NYC to be scrapped-league officials go back to drawing board

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The National Youth Competition is set to be scrapped as part of a massive overhaul of the pathways to NRL progression.
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The under-20s competition was ushered in with much fanfare in 2008, billed as the chance to showcase the best young talent in the game.
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But the Holden Cup will cease to exist when the current broadcast deal concludes at the end of 2017 and replaced by age-based competitions aligned with NSW and Queensland Cup teams.
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The ARLC has conducted extensive research on the current pathways to the elite level and there is a belief the NYC isn't serving as the best possible transition from elite junior to first grader.
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It's understood the new state-based competitions would feature under-18s and under-20s age groups, which would then feed talent through to the current open-age NSW and Queensland Cup competitions.
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The plan is for the champion team from each state to play off on grand final day, as will be the case when the VB Cup and Intrust Super Cup winners will for the first time in October.
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"That is certainly something we'll look at as part of the next broadcast rights agreement," an NRL spokesperson said.
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One of the problems plaguing the current NYC tournament is the exorbitant running costs.
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This round alone, six U20s teams – the Bulldogs, Tigers, Roosters, Eels, Raiders and Storm – will travel interstate, while the Sharks head across the Tasman to take on the Warriors.
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The travel and accommodation costs are a huge impost to clubs, many which are already struggling financially. Under the new system, there will be huge savings almost all games will be played along state lines.
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The overhaul will also address concerns that many talented youngsters were leaving the game if they didn't transition straight from NYC to the NRL.
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Another concern about the current system is that the best young players aren't on show in the under-20s anyways, as those poised to get a call up to first grade were being blooded against seasoned players in the NSW Cup to prepare them for the rigours of the big time.
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Even before the NYC was introduced, there were concerns that it wouldn't serve its purpose.
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Back in 2007, Des Hasler predicted it would be a "glorified SG Ball competition", with fellow coaches Wayne Bennett, Neil Henry and Ivan Cleary outspoken about their preference for blooding their gun juniors in the open-age competitions.
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Holden's sponsorship, along with broadcast commitments, mean there can be no changes for another two-and-a-half years. However, the ARLC believe the changes will further boost the profile of the state-based competitions while still giving broadcasters an attractive television product.
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NYC initiatives, such as the 'no work, no study, no play' edict, are likely to remain to ensure juniors have post-football careers to fall back on.
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One of the challenges for the League is than not every NRL club has its own NSW or Queensland Cup affiliate. Melbourne and Cronulla, for instance, both provide players for the Sharks' feeder club side.
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However, that situation could soon change as Cronulla are in negotiations to partner with Newtown from next season.
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The Jets' nine-year association with the Roosters will soon come to an end after the premiers opted to link with Wyong to give them a crack at the talent on the Central Coast.
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Cronulla CEO Steve Noyce has a good relationship with Jets officials from his time at the Roosters and there is a possibility a Sharks-Jets association could be formalised by the end of the week.
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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/national-youth-competition-to-be-scrapped-as-league-officials-go-back-to-the-drawing-board-20140809-1028og.html#ixzz39wylD8f5
 
Interesting.
The NYC wasn't a bad idea but it hasn't worked. The quality of players coming into top grade has gone downhill significantly. NYC players can;t defend to save themselves, and then take a year or three to get up to speed when they do get into 1sts. & the paths for those who mature a bit later just aren;t there.
It was a valid experiment but it's time has come.
 
I agree this is the way Forward, the best preparation these kids can have is playing Reserve Grade ( in old terms) playing against Men with open age is the best preparation for the NRL no doubt, a good read innsaneink, good find.
 
Good read Ink,interesting times ahead for the young players and officials…
Remember the old days of playing u/16 u/18 reserve grade and first grade ..all on the one afternoon ..

How times change,things seem to get more complicated as the game progresses..
As long as the solution they come up with benefits the young players and rugby league as a whole then I will support the change... :sign: :smiley:
 
Adding to my post,the thing with the old system of club football was that an exceptional u/18 player with great talent could transition straight to first grade and go on with his playing days in the top grade,some others were put into reserve grade to hone their skills..
The thing I thought was good..you had a mix of 1st grade reserve grade and u/18 all in reserve grade at times due mainly to injuries and the 18 s having to step up because of them getting older,in a way everyone benefitted..
When I played in reserves in group 9,and you had a first grade player coming back from injury and he played along side of you,the difference in the play was unreal ..

OK end of reminiscing,but interesting all the same… :smiley: :sign:
 
I would of thought the easiest solution was to change NYC from Under 20's to Under 22

It gives players more of chance to develop their games and still be dropped to a level with less intensity if they struggle to cope

It would also help to lessen the gulf between NYC and NRL

How you get over the hotel and travel costs would be the main issues

Would it be that hard for the NRL to buy unit blocks somewhere in Sydney for all the players to stay at for travelling sides

Maybe split the comp into two groups (North and South ) and they take the two top 4 sides from each group
 
@happy tiger said:
I would of thought the easiest solution was to change NYC from Under 20's to Under 22

It gives players more of chance to develop their games and still be dropped to a level with less intensity if they struggle to cope

It would also help to lessen the gulf between NYC and NRL

How you get over the hotel and travel costs would be the main issues

Would it be that hard for the NRL to buy unit blocks somewhere in Sydney for all the players to stay at for travelling sides

Maybe split the comp into two groups (North and South ) and they take the two top 4 sides from each group

it doesn't create a proper transition for players though. Which is the premier comp, NSW Cup or NYC? Obviously, NSW Cup is far more physical, even if you up it to U22s and coaches will use it as such. But, it is often shafted for NYC.

