NYC FW1 - Team List v Parramatta* Live Game Thread

[fergiefurr]

This year we don't have the big names of previous years and considering the likes of Papenhuyzen, Suli, Tatola, Felisse, Liddle, Marsters, Stone and Sironen have missed large parts of the year through injury/other grades to be in the second week of the finals is a massive effort.

Agree with Ink, don't rate Karwin at all. Sloppy defender, bad hands, deceptively slow and seems to have discipline issues.

Realistcally to me the only guys from today that are first grade prospects are Liddle, Marsters and Paeska. A few others like Giles and Mapeson probably decent NSW cup standard.

I think they'll beat the Cowboys next week but sadly have to play the panthers the week after

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Is Ray Stone going to Parra?

 

[fergiefurr]

Gotta say I couldn't be happier being wrong about Liddle. Last year I thought cherrington was a mile ahead of him. I only thought JL was good for a scoot after a quick play the ball. This year he has come along in leaps and bounds. I thought the comparison made in commentary between he and Cam Smith was spot on. Obviously not playing ability but in the way he seems to have so much time and sums up the game. For a guy of his size his defence is also very good. Wouldn't surprise if he is NRL rookie of the year next year.

 

[magpiecol]

He's a winger… Not the (c)... And not a team player
Be the player your team mates want to play with... Not the guy they think is a flog

Whoops, your bias is showing ink.

He is not as fast as some people think, but he is strong and his defence is improving. Might go ok in the second row and hunting our wide.

Every team in the under 20's ( and every grade from juniors to first grade) give the opposition a spray at every opportunity. If I have to explain why they do it then you do not know your league.
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[innsaneink]

What bias would that be col?

 

[king_sirro]

He's a winger… Not the (c)... And not a team player
Be the player your team mates want to play with... Not the guy they think is a flog

Whoops, your bias is showing ink.

He is not as fast as some people think, but he is strong and his defence is improving. Might go ok in the second row and hunting our wide.

Every team in the under 20's ( and every grade from juniors to first grade) give the opposition a spray at every opportunity. If I have to explain why they do it then you do not know your league.
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Theres been a lot of talk about him moving to the backrow but i dont see the need. Sure he isnt lightning fast but he's certainly quick enough for the wing. He's good under the high ball and could be another Tuiaki.

I do take note of what Ink is saying however and it needs to be monitored. The commentators made mention of him sooking if he doesn't score a try even when the team wins, thats concerning. Then, not long after that comment he made a break and kicked for himself to score rather then a simple pass inside to an unmarked man. Not good attitude that. Thankfully the inside man ended up getting to the ball first anyway.

Physically though he has impressed me. Takes the hard runs, takes high balls, defends well and can find the tryline.

 

[Winnipeg]

He's a winger… Not the (c)... And not a team player
Be the player your team mates want to play with... Not the guy they think is a flog

The flip side to that would be everyone's complaining about our 'play with your mates' culture.

If a player can perform who cares if he is a flog? A lot of Don Bardman's teammates hated him but he still scored a bucket of runs.

Maybe we let Kharwin try to back up his attitude in firsts, we might get a couple of decent seasons out of him before the storm come knocking :wink:

 

[Geo]

Jacob Liddle 65min 1 TRY 1 TRY Assist 2 Linebreaks 95m Run 31 Tackles 0 missed..

 

[Kavi]

Jacob Liddle 65min 1 TRY 1 TRY Assist 2 Linebreaks 95m Run 31 Tackles 0 missed..

He has arrived 😛ray: 😛ray: 😛ray:

 

[Guest]

Match Report: Holden Cup Elimination Final vs. Eels

Brock Corfe (Twitter: @Brock_Corfe)
Sun 11th September, 12:53PM
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Wests Tigers have turned in a dominant display in their Holden Cup Elimination Final today, demolishing Parramatta 54-24 at Allianz Stadium.

The Willie Peters’ coached side finished the season in sixth-place and subsequently ended the Eels’ season today with a ten-try effort.

Jacob Liddle, Obed Karwhin, Pio Sokobalava and Roman Ioelu were amongst the best performers, with the side now set to face the North Queensland Cowboys next weekend in another do-or-die match.

Two very early opportunities went begging for Wests Tigers, with Esan Marsters ruled offside from a grubber and Jakob Giles being denied moments later from another kick with a knock-on in the lead-up.

Parramatta made them pay soon after with left centre Atini Gafa snaring first points of the day from a short-ball close to the line.

