Pascoe Held to Account

[happy_tiger]

Pascoe can only give his opinion on signings the power of veto for large contracts is done by the board. who consider the recommendations..

The value/length of contracts is done by the Coach, Recruiter and manager of football operations..

The business side of the Club achieving self sustainability is moving forward..

So he is another protected species then

Tell me then ..should we get excited because we will finish higher than 8th in the self sustainability premiership for 2020

Where are the finals for that held ....imagine a packed BankWest watching that GF .....WOW .....hang on ...let me breathe ...let me breathe


Tell

 

[Russell]

Pascoe has overseen some shocking over priced contracts which has kept us in a bad salary cap state.


Madge can and should take blame for Joey and Dohehi but Pascoe has not had to answer for the recruitment decision he has been a part of as the CEO.

Maybe it's time a new CEO is looked at ?

Take blame for Doueihi? What's he done wrong? Been one of our most consistent this year.

Is he playing at a level a 650k player should be performing at ? No

Souffs are paying part of that.

Raiders are paying part of Joeys.

Keep up - you are living in the past.

 

[Russell]

Pascoe can only give his opinion on signings the power of veto for large contracts is done by the board. who consider the recommendations..

The value/length of contracts is done by the Coach, Recruiter and manager of football operations..

The business side of the Club achieving self sustainability is moving forward..

Did you read that Big Tooled Tiger - hope so, could have saved you starting a thread about nothing.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

From the threads I've read so far CEO is being held responsible for the signing of players this is the greatest load of crap ever if this was the case we would go through more coaches than players .Coaches know the time they want to build because their the ones who are judged on the results how many CEO do see getting sacked a year.

 

[mike]

Yawn zzzzzz. How about we move forward and stop whinging about should haves, could haves, ifs and buts.

What we need more than anything right now is stability.

 

[izotope]

Agree, he is to be held in account along with cleary and anyone else on the signings team who maybe put some contracts in that were overs.
Disagree on douehi and joey.

No-one also knows there salary, media just have a guess as they have no idea and this becomes the "figure" they are on. They also forget to report in these situations when another club is paying a chunk of their freight

 

[supercoach]

If I was CEO, I employ the best coach I can and team him up with the best football manager I can and trust their judgement. Okay it might not work out, but they are the experts in the field of football. My job is gelling the best out of all my departments and improving the bottom line.
Anyway I think the above describes Pascoe and he is doing a good job. He like the rest of us had a lot of faith in Ivan, and certainly did not think he would stuff our cap and bolt. Sadly rebuilding takes time and luck...just ask Parra

 

[happy_tiger]

If I was CEO, I employ the best coach I can and team him up with the best football manager I can and trust their judgement. Okay it might not work out, but they are the experts in the field of football. My job is gelling the best out of all my departments and improving the bottom line.
Anyway I think the above describes Pascoe and he is doing a good job. He like the rest of us had a lot of faith in Ivan, and certainly did not think he would stuff our cap and bolt. Sadly rebuilding takes time and luck...just ask Parra

Exactly ..not hire your mate from another club as a coach

That has been his biggest error and we will still be paying the price in 2023

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Ok, I’ll head back to work.

 

[avocadoontoast]

If I was CEO, I employ the best coach I can and team him up with the best football manager I can and trust their judgement. Okay it might not work out, but they are the experts in the field of football. My job is gelling the best out of all my departments and improving the bottom line.
Anyway I think the above describes Pascoe and he is doing a good job. He like the rest of us had a lot of faith in Ivan, and certainly did not think he would stuff our cap and bolt. Sadly rebuilding takes time and luck...just ask Parra

Exactly ..not hire your mate from another club as a coach

That has been his biggest error and we will still be paying the price in 2023

His salary cap fine wasn't helpful either.

 

[happy_tiger]

If I was CEO, I employ the best coach I can and team him up with the best football manager I can and trust their judgement. Okay it might not work out, but they are the experts in the field of football. My job is gelling the best out of all my departments and improving the bottom line.
Anyway I think the above describes Pascoe and he is doing a good job. He like the rest of us had a lot of faith in Ivan, and certainly did not think he would stuff our cap and bolt. Sadly rebuilding takes time and luck...just ask Parra

Exactly ..not hire your mate from another club as a coach

That has been his biggest error and we will still be paying the price in 2023

His salary cap fine wasn't helpful either.

That was only 2 years ...Cleary's signings will hurt us for much longer

 

[weststigers]

I actually think Pascoe has done what a CEO should be doing...making sure the club runs viably and that support is given in the right places to continue building for the future.

A CEO that has us in the black is nothing to be sneezed at - he's doing his job and he's doing it well.

The COE is another major legacy he will leave, but that has been said before. At least this puts us on par with other clubs in terms of facilities...**a major recruitment issue in the past.**

The roster is managed largely by the coaches and frankly, Madge is showing signs of picking the right players.

If we have Madge at the helm for a long period of time, the stability and full effect of his philosophy will have a chance to shine through and breed success...you can't keep chopping the head off the leaders and expecting someone to come in and change things overnight.

We have slowly stabilised the club in many areas, now all that's left is on-field performance which Madge is addressing.

My 2 cents...

 

[gallagher]

While ever the fans are happy with following a crap club, the board will have no reason to change things. He should be held accountable but he's saving WA money so he's here for a while.

