Paris under Terrorist attacks

[hammertime]

The problem is that the Lefties will drag this on… criticizing the amount of force used and how stringent our targeting methods must be so we don't hurt innocents who have decided to stick around in a war zone.

What happens if these guys get a nuke? The longer it drags on, the greater chance they'll up their game to bigger heights.

 

[hammertime]

Is there a Syria thread? Nigeria? Lebanon? Yemeni? Palestinian (over 100 people die there everyday right?)?

I think its really sad we only react to what is sold to us by the powers to be… As I stated earlier, IS have killed more Muslims than any other religion combined but no one is jumping up and down.

There's footage this morning of people wounded and dying from the French bombing Syria but that's not important.

Ok, and how did Assad respond to Paris? Do you really think they have any bleeding hearts over there towards them?

This softness is what weakens us. It's fine when you are dealing with the rational, but that does not include people who want to use a old book as rationale to bomb innocents.

 

[hammertime]

Well if you want to toe the official line with 9/11, there were actually a few motives for it if you dig deep enough. The US' military presence in Saudi Arabia, the US' support of Israel and sanctions that had been imposed on Iraq were all potential motives.

The motives for Charlie Hebdo are pretty well known, with their vulgar cartoons of Muhammad. One cartoon they actually mocked a little Syrian girl who had drowned in the ocean. So while that act was heinous and they didn't deserve it, they weren't exactly innocent bystanders.

I don't have a solution. I just know that bombing isn't the solution as it doesn't fix the issue, it just inflames it.

You actually think any of those are justifiable motives for ramming some planes into a tower or massacring a office that drew a cartoon? Keep finding ways to blame the victims mate…

 

[Tiger_Watto]

The problem is that the Lefties will drag this on… criticizing the amount of force used and how stringent our targeting methods must be so we don't hurt innocents who have decided to stick around in a war zone.

What happens if these guys get a nuke? The longer it drags on, the greater chance they'll up their game to bigger heights.

undoubtedly… From all reports I have read and watched on video of this mob [mostly non-commercial media], they would stop at nothing but to get a bigger gun to get there point across.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Well if you want to toe the official line with 9/11, there were actually a few motives for it if you dig deep enough. The US' military presence in Saudi Arabia, the US' support of Israel and sanctions that had been imposed on Iraq were all potential motives.

The motives for Charlie Hebdo are pretty well known, with their vulgar cartoons of Muhammad. One cartoon they actually mocked a little Syrian girl who had drowned in the ocean. So while that act was heinous and they didn't deserve it, they weren't exactly innocent bystanders.

I don't have a solution. I just know that bombing isn't the solution as it doesn't fix the issue, it just inflames it.

You actually think any of those are justifiable motives for ramming some planes into a tower or massacring a office that drew a cartoon? Keep finding ways to blame the victims mate…

You asked for motives, i gave them to you. I wasn't justifying them.

 

[Chris]

This is what you get with political correctness….

https://www.facebook.com/dino.constantinou.9/videos/10152480384712716/?fref=nf

 

[Tiger_Watto]

GNR, US foreign policy in the Middle East & Europe is no doubt a major factor in the motives of some extremists, but by no means should it be a reason to kill innocent people. I think its time for the world to stand up to the US and tell them to butt-out and get there own country in order. There constant attempts to influence regime change by arming small militants is a disgrace, and no doubt contributes to the motives which are making the world a very un-safe environment. One would think they learnt from Vietnam in the 70's & Afghanistan in the 80's, but it appears they are too ignorant?!

When you look at the Hedbo situation, while they were very foolish and disrespectful, again they didnt deserve to have people sprayed across walls. The French Government should of censored them, but instead allowed them to continue with there disrespectful approach.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The problem is that the Lefties will drag this on… criticizing the amount of force used and how stringent our targeting methods must be so we don't hurt innocents who have decided to stick around in a war zone.

What happens if these guys get a nuke? The longer it drags on, the greater chance they'll up their game to bigger heights.