Michael Doolan converted the try and the Eels went out to a 6-0 lead after just 11 minutes.

With Wests Tigers still on the back foot, Parramatta fullback Mason Cerruto spilled a cut-out pass right into the hands of Obed Karwhin who raced 90 metres down-field to score very much against the run of play.

Ioelu nailed the conversion from the sideline to even the scores at 6-all after 17 minutes.

Wests Tigers continued their roll-on down field, with Esan Marsters showing his strength to shake-off the Eels defender and throw a great pass to Ioelu who dived over in the corner.

The speedy winger was unable to convert his own try, however Wests Tigers went ahead for the first time 10-6 after 22 minutes.

On the very next set Karwhin was at it again, finding space down the flank and grubbering behind the fullback with his centre Toa Mata’afa diving on the loose ball to score a great try.

Ioelu’s conversion was again waved away from near touch, with Wests Tigers racing out to a 14-6 lead after 25 minutes of play.

Ioelu continued his strong involvement early in this match, this time showing great speed and agility to speed his way over the try-line and converted his own try to make it 20-6 after 30 minutes.

The one-way traffic continued when Mata’afa went in for his second try of the day, with some nice lead-up play from Sokobalava and Mark McCormack setting him up.

Ioelu converted the try with Wests Tigers holding a commanding 26-6 lead with just five minutes to play before the half-time break.

The momentum completely changed just before the break as the Eels ran in two very quick tries to claw their way back into the game, with Tuimavave Afualo and Cerruto scoring to peg it back to 26-18.

Wests Tigers came out in the second half with all guns blazing, with Daniel Roberts nailing a 40/20 and McCormack crashing over to score just two tackles later.

Ioelu added the two extra points with the conversion and Wests Tigers went out to a 32-18 lead.

From there, Wests Tigers went in for three consecutive tries to Tony Tali, Luke Sharpe and Liddle – all in the space of 12 minutes – to make it an overwhelming 48-18 scoreline after just 65 minutes.

Parramatta ran in a consolation try in the 71st minute, with Doolan scoring off a scrum for the Eels and converting his own try to make it 48-24.

Marsters put the icing on the cake in the 77th minute, strolling over for a try of his own on the left edge, as Ioelu’s conversion took the final score out to 54-24.

Wests Tigers 54 (Mata’afa 2, Ioelu 2, Karwhin, McCormack, Sharpe, Tali, Liddle, Marsters tries; Ioelu 7/10 goals) defeated Parramatta 24 (Afualo, Cerruto, Gafa, Doolan tries; Doolan 4/4 goals)

 

[southerntiger]

Gotta say I couldn't be happier being wrong about Liddle. Last year I thought cherrington was a mile ahead of him. I only thought JL was good for a scoot after a quick play the ball. This year he has come along in leaps and bounds. I thought the comparison made in commentary between he and Cam Smith was spot on. Obviously not playing ability but in the way he seems to have so much time and sums up the game. For a guy of his size his defence is also very good. Wouldn't surprise if he is NRL rookie of the year next year.

Like you, I rated Cherro well ahead of him. No I see them as being on par, albeit different players. Love being proven wrong.

The Smith comparison is a good one. I also see a lot of a young Robbie in Liddle, when Robbie used to play an up tempo, quick service game. Liddle's manner in quickly going the other way is very Robbie like.

 

[southerntiger]

He's a winger… Not the (c)... And not a team player
Be the player your team mates want to play with... Not the guy they think is a flog

Whoops, your bias is showing ink.

He is not as fast as some people think, but he is strong and his defence is improving. Might go ok in the second row and hunting our wide.

Every team in the under 20's ( and every grade from juniors to first grade) give the opposition a spray at every opportunity. If I have to explain why they do it then you do not know your league.
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Then, not long after that comment he made a break and kicked for himself to score rather then a simple pass inside to an unmarked man. Not good attitude that. Thankfully the inside man ended up getting to the ball first anyway.

And he seemed ecstatic about the try even if he didnt score it himself.

Im not sure what to think of him. He doesn't look fast but still manages to score a bucket of tries. His intercept try on the weekend was a gem. His ability to stay in and then skip away for 100m was impressive. Admittedly, the main chaser a lock forward but you don't see many players without speed score 100m tries.

He is probably up there with the likes of Mansour and Nofa for speed. His other attributes may be enough.

The arrogance I don't care about. That will either be sorted out with age or, as it is for Moses, be a benefit.

