NSW Cup Team Announcement: Round 15

@pacman said:
Te Maire Martin is a real talent. If anything has shown more than Brooks/Moses in the lower grades.

He has been given far more time to develop then Brooks and Moses did.

Martin has played a full season and a half of NYC.

Im a big Martin fan. It will be tough deciding between the three of them in 12 months time (assuming Martin is re-signed).
 
Match Report: NSW Cup Round 15

Dan Talintyre (Twitter: @dantalintyre)
Sat 20th June, 04:53PM

Wests Tigers NSW Cup side have ended a run of four straight defeats with a 36-16 victory over the Newcastle Knights in their Round 15 clash at Campbelltown.

Boosted by the pre-game inclusion of 2014 NYC Five-Eighth of the Year, Te Maire Martin, for his NSW Cup debut, Wests Tigers would strike first blood through a familiar combination, with Martin finding Lamar Liolevave off a good short ball after six minutes.

Kurtis Rowe — taking over kicking duties for the injured Josh Drinkwater — added the extras off the post, giving the home side an early 6-0 lead after seven minutes of play.

Paul Fletcher’s side looked to have extended their lead just moments later when Liolevave grounded a grubber from Martin in-goal; however, the referee ruled the kick to have run long and the Junior Kiwi back-rower was not rewarded for his efforts.

Newcastle would hit back in the 17th minute when a back-line move caught Wests Tigers short on the far side, with Chanel Mata’utia sending Honeti Tuha over out wide.

Kerrod Holland was unable to add the extras, leaving the score at 6-4, but he would have a chance to quickly make up for his mistake with a break down the right wing, before linking back up on the inside with Jaelen Feeney, who raced away to score.

Holland converted to give the Knights a 10-6 lead after 20 minutes of play.

The visitors would extend their lead in the 28th minute when Feeney found Marvin Filipo close to the line with a flat pass that appeared close to forward.

Again, Holland had no problems with the extras and pushed the Knights’ lead to 16-6.

Wests Tigers would hit back in the 33rd minute through Martin, who collected the ball out the back before stepping and weaving his way through the line to score out wide.

Rowe nailed the tough conversion to reduce the margin to 16-12 after 35 minutes, which is how it would read at half-time despite late changes for both teams.

Fletcher’s side quickly picked up where they left-off after half-time, with a cross-field kick from Penani Manumalealli spilled by the Knights, allowing Hoeter to score the simplest of tries after 46 minutes. Matthew Woods took over the kicking duties from Rowe and had no problems converting to give the home side the lead once again.

Wests Tigers would extend their lead through Nathan Milone in the 49th minute in a passage of play that had to be seen to believe. With the kick allowed to bounce on last tackle, the home side kept the ball alive through a dozen sets of hands, before Lulia eventually found space on the left wing to send the youngster over in the corner.

Woods then nailed the sideline conversion to give Wests Tigers a 24-16 lead.

Following another error off a kick from the visitors, Fletcher’s side pushed even further in front thanks to a brilliant piece of skill from Rowe, who collected the ball out the back, before stepping on the inside of three defenders to somehow plant the ball down.

Woods’ successful conversion took Wests Tigers lead out to 30-16 after 61 minutes.

Having spent most of the second half in the Knights’ end of the field, the visitors would throw plenty at Wests Tigers in the final 20 minutes of the match but, despite a high penalty count, were unable to convert as errors continued to plague their attack.

In the end, it would be Martin who finished off the match for Wests Tigers in the 75th minute, with a show-and-go close to the line catching out some tired defenders for his second try of the night, with Woods adding the easy extras from in front of the posts.

That would give Wests Tigers a 36-16 lead, which is how it would read at full-time to give the home side their first win in five weeks and keep their finals aspirations alive.

Wests Tigers 36 (Martin 2, Liolevave, Hoeter, Milone, Rowe tries; Rowe 2/2 goals, Woods 4/4 goals) def. Newcastle Knights 16 (Tuha, Feeney, Filipo tries; Holland 2/2 goals).
 
The commentators who called the game made mention of the capacity of the club to produce outstanding you talent.

According to them, Woods, Tatola, Kharwin and Martin should all be kept in the NSW Cup rather than returned to the NYC team.

Martin and Woods are very special talents and Kharwin impressed with his willingness to engage physically in a very willing game. He took a heavy hit but recovered and one of his runs resulted in the Knights' hooker being taken from the field.

The Club must retain Martin as he is a special talent and allow him to develop his game. He was man of match via the radio commentary.

Fine and Rowe had great games as well.
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
The commentators who called the game made mention of the capacity of the club to produce outstanding you talent.

According to them, Woods, Tatola, Kharwin and Martin should all be kept in the NSW Cup rather than returned to the NYC team.

Martin and Woods are very special talents and Kharwin impressed with his willingness to engage physically in a very willing game. He took a heavy hit but recovered and one of his runs resulted in the Knights' hooker being taken from the field.

The Club must retain Martin as he is a special talent and allow him to develop his game. He was man of match via the radio commentary.

Fine and Rowe had great games as well.

Didn't watch the game , but well said

Welcome to the Forum mate , love the name
 
Thanks Happy. And Martin now is putting pressure on our two NRL halves which can only be a good thing for the club. Imagine Brooks having a stint in NSW Cup while Moses moves to half and Martin to 5/8.
 
(Imagine Brooks having a stint in NSW Cup while Moses moves to half and Martin to 5/8). I would like to see that. Even if it's for only one game. Welcome to the Forum mate , love the name as well.
 
Take a cold shower guys. He has had one game in NSW Cup. If he can put a run of form together for 4-6 weeks, maybe play him off the bench to give him a taste of where he needs to get to.
 
Will take more than a token couple of games in State Cup to keep Martin interested.

