NRL Rd 4 *Spoilers

[rustycage]

1st time I've watched the Matty Johns Show this year..what the hell am I watching..

A group of un-funny idiots.

 

[TigerSJ]

Well if the results this weekend are anything to go by ... we get thumped 20+ tomorrow

Great product Vlandys is producing

Who do we beat to get to the top 8? Do you reckon it’s 30 points still

Seems pretty clear that top 6 are shoe ins - Penrith Storm Rabbits Roosters Raiders Eels then a battle for 7th and 8th between Titans, Sharks, Warriors, Dragons and us. With Knights, Broncos, Bulldogs, Manly and Cows all struggling.
To make the 8 we must beat all the teams outside that top 6 and one or two of the 6 just in case would help.

 

[TigerSJ]

Watched Knights v Dragons yesterday. Both teams were pretty average. If it wasnt for Sims (and all the Knights injuries) Dragons would have struggled to win. Can’t see Knights winning games over next 4-6 weeks. Dragons haven’t played a decent team yet.

 

[Russell]

1st time I've watched the Matty Johns Show this year..what the hell am I watching..

Were you doing a penance?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There's a very good argument for Morris being the best winger of all time. Obviously there's some greats of the past but he has no weaknesses and has been doing it his entire career, now aged 34 which is insane for a winger.

Nah IMO. Everybody was capable of tackling in days gone by, these days tackling is optional.

I reckon defences are better than ever.... that's why it's all the more impressive what he's doing. He's up against 100kg physical freaks on the wing

Defences are better than ever? Don't tell anyone but have you seen our right edge defence the last 3 or 4 years? Inglis, Tedesco.....considered greats of the game but couldn't tackle to save themselves.
Langlands, Jack....back in the day when fullbacks could cover-defend. Nowadays fb's are just witches hats: that was why the RTS tackle last weekend was front page news.
BMOZ would've been bashed out of the sport by Peter Dimond.

LOL what utter tripe . Those guys are ringing wet 80kgs . The average winger is 100kg . The only thing that Peter Dimond would be getting is a concussion every off week. At no point in any 70s players career did they ever have to tackle a guy who can run the 40m in under 5 seconds , whilst weighing 115kg . Now there 5 in every pack , and sometimes a whole team of them .

 

[happy_tiger]

Lots of hype on Sam Walker but the kid was very impressive. Played very smart and looked mature behind his years out there leading the team around and popping up where need be. Classy performance

Fair bit of genetics help

 

[happy_tiger]

1st time I've watched the Matty Johns Show this year..what the hell am I watching..

Matty asked can you not mention that you watch the show ...it isn't good for ratings ...or his mental state

 

[tig_prmz]

That’s why I rate Teddy higher than Paps. Nothing on, team on the back foot, and creates something out of nothing.

I was just thinking that the other day.

Guys like Paps/Slater have never really played in a losing team consistently. Teddy continually had to play on the backfoot with us so had to rely on individual skills, trying to beat 2 people at once etc.

I think that's what makes JT/Joey better than Cronk/Lockyer/Alfie in my books as well. They stand up in poor and good teams.

 

[sleeve]

1st time I've watched the Matty Johns Show this year..what the hell am I watching..

Man, you need a mental assesment, next you will believe reality shows are real! lol

 

[Fade.To.Black]

There's a very good argument for Morris being the best winger of all time. Obviously there's some greats of the past but he has no weaknesses and has been doing it his entire career, now aged 34 which is insane for a winger.

Nah IMO. Everybody was capable of tackling in days gone by, these days tackling is optional.

I reckon defences are better than ever.... that's why it's all the more impressive what he's doing. He's up against 100kg physical freaks on the wing

Defences are better than ever? Don't tell anyone but have you seen our right edge defence the last 3 or 4 years? Inglis, Tedesco.....considered greats of the game but couldn't tackle to save themselves.
Langlands, Jack....back in the day when fullbacks could cover-defend. Nowadays fb's are just witches hats: that was why the RTS tackle last weekend was front page news.
BMOZ would've been bashed out of the sport by Peter Dimond.