 

[TigerVinnie]

Have to disagree with a lot of the views here. Is he the best CEO in the game? no. Is he the worst? no. Is he to blame for our salary cap again no.

Clearly came in (and I believe this was even made public to the media) saying he would only do the role if he has full control over the team. So the recruitment really is his fault. Also there was a lot of people who were quite happy with the signings at the time -its easy to look back in hindsight but at the time we were all praising Clearly for putting his foot down on the 'big 4'. Packer was in fantastic form at the Dragons when we got him, Mats brought experience, everyone was saying McQueen was an origin player we can help recapture his form blah blah. Mbye in his first year with us was one of our better players.

As for AD and BJ, I am actually completely fine with these signings. AD is clearly carrying an injury blind freddy can see that. I also find he cops all his criticism purely on his speed. If he was quick im sure the other parts of the game people have problems with would be overlooked. But no worries we will just stick it out with Corey Thompson at the back who played with passion but thats about all he can really bring. Instead we got a young clearly naturally talented footballer who can play multiple positions. Also this 650k is rubbish, it was closer to 400k with Souths chipping in.

BJ is a genuine walk in starter with most clubs, people can hate on him all they want but I can't see many clubs who wouldn't have him in the team. Our club has lacked X factor since Teddy left - yes he has defense issues (coachable) but he runs harder than most of our forwards and provides raw talent that not every player has.

Our club has made terrible decisions but we are looking at this with the benefit of hindsight, any club would be successful if they could look into the future and see the outcome of the signings.

 

[Wombat]

Totally disagree with everything you said, absolutely everything.

You are only guessing like we all would who is responsible - it is all now in the past.

We have discussed this over and over again, and you are bringing up the same thing again.

Maybe you could start a thread that is a positive spin on the club.

How am I guessing he's the CEO the buck stops with him

The board is above the CEO...

 

[Papacito]

Yawn zzzzzz. How about we move forward and stop whinging about should haves, could haves, ifs and buts.

What we need more than anything right now is stability.

We do seem to have stability - reliably finishing 9th every year.

 

[Honkylips]

Pascoe has overseen some shocking over priced contracts which has kept us in a bad salary cap state.

He's over seen the purchases of Reynolds, MBye, Packer, Dohehi and Joey Leulia for ridiculous prices.

Dohehi and Leulia have not lived up to the money they have been paid and it's cost us this year.

Reynolds is a 500k player at best, MBye 450k, Packer the same. Dohehi was a bench player at Souths not a marquee player he's worth maybe 300-400k.

When I heard about our interest in Joey the red lights and alarms went off, my first thoughts, he's a d**khead, bad defender and a liability then we sign him on that amount of money he isn't a rep player.

Madge can and should take blame for Joey and Dohehi but Pascoe has not had to answer for the recruitment decision he has been a part of as the CEO.

Maybe it's time a new CEO is looked at ?

I think you are failing to realize is that WT do not have the attraction the Roosters, Storm etc have. Until the COE arrives and we start playing finals football we will struggle to attract and always pay overs for players. I shudder to think how much we will offer Addo-Carr to return next year. We really need speed in this side so whatever it takes it takes.

It's easy making assumptions now on Reynolds, Doueihi, Mbye and Joey. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Any or all could have come here and brained it. How do you know?

Reynolds hasn't been to bad when fit and given the opportunities. His energy on the field is infectious. Joey can have his brain explosions sure, but he can also win games which he has proven this year. Doueihi is slower than a wet week but he is safe enough at fullback. Nofo was playing Canterbury Cup last year and is now our form player. Things can change.

Pascoe isn't Australia's best CEO but blaming him for all the reasons you've put forward beggars belief.

 

[Honkylips]

Pascoe has overseen some shocking over priced contracts which has kept us in a bad salary cap state.


Madge can and should take blame for Joey and Dohehi but Pascoe has not had to answer for the recruitment decision he has been a part of as the CEO.

Maybe it's time a new CEO is looked at ?

Take blame for Doueihi? What's he done wrong? Been one of our most consistent this year.

Is he playing at a level a 650k player should be performing at ? No

Just a bit early to be holding everyone to account, especially on this signing.

Reynolds, Mbye, Packer I agree with - way overs!

Nope we've paid overs on Dohehi by 200k at least at least with the Titans you know what you'll get from Fifita even though he's been paid 200k more as well

What garbage. How do you know Fifita will bring the same form he is in at Brisbane to the Titans? Adam Blair was the form forward of the competition before arriving at WT. It turned out to be one of the worst signings in our history.

 

[OzLuke]

Pascoe has overseen some shocking over priced contracts which has kept us in a bad salary cap state.


Madge can and should take blame for Joey and Dohehi but Pascoe has not had to answer for the recruitment decision he has been a part of as the CEO.

Maybe it's time a new CEO is looked at ?

Take blame for Doueihi? What's he done wrong? Been one of our most consistent this year.

Is he playing at a level a 650k player should be performing at ? No

Just a bit early to be holding everyone to account, especially on this signing.

Reynolds, Mbye, Packer I agree with - way overs!

Nope we've paid overs on Dohehi by 200k at least at least with the Titans you know what you'll get from Fifita even though he's been paid 200k more as well

do they know what fifita will give them??? We thought we knew what Blair would offer us but didn't....Only hindsight will tell with this one

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Pascoe must take some of the blame for the ridiculous contracts that were thrown around in the Cleary era, he cant throw his hands up and say its nothing to do with him imo.