Paul Kent: Wests Tigers’ rebuild taking shape

[hobbo1]

What happened to episode 2

Aug 8

 

[happy_tiger]

What happened to episode 2

Aug 8

What ...have they decided to edit them lol

 

[hobbo1]

What happened to episode 2

Aug 8

What ...have they decided to edit them lol

Nah it’s being aired like the Star Wars trilogy ?

 

[happy_tiger]

What happened to episode 2

Aug 8

What ...have they decided to edit them lol

Nah it’s being aired like the Star Wars trilogy ?

Ok and Yoda has picked the run order ....

 

[hobbo1]

What happened to episode 2

Aug 8

What ...have they decided to edit them lol

Nah it’s being aired like the Star Wars trilogy ?

Ok and Yoda has picked the run order ....

Yeah .. waiting for Luke to use the force

 

[Sully]

Aired after the Olympics finishes was their plan

 

[cktiger]

Reading between the lines I’d say someone high up at the Tigers has gotten into Kent’s ear.
Maybe on the promise of some more scoops.
That’s how it works.

 

[clontarfkid]

Reading between the lines I’d say someone high up at the Tigers has gotten into Kent’s ear.
Maybe on the promise of some more scoops.
That’s how it works.

And FINALLY that management of the media works FOR us for once
Its a brave and honest assessment of Kent to articulate the facts and call out the "agitators",and almost certainly buys Madge a full 2022 regardless of how this year ends.
But............ if he still cant ATTRACT quaility marquee talent over the next 12 months......
..and/or still cant DEVELOP juniors from the overwhelmingly WTs successful teams below NRL level into genuine NRL players,our1st grade team will continue its inexorable slide down the ladder against all other teams who are currently achieving some/any these key deliverables
Its great for WTs to have a vision and a plan,but....... after 4 years or so its gotta bear fruit and translate into wins at some stage...starting with top 8 in 2022.....
In other words...buy some decent players in spots we need filled,and make our juniors better starting with the rookie centres..backrowers halves and full backs...just like Bellamy would

 

[Curaeus]

Nice to read something kind of favourable about our club from one of the Toilet Paper's finest but very much at odds with the "Hire Flanagan, Sack Madge" garbage being peddled at the very same time by his rotund colleague Rothfield. Very odd indeed!

 

[twentyforty]

Nice to read something kind of favourable about our club from one of the Toilet Paper's finest but very much at odds with the "Hire Flanagan, Sack Madge" garbage being peddled at the very same time by his rotund colleague Rothfield. Very odd indeed!

The printed jousting of Banjo Paterson and Henry Lawson sold a lot of papers.

 

[TigerWest]

Paul Kent: Wests Tigers’ rebuild taking shape, if club holds its nerve over Michael Maguire

After finally committing to a way out of a decade-long cycle of failure, Wests Tigers must fight calls that will send them spiralling back into the rugby league abyss, PAUL KENT writes.

Paul Kent
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
JULY 26, 20215:20PM

The ammunition against Michael Maguire is overly simplistic, but effective.

It seems to be a campaign driven by out-of-work coaches and their future assistants happy to aggravate the job market.

Little attention is paid to what Maguire is doing to clean up the problem at Wests Tigers, which was always the business someone was going to have to do eventually and which was always going to come with some skin lost, no matter who it was.

And it had to come at some point.

For too long the coaches at Wests spent their salary cap with wild indifference to the problems they were creating; namely, caps can be stretched only so much before they burst.

Too many treated the cap like a Ponzi scheme. Buy now, leave the consequence for whomever comes next.

It happened in the interest of short-term job security.

Maguire arrived in town for the long haul, knowing the problems he was inheriting but, still, as he goes about his business out-of-work coaches and their future assistants, at the cost of a phone call, continue to agitate for change.

The subtext goes that only they can fix the problem, without full disclosure that Maguire has finally turned the club in the right direction.

The problem for too long was that the Tigers’ management was unsure itself what success looked like so, unwittingly, they listened to outside voices, wondering if there was a better way.

So they continued to treat the symptom, not the cause.

The knock on Maguire came again over the weekend.

Dale Finucane signed with Cronulla after the Tigers came in with an 11th hour offer Friday. It was portrayed in some quarters that Finucane knocked back the Tigers to sign with Cronulla because he did not want to play under Maguire at the Tigers.

