Our Injuries

Flippedy

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I wonder just how much our injuries are really affecting our performances this year. Sure it's a big toll and they are part of the problem affecting team cohesion/morale etc, but can they really be seen as the major reason for the team's poor showings and last place standing, as the media keep on leading us to believe? Both Penrith and Canberra have had a comparative amount of injuries, yet they have managed to remain competitive and they appear to be growing stronger each week.

Once again, I think it's the injury to Galloway that has had the most detrimental effect on the team. Lawrence, Ayshford, Anasta and Moltzen weren't really doing a lot before they went down, although Anasta did look much better when he switched to half. Bell was going ok, but I doubt his presence would've made too much of a difference over the past month or so. I do think we may have seen a different side this year if Galloway and Woods could've been there taking it up together each week. Or perhaps the team's problems are much bigger than simply losing players to injury? Will we really see an improved side when everyone is back on deck?
 
I think it runs alot deeper than the injuries, although they didnt help and most likely further exposed the underlying issues. For a long time we have had a team that limped through games/seasons off good luck and quality players toiling without proper cohesion and direction. Our squads while never world-beating were also rarely if ever tapped to full potential.

This season has just highlighted that we dont have basic structures both offensively and defensively and roles broken down to suit, if we did have such platforms to work from, slipping in players would have been alot smoother.
 
although injuries are not excuse it does explain alot on why we are struggling. what should be happening is looking at why every year we have such a monstrous injury toll. every year without fail.
what gets me is instead of giving a U20 player a go we use players out of position and players who clearly dont work.

1\. Tedesco should of been fullback from game one.
2\. throw brooks into the deep end. we need a half back!!!
3\. centres are injured throw in a couple of newbies.. make the other boys work for the position after injury.. get some love for the jersey back
4\. maybe utilize a rotation policy like the wanderers did. stops injuries occuring as much, it makes you play your butt off to keep your jersey and it gives the younger guys more experience.

when injuries occur in good old tiger land we tend to throw together failed projects and discard combinations are much as the australian cricket team does with spin bowlers. First thing first. nothing just happens straight away. it takes time and i hope potter sees this….. PATIENCE!!!!
Miller is gonna come back to the nrl one day a better player and bloody melbourne or manly will sign him.
 
I think injuries, especially when there are so many of them, are definitely a contributing factor to the run of losses. Not because any individual player is out, but because of the effect on team stability. The Tigers can't build structure, or get to know each others playing style when there are so many shifts on a weekly basis. Also, the coach can't build a game plan and see it's results form week to week when there are so many changes. He can't see who is performing well or otherwise in a stable situation. Under performing players can 'hide' in the relative confusion of the shifting team structure.

I don't believe it is quite as simple as that and I do think there are other underlying issues (how would you like to be an average paid player busting a gut in a team with under performing overpaid show-ponies?) but that's where it starts. On the plus side, several juniors are getting a shot at run-on jerseys. That has to be a good thing.
 
It ruins combinations and cohesion as we saw against the dogs and sharks. Rewatch the Eels 1st half. LIKE CLOCKWORK. even when we played storm we weren't that together, we managed to edge em out by 60min through luck and determination.

The players we are really missing are Galloway, Braith, Ayshford and Moltzen. Moltz can make a break and was an integral part of most combinations. But still, i dont really want him here next year cause we can make new combos then.
 
Exactly, every week we've had 2-3 players minimum in new positions

There's a case for persisting with the same team even though some are struggling. At least give things a few weeks to click.
 
EXCUSES EXCUSES! I have been thinking the same thing - seriously, what do these injured players have to offer?

Braith Anasta
Blake Ayshford
Chris Lawrence
Matt Bell
Keith Galloway
Lote Tuqiri
Tim Moltzen

No impact, aging, out of form, broken.

This club's recruitment is a sham, we must be the laughing stock of the league.
 
@ragedmachine said:
EXCUSES EXCUSES! I have been thinking the same thing - seriously, what do these injured players have to offer?

Braith Anasta
Blake Ayshford
Chris Lawrence
Matt Bell
Keith Galloway
Lote Tuqiri
Tim Moltzen

No impact, aging, out of form, broken.