I criticise the amount of force because it's been done before without success (Iraq/Afghanistan.) If tactically bombing key targets (note, key targets,) is a necessity so be it, but another all out ground war is futile. The minute we leave something bigger steps into the void and a hell of a lot of disenfranchised civilians are ready to throw their hands up to be a part of it. This is the fallout from Iraq.

Until we call our "allies" the Saudis into account for their efforts in financing the spread of Wahhabism this is all pointless. We backed the wrong horse on this one by following the Yanks and Saudis against Assad. Disrupt their finances and those fighting against them like the Syrian government and the Kurdish have a sporting chance. I'm all for wiping these guys out, but attacking them effectively doesn't necessarily involve carpet bombing urban areas and sending thousands of allied soldiers to their deaths, it's senseless. Cripple their financial streams and then clean them up. They can't fight effectively if they can't fuel up their brand new Toyotas and buy ammo for their Kalashnikovs.

Don't believe for a second that because I think there is an alternative to an all out war that I don't want to see the same outcome as you, which is IS vanquished.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Australia gets it foreign M/E foreign policy set Israel - that is how pathetic we are. We could not even vote for the Palestinian flag to be flown outside the UN. etc etc. Carr, as foreign minister, had to take on PM Gilard to vote in a decent manner. How many Aust govt and NSW govt announcements are made in the Australia-Israel Chamber of Commerce!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Well if you want to toe the official line with 9/11, there were actually a few motives for it if you dig deep enough. The US' military presence in Saudi Arabia, the US' support of Israel and sanctions that had been imposed on Iraq were all potential motives.

The motives for Charlie Hebdo are pretty well known, with their vulgar cartoons of Muhammad. One cartoon they actually mocked a little Syrian girl who had drowned in the ocean. So while that act was heinous and they didn't deserve it, they weren't exactly innocent bystanders.

I don't have a solution. I just know that bombing isn't the solution as it doesn't fix the issue, it just inflames it.

You actually think any of those are justifiable motives for ramming some planes into a tower or massacring a office that drew a cartoon? Keep finding ways to blame the victims mate…

Kinda like justifying invading a sovereign nation and wiping out an estimated 145,000 civilians under the guise of WMD's when they had SFA to do with the terrorist attack on the WTC. Whether you like it or not, the USA has been pivotal in giving the fuel to create the fire that is ISIS. Our allies.

 

[westTAHger]

Any innocent life that is lost, is one life too many.
No one wins in war, or these types of attacks.

 

[hammertime]

Well if you want to toe the official line with 9/11, there were actually a few motives for it if you dig deep enough. The US' military presence in Saudi Arabia, the US' support of Israel and sanctions that had been imposed on Iraq were all potential motives.

The motives for Charlie Hebdo are pretty well known, with their vulgar cartoons of Muhammad. One cartoon they actually mocked a little Syrian girl who had drowned in the ocean. So while that act was heinous and they didn't deserve it, they weren't exactly innocent bystanders.

I don't have a solution. I just know that bombing isn't the solution as it doesn't fix the issue, it just inflames it.

You actually think any of those are justifiable motives for ramming some planes into a tower or massacring a office that drew a cartoon? Keep finding ways to blame the victims mate…

Kinda justifying invading a sovereign nation and wiping out an estimated 145,000 civilians under the guise of WMD's when they had SFA to do with the terrorist attack on the WTC. Neither side is blameless here.

Missing the initial point CB. Was saying that you can't use America's brain snap with the Iraq war as justification for terrorism. The planes were run into the buildings before that.

Nor can you use France bombing ISIS as the catalyst for Charlie Hebdo. That happened after that.

So my point was, the western world aren't the antagonists here. While America did invade Iraq incorrectly, Afghanistan was just. Western society is the victim here, not the culprit.

I find it amazing that we have to argue this in our country - that in itself shows how far more globally and socially responsible than these dumb dropkicks.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Politics is my passion but it is so depressing lets back to poor Robbie

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Well if you want to toe the official line with 9/11, there were actually a few motives for it if you dig deep enough. The US' military presence in Saudi Arabia, the US' support of Israel and sanctions that had been imposed on Iraq were all potential motives.