This happened after Tevita Pangai signed with Canterbury last week despite a bigger offer from the Tigers because, it went again, Pangai did not want to play under Maguire.

If only it were that simple.

There was no four-year deal to the Tigers for Finucane.

The Tigers offered a two-year deal with the third season in their favour.

Their reasoning was simple. The Tigers were only just coming out of a cycle where long-term deals, all well above market value, crippled the club and there was no appetite to begin the cycle again, no matter how good Finucane might be.

The Tigers also quietly dropped off Pangai after running a couple of character checks on him, which uncovered the same reasons the Broncos were happy to release Pangai immediately but declined Melbourne’s request to release Xavier Coates immediately.

What is being refused to be recognised at Wests is the job the club is doing in regard to the salary cap, and finally getting in order, but also the drive to develop elite junior pathways which has for too long been ignored.

Recruitment is essential at every club, and all the very best clubs realise it.

Without good young players coming through clubs are forced to always go to market, and invariably must pay overs to recruit outside talent.

Wests have done this for far too long.

Development allows clubs to grow from within, and always offers several good years where young players are cheap at the price.

The Tigers dropped off their development many years ago when the club suffered a critical lack of nerve and the coaches, and here it probably began in the final years of Tim Sheens’ tenure, saw no choice but to coach for the immediate future to guarantee their job security.

So they kept going for the sugar hits, the quick fixes, and it came at the cost of long-term development.

All the good clubs realise now the benefit of strong, and honest, junior programs.

Penrith has long been regarded as the junior template, but it took five or six frustrating years to get this current squad in the shape it is in now, which can win a premiership.

Manly has got its pathways in order in recent years and is showing the benefits this season. The Sea Eagles were widely criticised when they scouted wide, recruiting Blacktown as its feeder club, but the emergence of a stack of young stars this season has shown the intelligence in that decision.

The Roosters often get criticised for failing to develop their own but this is an old stereotype, the Roosters having long taken over the Central Coast juniors and poured plenty of effort into them.

Their success came on the back of Boyd Cordner, Jake Friend, Latrell Mitchell, and many others, which continues today, being contracted at young ages so they could be coached in the Roosters way of football, through the important years of their development.

Then, when it was time for the icing, the Roosters signed James Tedesco and Cooper Cronk to finish off their list.

Melbourne began with a similar model all the way back in Craig Bellamy’s early years and now reap the annual benefits of maintaining discipline and control of their cap.

So much the Storm were comfortable to offer Finucane under market price, which was really more a symbolic gesture more than a genuine attempt to retain him, because the club was in control of its salary cap and already has somebody trained to replace him.

This has long been the Storm way, comfortable losing one at the top because they already have identified the next young one coming through.

Cameron Smith goes out, Harry Grant is ready to step in. Billy Slater retires, Ryan Papenhuyzen steps in.

It is the natural order until clubs bend their salary cap out of shape.

It is a lesson the Tigers are also finally disciplining themselves to adhere to, despite the outside noise.

**Already rivals have recognised the early shoots of development, which will only strengthen now the Tigers are exercising discipline, which will be stronger again next year.**

The way forward is north.

Well Well Well...
Colour me Pink and call me Mary..
That my friends is the best article I have read for a long time about the Tigers. Give credit to where credit is due as Kent has done some research and talking about where we are heading.
The best part is he can see what we are trying to do and not paying overs for quick fixes.
I love the last section as smart players will see the growth and want to join us.
If we can somehow finish the season off strong that will help with recruitment.

I wonder if he work mates at Fox or DT had a read of this article as the Dogs are doing the exact opposite to us and putting bandaids on... I also think this will help the fanbase as well as its been a rocky road lately and this is a boost to our morale.

Yep, the dogs are doing what we did 5 odd years ago, I hope their medical staff can keep them together?

 

[TV Ted Ellery]

Kenty is good.
Speaking some truths here.

Impressive.
Noticed Hooper tried to jump in as well but he's a nobody, we aren't accepting you.

Notice how hooper needs to look at his notes before chiming in ?..
Every time….

He's fake as it gets.

Snake in the grass.
Just appeared one day out of nowhere claiming he's a fan.