LOL what utter tripe . Those guys are ringing wet 80kgs . The average winger is 100kg . The only thing that Peter Dimond would be getting is a concussion every off week. At no point in any 70s players career did they ever have to tackle a guy who can run the 40m in under 5 seconds , whilst weighing 115kg . Now there 5 in every pack , and sometimes a whole team of them .

Haha, accuse someone of 'utter tripe' then proceed to write a few paragraphs of utter tripe?. You reckon Peter Dimond was 80kgs? Ok.
Reg Gasnier, Ken Irvine (albeit Gasnier was a centre) etc weren't absolute speedsters back in that era? Ok.
"Nowadays there are 5 players in the pack that can run 40m in under 5 seconds".?? Can you name that team for us all please???.
Utter tripe indeed. Give yourself a chokehold for that effort!

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There's a very good argument for Morris being the best winger of all time. Obviously there's some greats of the past but he has no weaknesses and has been doing it his entire career, now aged 34 which is insane for a winger.

Nah IMO. Everybody was capable of tackling in days gone by, these days tackling is optional.

I reckon defences are better than ever.... that's why it's all the more impressive what he's doing. He's up against 100kg physical freaks on the wing

Defences are better than ever? Don't tell anyone but have you seen our right edge defence the last 3 or 4 years? Inglis, Tedesco.....considered greats of the game but couldn't tackle to save themselves.
Langlands, Jack....back in the day when fullbacks could cover-defend. Nowadays fb's are just witches hats: that was why the RTS tackle last weekend was front page news.
BMOZ would've been bashed out of the sport by Peter Dimond.

LOL what utter tripe . Those guys are ringing wet 80kgs . The average winger is 100kg . The only thing that Peter Dimond would be getting is a concussion every off week. At no point in any 70s players career did they ever have to tackle a guy who can run the 40m in under 5 seconds , whilst weighing 115kg . Now there 5 in every pack , and sometimes a whole team of them .

Haha, accuse someone of 'utter tripe' then proceed to write a few paragraphs of utter tripe?. You reckon Peter Dimond was 80kgs? Ok.
Reg Gasnier, Ken Irvine (albeit both were centres) etc weren't absolute speedsters back in that era? Ok.
"Nowadays there are 5 players in the pack that can run 40m in under 5 seconds".?? Can you name that team for us all please???.
Utter tripe indeed. Give yourself a chokehold for that effort!

What are you talking about ? the biggest players in the game in the 70s were 100kg , max . And they were the front rowers . Yea I can for our team . Garner , Tuilagi , Uto , Chee Kam , Luci . Basically every forward , in the NRL is deceptively quick . Most , were backs at some point in the juniors .
At no point did any player in the 70s have to face a set of . Sivo , Fergo , lane , RCG , Junior Paulo , and then a kick . And you’re kidding yourself if you think that’s true. Yea they’d be able to defend it for the first 5 minutes . But the elite training methods of today , would mean that that barrage , would just keep happening for 80minutes , until the sheer amount of car crashes , you had to endure would be over whelming .

Let’s go to tactics , like bombing the ball to a fullback on his 10m line , so he gets to return it to a defensive line , who have a head of steam up . Every 2 minutes . And they whack him every time . There’s no way on earth any player from the 70s could endure that .
A full year or 2 of training and body development, of course . But that’s not what we are talking about .
A team from the 70s teleported to today , would get lapped by 100 points . If you don’t think so, then you’re on drugs .

I went to junior footy last year , and I’m 6 feet tall, and was about the right size for when I played . I saw an u16s game where the smallest kid on the field , was my height . And all had been lifting for years . So the next generation will be bigger , stronger , faster , again . Plus most kids play a variety of sports , which has been scientifically proven to develop more skill full sportsman .

 

[Tiger5150]

There's a very good argument for Morris being the best winger of all time. Obviously there's some greats of the past but he has no weaknesses and has been doing it his entire career, now aged 34 which is insane for a winger.

Nah IMO. Everybody was capable of tackling in days gone by, these days tackling is optional.

I reckon defences are better than ever.... that's why it's all the more impressive what he's doing. He's up against 100kg physical freaks on the wing

Defences are better than ever? Don't tell anyone but have you seen our right edge defence the last 3 or 4 years? Inglis, Tedesco.....considered greats of the game but couldn't tackle to save themselves.
Langlands, Jack....back in the day when fullbacks could cover-defend. Nowadays fb's are just witches hats: that was why the RTS tackle last weekend was front page news.
BMOZ would've been bashed out of the sport by Peter Dimond.