The motives for Charlie Hebdo are pretty well known, with their vulgar cartoons of Muhammad. One cartoon they actually mocked a little Syrian girl who had drowned in the ocean. So while that act was heinous and they didn't deserve it, they weren't exactly innocent bystanders.

I don't have a solution. I just know that bombing isn't the solution as it doesn't fix the issue, it just inflames it.

You actually think any of those are justifiable motives for ramming some planes into a tower or massacring a office that drew a cartoon? Keep finding ways to blame the victims mate…

Kinda justifying invading a sovereign nation and wiping out an estimated 145,000 civilians under the guise of WMD's when they had SFA to do with the terrorist attack on the WTC. Neither side is blameless here.

Missing the initial point CB. Was saying that you can't use America's brain snap with the Iraq war as justification for terrorism. The planes were run into the buildings before that.

Nor can you use France bombing ISIS as the catalyst for Charlie Hebdo. That happened after that.

So my point was, the western world aren't the antagonists here. While America did invade Iraq incorrectly, Afghanistan was just. Western society is the victim here, not the culprit.

I find it amazing that we have to argue this in our country - that in itself shows how far more globally and socially responsible than these dumb dropkicks.

Uhhhhhh I didn't say terrorism is justified due to the invasion of Iraq? Yeah, the planes did hit the building first but how was Saddam or Iraq complicit in it? From what I remember the Saudi funded al-Qaeda were responsible for that. I put to you how is 9/11 justification for 145,000 Iraqi civilian deaths when they had nothing to do with it? Ya know, like the French and Charlie Hebdo as you posed?

It doesn't matter anyway, ISIS is just a figment of our imagination. Remember that War on Terror against al-Qaeda we had? Mission accomplished IIRC.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

9/11 was done by Mr bin Laden, part of Taliban. Whom were financed etc by America to oppose USSR puppets in Afghanistan. After getting rid of USSR they then turned on their backers the USA - the rest is history

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Just seen a young Aussie girl return home from Paris. And what is the first thing the reporters do after the most traumatic experience of her life? Stick a camera in her face and have her recount the whole event while in tears. The media staying classy as usual.

 

[Tigermama]

Any innocent life that is lost, is one life too many.
No one wins in war, or these types of attacks.

Well said Tah! Governments, Corporations etc. must stop the me, me, me at any cost "self interest" and start being interested in global-unity.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

The USSR was dragging Afghanistan kicking and screaming into the 20th century

 

[eyewonder]

thankyou tigerdave with your link to the definition of caliphate.

so if their aim is to take over the world and kill anyone who doesnt believe in the koran,i think the time for sitting on our hands is over.

perhaps isis needs to reflect on the things the western world is useful for- medicine,electricity,technology,transport,food etc

certainly blowing up things and killing innocent people is their forte- nothing else.

if it was my son,daughter,mother or father who has been a victim of terrorism i wouldnt be lighting candles and singing warm fuzzy songs at community vigils.

i would want retribution.

right wing view, of course but i think im part of a growing silent minority.

 

[Tigerdave]

On August 04, 2015, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma,
(Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:

In Russia, live like Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, it should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslim's then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law.
Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of Sharia Law and Muslims.
When this honourable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslims Minorities Are Not Russians. The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.

First off, that speech never happened

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/putinduma.asp

This is a stance we should have taken back in the 80's. No, instead we allow imbeciles like Bob Brown and his moronic Green mates protect these evil bastards we have in Australia now. I'll bet anything that there wont be any terrorist attacks on Russian soil by ISIS or any Islamic groups.

Secondly, it's the kids of people who came out, those who were actually born in Western countries that have mostly gone over to fight and or support ISIS.

Thirdly, there's been Muslims living in this country since the 19th century, there's never been any real problems until recently.

Fourthly, there has certainly been terrorist attacks on Russian soil, mostly linked to Chechen rebels, who are…............Islamic