This club's recruitment is a sham, we must be the laughing stock of the league.

booooommmmm !!!, although i do think we are really missing the sauce. too injury prone so i guess he meets the broken category. as i have said on other threads the clean out at seasons end is a must. too many good young players deserving of an opportunity just to be continually overlooked.
 
@Blackpearl said:
@ragedmachine said:
EXCUSES EXCUSES! I have been thinking the same thing - seriously, what do these injured players have to offer?

Braith Anasta
Blake Ayshford
Chris Lawrence
Matt Bell
Keith Galloway
Lote Tuqiri
Tim Moltzen

No impact, aging, out of form, broken.

This club's recruitment is a sham, we must be the laughing stock of the league.

booooommmmm !!!, although i do think we are really missing the sauce. too injury prone so i guess he meets the broken category. as i have said on other threads the clean out at seasons end is a must. too many good young players deserving of an opportunity just to be continually overlooked.

There is one massive difference with their replacements. Experience! Their replacements are nrl rookies with between 5-15 games experience. Just because a player has potential doesn't mean he's any good now. That's obvious. None of our rookies have actually look any better than average to this point. Some like Tedesco, Sironen, Koroibete, Sue and Buchanan have shown they've got something a little more about them which will lead them to become above average first graders. The rest is up to them.

Developing first graders isn't as simple as throwing a bunch in and let their talents shine. We do that and we'll sink as we have been lately. As soon as those experienced guys are fit again, they will return and we will become a better side for it. As for the young guys. It's not about this season for them. All you ask of them this season is for improvement and valuable experience which holds them in good stead for the future.
 
Round one we got a touch up with from memory only Woods missing, the writing was on the wall for all to see at the back end of 2012 that this club was on a very speedy downward spiral
 
@ragedmachine said:
EXCUSES EXCUSES! I have been thinking the same thing - seriously, what do these injured players have to offer?

Braith Anasta
Blake Ayshford
Chris Lawrence
Matt Bell
Keith Galloway
Lote Tuqiri
Tim Moltzen

No impact, aging, out of form, broken.

This club's recruitment is a sham, we must be the laughing stock of the league.

other then matty bell and lawrence i whole heartly agree. lawrence despite being injury prone on his game is fantastic and matty bell has been a great buy. but the rest, dump em and start again.
 
@ragedmachine said:
EXCUSES EXCUSES! I have been thinking the same thing - seriously, what do these injured players have to offer?

Braith Anasta
Blake Ayshford
Chris Lawrence
Matt Bell
Keith Galloway
Lote Tuqiri
Tim Moltzen

No impact, aging, out of form, broken.

This club's recruitment is a sham, we must be the laughing stock of the league.

They offer experience

The alternative is ineperience, Koro throwing hospital passes ingoal to Benji who misses it, gets injured and they score
 
@innsaneink said:
@ragedmachine said:
EXCUSES EXCUSES! I have been thinking the same thing - seriously, what do these injured players have to offer?

Braith Anasta
Blake Ayshford
Chris Lawrence
Matt Bell
Keith Galloway
Lote Tuqiri
Tim Moltzen

No impact, aging, out of form, broken.

This club's recruitment is a sham, we must be the laughing stock of the league.

They offer experience

The alternative is ineperience, Koro throwing hospital passes ingoal to Benji who misses it, gets injured and they score

definitely, see where you were coming from with keeping Utai after Round 1 although i still think dropping him was the better option. Too much inexperience is NOT good, a little bit is fine. Blooding 2-3 backs at a time is pretty much the max. For mine, i'd pick Tedesco, Koroibete and Simona (in a full strength side) with Braith at 7\. But, when you have like 10 newbies in the squad…especially when they've been thrown in last minute and haven't been playing together in the offseason or very little in the season. Things start to go wrong.
 
@shane2801 said:
Anasta brings plenty.

I agree with that. When he moved to halfback we were competitive against the Storm in Melbourne and nearly got the dragons at the SCG when he was injured late in the game. His better years might be behind him but I think with his experience he can offer something when he is back. I thought Matt Bell was going well before he got hurt. His return could be very handy also.
 

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