LOL what utter tripe . Those guys are ringing wet 80kgs . The average winger is 100kg . The only thing that Peter Dimond would be getting is a concussion every off week. At no point in any 70s players career did they ever have to tackle a guy who can run the 40m in under 5 seconds , whilst weighing 115kg . Now there 5 in every pack , and sometimes a whole team of them .

Haha, accuse someone of 'utter tripe' then proceed to write a few paragraphs of utter tripe?. You reckon Peter Dimond was 80kgs? Ok.
Reg Gasnier, Ken Irvine (albeit both were centres) etc weren't absolute speedsters back in that era? Ok.
"Nowadays there are 5 players in the pack that can run 40m in under 5 seconds".?? Can you name that team for us all please???.
Utter tripe indeed. Give yourself a chokehold for that effort!

What are you talking about ? the biggest players in the game in the 70s were 100kg , max . And they were the front rowers . Yea I can for our team . Garner , Tuilagi , Uto , Chee Kam , Luci . Basically every forward , in the NRL is deceptively quick . Most , were backs at some point in the juniors .
At no point did any player in the 70s have to face a set of . Sivo , Fergo , lane , RCG , Junior Paulo , and then a kick . And you’re kidding yourself if you think that’s true. Yea they’d be able to defend it for the first 5 minutes . But the elite training methods of today , would mean that that barrage , would just keep happening for 80minutes , until the sheer amount of car crashes , you had to endure would be over whelming .

Let’s go to tactics , like bombing the ball to a fullback on his 10m line , so he gets to return it to a defensive line , who have a head of steam up . Every 2 minutes . And they whack him every time . There’s no way on earth any player from the 70s could endure that .
A full year or 2 of training and body development, of course . But that’s not what we are talking about .
A team from the 70s teleported to today , would get lapped by 100 points . If you don’t think so, then you’re on drugs .

I went to junior footy last year , and I’m 6 feet tall, and was about the right size for when I played . I saw an u16s game where the smallest kid on the field , was my height . And all had been lifting for years . So the next generation will be bigger , stronger , faster , again . Plus most kids play a variety of sports , which has been scientifically proven to develop more skill full sportsman .

Just quietly, if Garry Jack was playing today, he would be playing and training under todays technology and methods.....

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There's a very good argument for Morris being the best winger of all time. Obviously there's some greats of the past but he has no weaknesses and has been doing it his entire career, now aged 34 which is insane for a winger.

Nah IMO. Everybody was capable of tackling in days gone by, these days tackling is optional.

I reckon defences are better than ever.... that's why it's all the more impressive what he's doing. He's up against 100kg physical freaks on the wing

Defences are better than ever? Don't tell anyone but have you seen our right edge defence the last 3 or 4 years? Inglis, Tedesco.....considered greats of the game but couldn't tackle to save themselves.
Langlands, Jack....back in the day when fullbacks could cover-defend. Nowadays fb's are just witches hats: that was why the RTS tackle last weekend was front page news.
BMOZ would've been bashed out of the sport by Peter Dimond.

LOL what utter tripe . Those guys are ringing wet 80kgs . The average winger is 100kg . The only thing that Peter Dimond would be getting is a concussion every off week. At no point in any 70s players career did they ever have to tackle a guy who can run the 40m in under 5 seconds , whilst weighing 115kg . Now there 5 in every pack , and sometimes a whole team of them .

Haha, accuse someone of 'utter tripe' then proceed to write a few paragraphs of utter tripe?. You reckon Peter Dimond was 80kgs? Ok.
Reg Gasnier, Ken Irvine (albeit both were centres) etc weren't absolute speedsters back in that era? Ok.
"Nowadays there are 5 players in the pack that can run 40m in under 5 seconds".?? Can you name that team for us all please???.
Utter tripe indeed. Give yourself a chokehold for that effort!