 

[Demps]

Ink is right, I saw Khawin play live a few times this year.
Think he's a big shot but he's pretty average…
Obvs he aimed up for the semis but I doubt he has what it takes for the NRL.
Would love to be proved wrong though.

 

[balmain boy]

I've seen Karwhin play maybe 30 odd times by now and i've never heard him have a go at a team mate. He is the most vocal player on the team, certainly, but it's also something we badly need. I hate how quiet teh team often is. We're letting a big lead slip and everyone standing around in silence with their heads down. That's toxic and will almost certainly lead to defeat.

The lack of leadership in the team is what often holds our squads back at all levels. I would certainly agree that he has an ego, but so do lots of players. I can't comment on his attitude at training as i've never seen this. He's not a perfect leader but he's the only one on the field verbally encouraging his team mates too.

On his pace, everyone has been saying how slow he is, and today was the first time in a long, long while that i've been able to see him in open space and he's certainly not slow. He's not JAC for sure, but he's at least as fast as Nofo, faster i'd say. He's decent under the high ball, has improved his defence and is right up there for the best finisher at the club.

I'd definitely be offering him a nsw cup contract for next season to see how he develops. He could potentially fill a big gap in our squad, but still has a fair way to to go too.
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Back on the team, it was a very good performance, save for the first few mins and the lapse before half time. Liddle and Paseka were very good. Roberts is a talent, and his 40/20 was the best kick from one of our halves this year.

I'd still like to see much more from Marsters. He runs the lines and has good strength and feet close to the opposition line but doesn't do enough of the hard yards for a player his size. Seem like a Liolevave type, doing the highlight reel stuff but not contributing enough in other aspects.

Considering we were without so many starting players we're doing really well. Half our pack and almost our entire backline have been missing for so long. If we had a full strength team we could easily win it. The fact we still might is a very positive sign.

Playing the Cowboys in Townsville on a hot and sunny afternoon will be extremely difficult though. Our record outside of NSW has been woeful this season and sadly I can't see us getting the win against a very strong cowboys team under those conditions.

 

[barra]

Jacob Liddle 65min 1 TRY 1 TRY Assist 2 Linebreaks 95m Run 31 Tackles 0 missed..

He has arrived 😛ray: 😛ray: 😛ray:

Reckon he would be enjoying going back to NYC level.

 

[tsjonathan]

**I've seen Karwhin play maybe 30 odd times by now and i've never heard him have a go at a team mate. He is the most vocal player on the team, certainly, but it's also something we badly need. I hate how quiet teh team often is.** We're letting a big lead slip and everyone standing around in silence with their heads down. That's toxic and will almost certainly lead to defeat.

The lack of leadership in the team is what often holds our squads back at all levels. I would certainly agree that he has an ego, but so do lots of players. I can't comment on his attitude at training as i've never seen this. He's not a perfect leader but he's the only one on the field verbally encouraging his team mates too.

On his pace, everyone has been saying how slow he is, and today was the first time in a long, long while that i've been able to see him in open space and he's certainly not slow. He's not JAC for sure, but he's at least as fast as Nofo, faster i'd say. He's decent under the high ball, has improved his defence and is right up there for the best finisher at the club.

I'd definitely be offering him a nsw cup contract for next season to see how he develops. He could potentially fill a big gap in our squad, but still has a fair way to to go too.
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Back on the team, it was a very good performance, save for the first few mins and the lapse before half time. Liddle and Paseka were very good. Roberts is a talent, and his 40/20 was the best kick from one of our halves this year.

I'd still like to see much more from Marsters. He runs the lines and has good strength and feet close to the opposition line but doesn't do enough of the hard yards for a player his size. Seem like a Liolevave type, doing the highlight reel stuff but not contributing enough in other aspects.

Considering we were without so many starting players we're doing really well. Half our pack and almost our entire backline have been missing for so long. If we had a full strength team we could easily win it. The fact we still might is a very positive sign.

Playing the Cowboys in Townsville on a hot and sunny afternoon will be extremely difficult though. Our record outside of NSW has been woeful this season and sadly I can't see us getting the win against a very strong cowboys team under those conditions.

I've seen him have a go at team mates a few times

 

[Goose]

He's a winger… Not the (c)... And not a team player
Be the player your team mates want to play with... Not the guy they think is a flog

Also has reputation for not being very coachable. Will be surprised if he plays much first grade.

 

[Goose]

I reckon Roberts and Sharpe a bit unsung at NYC level, both look good to me most times I see them.