I agree, it probably needs an overhaul. But, the attraction of being able to play in a high class televised comp like the NYC still needs to be there, especially for young union players the NRL is trying to bring in.
 
@TrueTiger said:
Good read Ink,interesting times ahead for the young players and officials…
Remember the old days of playing u/16 u/18 reserve grade and first grade ..all on the one afternoon ..

How times change,things seem to get more complicated as the game progresses..
As long as the solution they come up with benefits the young players and rugby league as a whole then I will support the change... :sign: :smiley:

I reckon every Nrl match should have two lower grades on before it(at least).They want people to go to the games well lets make it a full day experience like the good old days of 1st,2nd and 3rd grade.Used to love when the bench warmers for 3rd grade came on and they were wearing jersey numbers like 52 or 55\. :laughing: :laughing:
 
@Jerry Seinfeld said:
@TrueTiger said:
Good read Ink,interesting times ahead for the young players and officials…
Remember the old days of playing u/16 u/18 reserve grade and first grade ..all on the one afternoon ..

How times change,things seem to get more complicated as the game progresses..
As long as the solution they come up with benefits the young players and rugby league as a whole then I will support the change... :sign: :smiley:

I reckon every Nrl match should have two lower grades on before it(at least).They want people to go to the games well lets make it a full day experience like the good old days of 1st,2nd and 3rd grade.Used to love when the bench warmers for 3rd grade came on and they were wearing jersey numbers like 52 or 55\. :laughing: :laughing:

Yeah that was OK when many of the sides were Sydney based

I just don't think many teams outside of Sydney could afford to have 55 players travelling and accommodation costs
 
@Yes I agree Hap,it comes down to affordability and a well organised structure to accommodate them all.But I think they will work on a solution that is in the best interest of Rugby League,the Players and supporters..
In reality it is the young ones that will carry the flag into the future,the officialdom has to do what's best for them and the game..cheers mate.. :smiley: :sign:
 
So the messiah's idea is going to be scrapped. Phil Gould's golden child event.

Well how is the find and produce a halfback idea going? From his thoughts that there are not many proper halfbacks coming through.

Changes to the interchange are the only real hope, make sure that those huge big buggers get tired and let the little men do their stuff.

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Well this is hardly the most concrete of sources, so why knows…

I don't see too many problems at all with the current system. The NRL wants to be a national comp then they need to have national comps at senior and junior level. They have to cover the costs of flights and accomm for NYC as part of the development process. Get young players used to travelling, playing under different conditions.

The reserve grade still exists..!?? Yop young players can stil be brought into the world of playing with adults and bypass NYC idf the coach wants them too. For the kids who aren't big/good enough yet they have NYC. For the other kids they play NSW/QLD Cup!

No problems at all, except for the NRL wanting to save some cash by treating junior footy like a local comp rather than a national one.

Also if the A-League can afford a youth league without any sponsorship or tv right, why can't the NRL??
 
It is a horrible decision from a player welfare situation.

One of the challenges of professionalism in our game is the development years (also creates depth challenges once a side runs out of full time players and brings in part time players, but that is a whole other issue)

If we want people to make rugby league their career, they need to start when every other kid is starting their career at 19 or 20\. If they are not going to make it, which most wont, we need to let them get on with their lives.

In the early years of full time professionals, loads of guys battled on to their mid to late 20's chasing the dream putting their lives on hold, it is a real problem.

Although delaying the steps by running players through under age than reserve grade may be better for football development it ruins players who miss out lives.

Unless they have full time reserve grade squads who are paid accordingly (which the game cant support) we re doing alot of player a dis-service.

Having a part time reserve grade wont solve the depth problem anyway (which is the aim) soon as a side brings in a part time player whether they be from NYC or Reserve grade they will never be as good as player who trains 5 days a week for a living.

At least in the current system the 19 and 20 year olds who try and go full time can either make it or not and commence a career and have a normal life.
 
I'm a strong advocate of the NYC competition …...... the problem is there is no worthwhile competition in between NYC and first grade ...... thats where they should be pooling their resources.
 
@Knuckles said:
I'm a strong advocate of the NYC competition …...... the problem is there is no worthwhile competition in between NYC and first grade ...... thats where they should be pooling their resources.

Totally agree with that perspective. NYC is not the problem it's the gap between NYC and first grade that is the issue. There needs to be a comp in-between, aligned with the NRL Clubs.
 
I've always liked this competition and hopefully it won't go.
The Cowboys have just signed Tod Payten as U20's Coach,so its great to see a former WT
great coming north.Good luck to Tod
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