What are you talking about ? the biggest players in the game in the 70s were 100kg , max . And they were the front rowers . Yea I can for our team . Garner , Tuilagi , Uto , Chee Kam , Luci . Basically every forward , in the NRL is deceptively quick . Most , were backs at some point in the juniors .
At no point did any player in the 70s have to face a set of . Sivo , Fergo , lane , RCG , Junior Paulo , and then a kick . And you’re kidding yourself if you think that’s true. Yea they’d be able to defend it for the first 5 minutes . But the elite training methods of today , would mean that that barrage , would just keep happening for 80minutes , until the sheer amount of car crashes , you had to endure would be over whelming .

Let’s go to tactics , like bombing the ball to a fullback on his 10m line , so he gets to return it to a defensive line , who have a head of steam up . Every 2 minutes . And they whack him every time . There’s no way on earth any player from the 70s could endure that .
A full year or 2 of training and body development, of course . But that’s not what we are talking about .
A team from the 70s teleported to today , would get lapped by 100 points . If you don’t think so, then you’re on drugs .

I went to junior footy last year , and I’m 6 feet tall, and was about the right size for when I played . I saw an u16s game where the smallest kid on the field , was my height . And all had been lifting for years . So the next generation will be bigger , stronger , faster , again . Plus most kids play a variety of sports , which has been scientifically proven to develop more skill full sportsman .


Just quietly, if Garry Jack was playing today, he would be playing and training under todays technology and methods.....

I literally just said that . But that’s not what the hypothetical is . It’s the old time machine debate .
And it frustrates me , as any previous generation would be significantly worse than the current one , evolution of tactics , training methods , different body shapes, recruiting of Polynesian players and players of different backgrounds . It’s all relative is my point . If a dude was great in the 70s he was still great.
But the “langlands would chop players in half , because Of nostalgia and reasons” is not true . And I feel it’s said to diminish today’s athlete , as if inferior . When in actuality they are so far superior to anything offered by any previous generation, it’s laughable .

It’s all relative . Legends were legends for a reason. But let’s not get it twisted .

 

[happy_tiger]

There's a very good argument for Morris being the best winger of all time. Obviously there's some greats of the past but he has no weaknesses and has been doing it his entire career, now aged 34 which is insane for a winger.

Nah IMO. Everybody was capable of tackling in days gone by, these days tackling is optional.

I reckon defences are better than ever.... that's why it's all the more impressive what he's doing. He's up against 100kg physical freaks on the wing

Defences are better than ever? Don't tell anyone but have you seen our right edge defence the last 3 or 4 years? Inglis, Tedesco.....considered greats of the game but couldn't tackle to save themselves.
Langlands, Jack....back in the day when fullbacks could cover-defend. Nowadays fb's are just witches hats: that was why the RTS tackle last weekend was front page news.
BMOZ would've been bashed out of the sport by Peter Dimond.

LOL what utter tripe . Those guys are ringing wet 80kgs . The average winger is 100kg . The only thing that Peter Dimond would be getting is a concussion every off week. At no point in any 70s players career did they ever have to tackle a guy who can run the 40m in under 5 seconds , whilst weighing 115kg . Now there 5 in every pack , and sometimes a whole team of them .

Haha, accuse someone of 'utter tripe' then proceed to write a few paragraphs of utter tripe?. You reckon Peter Dimond was 80kgs? Ok.
Reg Gasnier, Ken Irvine (albeit both were centres) etc weren't absolute speedsters back in that era? Ok.
"Nowadays there are 5 players in the pack that can run 40m in under 5 seconds".?? Can you name that team for us all please???.
Utter tripe indeed. Give yourself a chokehold for that effort!

What are you talking about ? the biggest players in the game in the 70s were 100kg , max . And they were the front rowers . Yea I can for our team . Garner , Tuilagi , Uto , Chee Kam , Luci . Basically every forward , in the NRL is deceptively quick . Most , were backs at some point in the juniors .
At no point did any player in the 70s have to face a set of . Sivo , Fergo , lane , RCG , Junior Paulo , and then a kick . And you’re kidding yourself if you think that’s true. Yea they’d be able to defend it for the first 5 minutes . But the elite training methods of today , would mean that that barrage , would just keep happening for 80minutes , until the sheer amount of car crashes , you had to endure would be over whelming .