If people can, get out and see him and enjoy him our colours, it wont last long.
 
Just fantastic to see Kahrwin in State Cup already, he is the best wing prospect at the club by far.
 
@Pawsandclaws said:
Thanks Happy. And Martin now is putting pressure on our two NRL halves which can only be a good thing for the club. Imagine Brooks having a stint in NSW Cup while Moses moves to half and Martin to 5/8.

Would rather see Moses in NSWCup and Martin tried at 5/8 in Firsts.
Can he tackle????
 
The fact Kharwin played fullback shows that they're considering Rowe for the wing in the NRL this week. While Kharwin is the best wing prospect at the club he's not ready for NRL yet and needs more time, in NSW Cup, to develop.

In no universe it is possible that old man Lulia should get picked out of position on the wing ahead of Kharwin. But for this week keeping him in the side out of position for Rowe to get gametime on the wing rather than at the back makes sense.

I also wonder if people remember Moses scoring tries and getting 203 try assists, kicking 40/20s etc in NSW Cup?

Agree Martin, Kharwin and Woods should stay in NSW Cup. Tatola is young and hasn't done much and shouldn't be rushed. Let him try dominate the NYC before playing him up a grade.

Good for the boys to get a win. Martin was also hanging out with some of the NSW Cup boys the other day, Luani, Fine, Akauola, Fiagatusa, Graham. Hopefully he's been training with them a lot and forges more friendships at the club.

He's not going to be a starting player in the NRL for a year or so yet, he should be prepared to wait until he's ready rather than chasing the paycheck now.
 
@Balmain Boy said:
I also wonder if people remember Moses scoring tries and getting 203 try assists, kicking 40/20s etc in NSW Cup?

yes, he and Korobiete absolutely killed it. Scored on debut (Similar to Te Maire) . Kid's (Moses) got a big heart and tries anything. I remember he cost us in one game where he tried a short kick off against Mounties when the tigers were up by 4 I think. It failed. Next set Cornish throws a nice short ball and they win.

Truth of the matter is Moses is talented and will try anything.
 
@Balmain Boy said:
The fact Kharwin played fullback shows that they're considering Rowe for the wing in the NRL this week. While Kharwin is the best wing prospect at the club he's not ready for NRL yet and needs more time, in NSW Cup, to develop.

In no universe it is possible that old man Lulia should get picked out of position on the wing ahead of Kharwin. But for this week keeping him in the side out of position for Rowe to get gametime on the wing rather than at the back makes sense.

I also wonder if people remember Moses scoring tries and getting 203 try assists, kicking 40/20s etc in NSW Cup?

Agree Martin, Kharwin and Woods should stay in NSW Cup. Tatola is young and hasn't done much and shouldn't be rushed. Let him try dominate the NYC before playing him up a grade.

Good for the boys to get a win. Martin was also hanging out with some of the NSW Cup boys the other day, Luani, Fine, Akauola, Fiagatusa, Graham. Hopefully he's been training with them a lot and forges more friendships at the club.

He's not going to be a starting player in the NRL for a year or so yet, he should be prepared to wait until he's ready rather than chasing the paycheck now.

Actually Rowe was playing Fullback as you can see on the highlights and Kharwin playing right wing. Not sure if that means anything for this week.

http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2015/06/22/nsw_cup_match_highli.html
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
Thanks Happy. And Martin now is putting pressure on our two NRL halves which can only be a good thing for the club. Imagine Brooks having a stint in NSW Cup while Moses moves to half and Martin to 5/8.

Would rather see Moses in NSWCup and Martin tried at 5/8 in Firsts.
Can he tackle????

Have you ever seen him play?
 
@larrycorowa said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
@Pawsandclaws said:
Thanks Happy. And Martin now is putting pressure on our two NRL halves which can only be a good thing for the club. Imagine Brooks having a stint in NSW Cup while Moses moves to half and Martin to 5/8.

Would rather see Moses in NSWCup and Martin tried at 5/8 in Firsts.
Can he tackle????

Have you ever seen him play?

only glimpses in a couple on TV NYC games,
It was a genuine question, as I would be interested to see someone we have , who has talent as a 5/8 , and can tackle.
 
Both Moses and Brooks dominated the lower grades even more so than Martin.
They were thrown into permanent first grade spots before they would normally have been and plenty of people are bitching about their inconsistency - now there is a push to do the same thing to Martin.
We already have too many young heads in the team now and there is no way Martin is better (at this moment) than the two halves we are using now.
 
@cktiger said:
Both Moses and Brooks dominated the lower grades even more so than Martin.
They were thrown into permanent first grade spots before they would normally have been and plenty of people are [automatically edited] about their inconsistency - now there is a push to do the same thing to Martin.
We already have too many young heads in the team now and there is no way Martin is better (at this moment) than the two halves we are using now.

Great post CK, I haven't seen our current position summarised any better. Spot on in my opinion.

I do hope we manage to keep him though, but it looks unlikely.
 
@Tigersmurf said:
@cktiger said:
Both Moses and Brooks dominated the lower grades even more so than Martin.
They were thrown into permanent first grade spots before they would normally have been and plenty of people are [automatically edited] about their inconsistency - now there is a push to do the same thing to Martin.
We already have too many young heads in the team now and there is no way Martin is better (at this moment) than the two halves we are using now.

Great post CK, I haven't seen our current position summarised any better. Spot on in my opinion.

I do hope we manage to keep him though, but it looks unlikely.

Would be relevant if there was actually a push to play Martin in the top grade but there isnt, just a few guys on a forum.

**99% of people supporting him on here just want him to remain at the club.**

Ck and the like always makes it about Moses and Brooks,they are happy for Martin to go elsewhere.
 
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