Needs a smack in the mouth

Maybe those freedom fighters could pay him a visit like that Chanel 7 reporter

Are you referring to the thugs who accosted the channel 7 reporter at the anti-lockdown/anti-vaxx riots over the weekend?

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Nice to read something kind of favourable about our club from one of the Toilet Paper's finest but very much at odds with the "Hire Flanagan, Sack Madge" garbage being peddled at the very same time by his rotund colleague Rothfield. Very odd indeed!

the DT is crap reporting against us pretty much all of the time but at least is has readership as nobody reads SMH or the Australian

 

[innsaneink]

SMH or The Australian wouldn't exist if no one read them

If we're going back to being a development club we need to work out how to keep the good ones

I'm not sure if any things changed in this regard when we went away from this direction whatever it was a decade ago?

 

[Canberratiger]

Have a look at the comments on any story Foxsports put out about the Tigers at the moment or the recent Blog with Hoops. They are absolutely full of Tigers fans giving it to the journos about trying to tear us down. Even other fans are giving them grief. Now, Paul Kent has seemed to have a bit of a soft spot for Madge for some time now, but to me, this was them trying to not lose viewers/clicks. These shows are semi-scripted and they would have picked Kent to be the one to go into bat for us. They couldn't pick Hooper because of how vocal he has been about us and no one would of accepted it and Buzz has an agenda for his mate Flanagan. In saying this, I am over the moon to see all the fans having a go at the journos whenever they see a story, keep it up!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The junior development and pathways can continue without Maguire. We need a new coach who brings a new skillset to the Club.

And a new coach comes in and the players still play like shit .. what then ?
Another coach ?
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn !

Oh I see, it's what ifs and look after there!

Maguire is not the man to lead the team forward.

And it’s all what “ifs” if a different coach comes in !
Can’t keep giving into the pea heart players mate ..
How many times have we already been down that path !

You can't guarantee what will happen, but the past is certainly a good indicator. 3 finals series in what is soon to be 22 years. Aside from one coach who had patchy form himself, no coach can seem to get this club to perform.

 

[finnzo]

I watched the segment on nrl 360 with kent giving it to Phil and it was really good and hilarious
Phil was rattling of all the players Flanagan got to the sharks and kent just tears him to shreds it’s gold

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The junior development and pathways can continue without Maguire. We need a new coach who brings a new skillset to the Club.

Is that you giving Maguire credit for building in this area?

I have always been happy to acknowledge the good work done by the club in this area.

It doesn't take away from the fact our NRL team has gone backwards under Maguire. Or, that our defence is appalling and has not improved one iota under Maguire. We need a new coach with a new skillset to drive the club forward.

Well I want us to be a team that can be challenged for the title year on year out.
Ie Souths, Manly, Roosters, Storm, and In later years Parra, Raiders and Panthers.

If we have gone as far as you feel with Maguire do you personally feel with or without changes to our roster that we will displace one of the above by coaching personal only within the next 3 years?

Because if you don’t feel that’s possible there’s no point moving on the problem if the next coach can’t do it.

We all want our club to compete in the top 4. We differ on the way it should be gone about.

I believe our roster is better than performances suggest under Maguire. A new face with a different skillset, a new method of communication, better assistants and maybe just maybe a better profile to attract talent is what the club requires.

But your personal opinion is? Do we finish within the top 6 in the next 3 years, with a change of coach?

We will be at the back end of the field while Maguire is coaching WTs.

That is not answering the question!!!!

I've given my answer and views.

Great conversationalist you are….
Opinions are like…. Well we both have them, but they are just that.

And this is a forum! Supporters have views. Maguire has failed. It appears to me from the outside the Club is more concerned about perceived negative press in sacking Maguire than actually sacking him. Common Board find the resolve to do it.

 

[Telltails]

Hooper has Pascoe in his sights - does not like him. Buzz wants Flanagan in for Maguire and Kent likes to disagree with both of them when it suits. Must bore other fans of other clubs senseless.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Hooper has Pascoe in his sights - does not like him. Buzz wants Flanagan in for Maguire and Kent likes to disagree with both of them when it suits. Must bore other fans of other clubs senseless.

Yep it seems everyone has their different agendas. Hooper has been gunning for Pascoe for years, Buzz trying to get his mate a job and Kent has never, ever once said anything negative about Maguire for as long as I can remember.