Let’s go to tactics , like bombing the ball to a fullback on his 10m line , so he gets to return it to a defensive line , who have a head of steam up . Every 2 minutes . And they whack him every time . There’s no way on earth any player from the 70s could endure that .
A full year or 2 of training and body development, of course . But that’s not what we are talking about .
A team from the 70s teleported to today , would get lapped by 100 points . If you don’t think so, then you’re on drugs .

I went to junior footy last year , and I’m 6 feet tall, and was about the right size for when I played . I saw an u16s game where the smallest kid on the field , was my height . And all had been lifting for years . So the next generation will be bigger , stronger , faster , again . Plus most kids play a variety of sports , which has been scientifically proven to develop more skill full sportsman .

Depends if you mean Under 5 secs for the 40 or 5.something for the 40

All would break 5. something for 40 ..that isn't that quick ...under 5 for the forty probably 60 % of them could .....

 

[Fade.To.Black]

There's a very good argument for Morris being the best winger of all time. Obviously there's some greats of the past but he has no weaknesses and has been doing it his entire career, now aged 34 which is insane for a winger.

Nah IMO. Everybody was capable of tackling in days gone by, these days tackling is optional.

I reckon defences are better than ever.... that's why it's all the more impressive what he's doing. He's up against 100kg physical freaks on the wing

Defences are better than ever? Don't tell anyone but have you seen our right edge defence the last 3 or 4 years? Inglis, Tedesco.....considered greats of the game but couldn't tackle to save themselves.
Langlands, Jack....back in the day when fullbacks could cover-defend. Nowadays fb's are just witches hats: that was why the RTS tackle last weekend was front page news.
BMOZ would've been bashed out of the sport by Peter Dimond.

LOL what utter tripe . Those guys are ringing wet 80kgs . The average winger is 100kg . The only thing that Peter Dimond would be getting is a concussion every off week. At no point in any 70s players career did they ever have to tackle a guy who can run the 40m in under 5 seconds , whilst weighing 115kg . Now there 5 in every pack , and sometimes a whole team of them .

Haha, accuse someone of 'utter tripe' then proceed to write a few paragraphs of utter tripe?. You reckon Peter Dimond was 80kgs? Ok.
Reg Gasnier, Ken Irvine (albeit both were centres) etc weren't absolute speedsters back in that era? Ok.
"Nowadays there are 5 players in the pack that can run 40m in under 5 seconds".?? Can you name that team for us all please???.
Utter tripe indeed. Give yourself a chokehold for that effort!

What are you talking about ? the biggest players in the game in the 70s were 100kg , max . And they were the front rowers . Yea I can for our team . Garner , Tuilagi , Uto , Chee Kam , Luci . Basically every forward , in the NRL is deceptively quick . Most , were backs at some point in the juniors .
At no point did any player in the 70s have to face a set of . Sivo , Fergo , lane , RCG , Junior Paulo , and then a kick . And you’re kidding yourself if you think that’s true. Yea they’d be able to defend it for the first 5 minutes . But the elite training methods of today , would mean that that barrage , would just keep happening for 80minutes , until the sheer amount of car crashes , you had to endure would be over whelming .

Let’s go to tactics , like bombing the ball to a fullback on his 10m line , so he gets to return it to a defensive line , who have a head of steam up . Every 2 minutes . And they whack him every time . There’s no way on earth any player from the 70s could endure that .
A full year or 2 of training and body development, of course . But that’s not what we are talking about .
A team from the 70s teleported to today , would get lapped by 100 points . If you don’t think so, then you’re on drugs .

I went to junior footy last year , and I’m 6 feet tall, and was about the right size for when I played . I saw an u16s game where the smallest kid on the field , was my height . And all had been lifting for years . So the next generation will be bigger , stronger , faster , again . Plus most kids play a variety of sports , which has been scientifically proven to develop more skill full sportsman .

I highly doubt Lucy, Stefano or Garner are that quick TBH. If they are I would implore them to demonstrate their pacy wares on gameday sometime.
Corey Thompson is a small bloke yet doesn't get carted off the field concussed every week from having to tackle all these behemoths. Daine Laurie? He takes these bombs you speak of and carries the ball into the heart of the defence. Tiny bloke, yet comes through unscathed. Pretty sure a hardman like Dimond would've been able to handle himself in today's game.
Comparing era's is pretty much pointless due to full-time professionalism, training methods etc but the blokes from yesteryear would go more than alright in today's bastardised version of RL.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There's a very good argument for Morris being the best winger of all time. Obviously there's some greats of the past but he has no weaknesses and has been doing it his entire career, now aged 34 which is insane for a winger.

