We need to build on players like Robert Lui and Simon Dwyer. At the moment, they are playing Benji's and Robbies game and they too become one demensional. 2011 has shown us that the teams who do the simple things right, will be in the games at the end.

Unleash Robbie and Benji when the time is right!!!

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Watto's probably right- too much reliance on Farah/Marshall.

Robert Lui probably holds a few keys to the team going forward.

That said- attitude in defence is still required.