Nah IMO. Everybody was capable of tackling in days gone by, these days tackling is optional.

I reckon defences are better than ever.... that's why it's all the more impressive what he's doing. He's up against 100kg physical freaks on the wing

Defences are better than ever? Don't tell anyone but have you seen our right edge defence the last 3 or 4 years? Inglis, Tedesco.....considered greats of the game but couldn't tackle to save themselves.
Langlands, Jack....back in the day when fullbacks could cover-defend. Nowadays fb's are just witches hats: that was why the RTS tackle last weekend was front page news.
BMOZ would've been bashed out of the sport by Peter Dimond.

LOL what utter tripe . Those guys are ringing wet 80kgs . The average winger is 100kg . The only thing that Peter Dimond would be getting is a concussion every off week. At no point in any 70s players career did they ever have to tackle a guy who can run the 40m in under 5 seconds , whilst weighing 115kg . Now there 5 in every pack , and sometimes a whole team of them .

Haha, accuse someone of 'utter tripe' then proceed to write a few paragraphs of utter tripe?. You reckon Peter Dimond was 80kgs? Ok.
Reg Gasnier, Ken Irvine (albeit both were centres) etc weren't absolute speedsters back in that era? Ok.
"Nowadays there are 5 players in the pack that can run 40m in under 5 seconds".?? Can you name that team for us all please???.
Utter tripe indeed. Give yourself a chokehold for that effort!

What are you talking about ? the biggest players in the game in the 70s were 100kg , max . And they were the front rowers . Yea I can for our team . Garner , Tuilagi , Uto , Chee Kam , Luci . Basically every forward , in the NRL is deceptively quick . Most , were backs at some point in the juniors .
At no point did any player in the 70s have to face a set of . Sivo , Fergo , lane , RCG , Junior Paulo , and then a kick . And you’re kidding yourself if you think that’s true. Yea they’d be able to defend it for the first 5 minutes . But the elite training methods of today , would mean that that barrage , would just keep happening for 80minutes , until the sheer amount of car crashes , you had to endure would be over whelming .

Let’s go to tactics , like bombing the ball to a fullback on his 10m line , so he gets to return it to a defensive line , who have a head of steam up . Every 2 minutes . And they whack him every time . There’s no way on earth any player from the 70s could endure that .
A full year or 2 of training and body development, of course . But that’s not what we are talking about .
A team from the 70s teleported to today , would get lapped by 100 points . If you don’t think so, then you’re on drugs .

I went to junior footy last year , and I’m 6 feet tall, and was about the right size for when I played . I saw an u16s game where the smallest kid on the field , was my height . And all had been lifting for years . So the next generation will be bigger , stronger , faster , again . Plus most kids play a variety of sports , which has been scientifically proven to develop more skill full sportsman .

I highly doubt Lucy, Stefano or Garner are that quick TBH. If they are I would implore them to demonstrate their pacy wares on gameday sometime.
Corey Thompson is a small bloke yet doesn't get carted off the field concussed every week from having to tackle all these behemoths. Daine Laurie? He takes these bombs you speak of and carries the ball into the heart of the defence. Tiny bloke, yet comes through unscathed. Pretty sure a hardman like Dimond would've been able to handle himself in today's game.
Comparing era's is pretty much pointless due to full-time professionalism, training methods etc but the blokes from yesteryear would go more than alright in today's bastardised version of RL.

Lol . You’ve just swung your arguement around to agree with me . There’s no way on earth any player from th 70s even with the training , and nothing else would be as good . These kids grow up wrestling , playing touch , basketball , study tape at 13 , are lifting weights at around the same time . Begin their supplement programs around 16, some even earlier , despite being told otherwise .
The kicking skills alone , are polars apart in a post Andrew Johns era . The simple bomb didn’t exist in that era , let alone bans kicks , floaters , mid field bombs , curling grubbers etc.

Look man , my favourite player of all time is Wayne Pearce , but he was not a big man . And you bring up Corey Thompson but he’s over 90 kgs . He’s the same weight as an average forward in that game. Also he can deadlift 180kg and bench 130 . So he’s strong AF.

This bastardised game is 10 times more taxing on your body Than any generation not this side of the Sydney games . It’s always old blokes who dribble this stuff . My father in law is the same . “It was tougher back then “ . Was it ? Dog punching someone in the back of the head when they’re getting up . Or eye gouging them in a scrum , is not tough . It’s not even tough in the UFC . To me it says I cant beat you fairly so I’m going to cheat .outside of the handbags at 15 paces , which is ridiculous, I have no respect for that type of game . Even though I was taught it as a kid , which was the 90s , so even then it was the occasional “run his head in the dirt “ level stuff .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There's a very good argument for Morris being the best winger of all time. Obviously there's some greats of the past but he has no weaknesses and has been doing it his entire career, now aged 34 which is insane for a winger.

Nah IMO. Everybody was capable of tackling in days gone by, these days tackling is optional.

I reckon defences are better than ever.... that's why it's all the more impressive what he's doing. He's up against 100kg physical freaks on the wing

Defences are better than ever? Don't tell anyone but have you seen our right edge defence the last 3 or 4 years? Inglis, Tedesco.....considered greats of the game but couldn't tackle to save themselves.
Langlands, Jack....back in the day when fullbacks could cover-defend. Nowadays fb's are just witches hats: that was why the RTS tackle last weekend was front page news.
BMOZ would've been bashed out of the sport by Peter Dimond.

LOL what utter tripe . Those guys are ringing wet 80kgs . The average winger is 100kg . The only thing that Peter Dimond would be getting is a concussion every off week. At no point in any 70s players career did they ever have to tackle a guy who can run the 40m in under 5 seconds , whilst weighing 115kg . Now there 5 in every pack , and sometimes a whole team of them .

Haha, accuse someone of 'utter tripe' then proceed to write a few paragraphs of utter tripe?. You reckon Peter Dimond was 80kgs? Ok.
Reg Gasnier, Ken Irvine (albeit both were centres) etc weren't absolute speedsters back in that era? Ok.
"Nowadays there are 5 players in the pack that can run 40m in under 5 seconds".?? Can you name that team for us all please???.
Utter tripe indeed. Give yourself a chokehold for that effort!

What are you talking about ? the biggest players in the game in the 70s were 100kg , max . And they were the front rowers . Yea I can for our team . Garner , Tuilagi , Uto , Chee Kam , Luci . Basically every forward , in the NRL is deceptively quick . Most , were backs at some point in the juniors .
At no point did any player in the 70s have to face a set of . Sivo , Fergo , lane , RCG , Junior Paulo , and then a kick . And you’re kidding yourself if you think that’s true. Yea they’d be able to defend it for the first 5 minutes . But the elite training methods of today , would mean that that barrage , would just keep happening for 80minutes , until the sheer amount of car crashes , you had to endure would be over whelming .

Let’s go to tactics , like bombing the ball to a fullback on his 10m line , so he gets to return it to a defensive line , who have a head of steam up . Every 2 minutes . And they whack him every time . There’s no way on earth any player from the 70s could endure that .
A full year or 2 of training and body development, of course . But that’s not what we are talking about .
A team from the 70s teleported to today , would get lapped by 100 points . If you don’t think so, then you’re on drugs .

I went to junior footy last year , and I’m 6 feet tall, and was about the right size for when I played . I saw an u16s game where the smallest kid on the field , was my height . And all had been lifting for years . So the next generation will be bigger , stronger , faster , again . Plus most kids play a variety of sports , which has been scientifically proven to develop more skill full sportsman .

Depends if you mean Under 5 secs for the 40 or 5.something for the 40

All would break 5. something for 40 ..that isn't that quick ...under 5 for the forty probably 60 % of them could .....

Nah I meant sub 5 . Like 4.8 type stuff . Not all of them could , that’s not what I’m saying , I’m merely saying the volume of relentless impact on your body akin to a car crash , is outrageous , especially if your not conditioned for it

 

[Geo]

laden or unladen..

 

[mike]

Mbye out in the field early talking with the Moses child & Gutherson (I think- had his back to me)

 

[hobbo1]

Mbye out in the field early talking with the Moses child.

Traitor