Payten to blame?

Masterton

Well-known member
On Monday, I hit the phones. As a young, conscientious reporter, I strode forth into the day in the pursuit of truth and justice, and whatever else was out there in relation to the Wests Tigers.

I spoke to as many people as I could: players, past and present; management; board members, and those on either side of the Balmain-Wests divide.

Of course, I promised them I would never take the journalistic lead of Triple M’s Gorden Tallis and give any of them up – naughty, Gordie, naughty – but unfortunately the process left me with a handful of dots that no one can join.

I started with the tenacity of Woodward and Bernstein … and ended as exhausted and frazzled as Hunter S. Thompson as the sun set on the Kentucky Derby.

Club officials said coach Mick Potter has their full support; no one is trying to sack him; this is nothing more than a rampant rugby league media beating a story to within an inch of its life.

Those closer to the coach said it is very simple: this is an assassination of a good man who has been undermined from the moment he walked into the steaming mess that the joint venture has been for two years or so.

There is an old saying in the AFL that the Richmond Tigers eat their own. The Wests Tigers may as well have a drive-through off Parramatta Road.

Wade through the muck and the bullshit and there is something undeniable: there is a concerted push to have Potter removed, which is typical of rugby league's trigger-happy, results-driven, save-your-own-arse attitude.
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Tallis breached a major confidence – journalistically, at least – on radio on Sunday when he blurted out that captain Robbie Farah had told him he didn’t rate Potter. He let the cat out of the bag when it comes to the players’ assessment of their coach.

Farah denies any backstabbing, and he is now certainly fearful that blood appears to be on his hands. He was emotional before and after the loss to the Dragons on Sunday because the belief is he is trying to screw the coach.

Typically of Potter, he took Farah aside and tried to calm him, with the minor matter of a footy game about to start.

Farah is brutally honest. He is very headstrong. Until six weeks ago, Potter thought he had his support. Now, he looks like the one trying to take down the coach, when there are other factions angling for the same result.

It is hardly breaking news that some players do not want Potter beyond this year. They consider him a good man, but wonder if he is the coach to take them to a premiership. The younger players wonder if he is the coach to make them better.

The bottom line is, right now, he is their coach; respect his authority.

Potter’s personality is often described as “dry”, even if those close to him say he is one of the funniest humans you will meet.

When player power helped push out Tim Sheens in late 2012, Potter put his squad through one of the most gruelling pre-seasons many of them had endured.

The message was clear: Farah and Benji Marshall don’t run this team, I do. Some didn’t like it; others left. Marshall went as far as another country and code.

Amid calls for his head for most of the year, Potter managed to navigate the piranhas and then softened his approach heading into this season.

With the Marshall albatross no longer around his neck, and with a gun halfback in Luke Brooks running the side alongside Farah, there has been much promise. On many counts, much has been delivered.

He has done all this despite the stench of a report by his former coach, Brian Smith, that did not make any recommendations about the coach's tenure, even if many individuals at the Tigers thought otherwise.

He has done this despite others on his coaching staff – assistants Todd Payten and David Kidwell – salivating at the thought of having his job.

He has done this despite thinking he has a job one minute, and is about to be speared the next.

At the start of last week, Potter seemed certain to receive a one-year extension of his contract. At the end of last week, the board had apparently backflipped, with Kidwell set to receive the nod in preference to an ambitious Payten, whose designs on the top job might just ensure he does not get anywhere near it.

At the end of Sunday's game, those closest to Potter considered him a dead man walking. At the end of Sunday, he had received a stay of execution.

If you think you are confused trying to work out what is happening at the Tigers, try to imagine being the one with the most to lose.
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http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/2446571/the-truth-about-the-wests-tigers-and-mick-potter-is-out-there-really-out-there/?cs=2382
 
There have been several reports today that Payten has been both undermining Potter and chasing his job so Openly and aggressively that he has lost the support of everyone including the Board and that his postion is now untenable.

Was he missing at the game on the weekend? I remember seeing Potter & Kidwell multiple times but I dont remember seeing Todd?
 
@Majere77 said:
There have been several reports today that Payten has been both undermining Potter and chasing his job so Openly and aggressively that he has lost the support of everyone including the Board and that his postion is now untenable.

Was he missing at the game on the weekend? I remember seeing Potter & Kidwell multiple times but I dont remember seeing Todd?

Todd was on the bench,,,,like he always is…

Payten has made no secret he wants to be a head coach wether or not he is behind the white anting is just more speculation....
 
Ive heard the Payten angle a few times myself.
Again unconfirmed.Just about every article is pro Potter, he could come out of this looking great.
 
@Goose said:
Ive heard the Payten angle a few times myself.
Again unconfirmed.Just about every article is pro Potter, he could come out of this looking great.

And so he should.
Appears their are a bunch of spineless asshats in and around this club who only look out for "me".
If the coach can't get support in his own club, what hope do we have for the future.

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So what if Payten want the top job. I want him there. He got these kids into first grade not Potter. I want a tiger in the top job not some blow in that doesn't know how we should play. Potter is walking the Green mile….
 
@haberfield tiger said:
So what if Payten want the top job. I want him there. He got these kids into first grade not Potter. I want a tiger in the top job not some blow in that doesn't know how we should play. Potter is walking the Green mile….

So we are just going to give coaching positions to people who have played for the Tigers now

Your obviously on the board :brick:

Maybe in your eyes Robbie could even Captain Coach

And the next part you brought up , how should we play ??
 
having payten as coach just because he was a past player is short sighted. worrying thing if he has been involved in the background of undermining potter doesnt sit well with many. he'll get his time eventually if he plays his card right.
 
"And the next part you brought up , how should we play ??"
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Probably throw the ball around like a bunch of twats in our own 20\. That was our way for years under shifty.
 
We can definitely match the Storm's forwards , we know that for a fact

So the key in attack will be finishing of the sets 1000% better than we did v the Saints

Bombing Koroibete and trying to isolate him would be the smart calls

Defence is the huge issue though

If Slater can get one on one with Thompson we are screwed

And we are playing against the best 7 and 9 combination in the game

Any other side I'd suggest we play a compressed line but inviting the Storm to go around us is madness

Quick line speed will just force Smith and Cronk to run and that as bad as the last option ,Slater will break a club try scoring record

Play a slide defence and they will destroy us laterally

Look the only way I see us having any success is giving away a million penalties by slowing the ruck and hoping with a bit of niggle we can upset the Storm into playing frustrated and forcing mistakes Every time Smith and Cronk touch the ball they end up on their arse

Honestly if the Storm play within 70% of their attacking potential I can't see us winning unless we beat them in a high scoring affair
 
Props playing halfback.

Not many coaches dont get a say in who their assistants will be…Pottsy one of the ''lucky'' ones.
 
People are entitled to their opinions of Potter, however they lay, though it seems many dont understand the coaching structure to begin with…

If there is concerns within the younger playing group about our coaching structure being able to keep development rolling forward, that is actually a reflection on both the attack and defensive coaches. They are responsible for education and development at the player level, and the preparation of the players to be able to implement a game plan. I would even target the diabolical financial status of the club for our financial inability to hire a specialist halves coach...

A head coach is actually a manager. A structure more like the Panthers have with Gould as head of Football operations, allows a head coach to be able to take on a more traditional coaching role... Potter hasnt done too bad a job as a manager though, our retention has been nothing short of amazing, his hatchet work pretty good for the most part, and finally his courage under intense fire in the media to assume responsibility and ownership rather than deflecting has been almost unhuman...

I really dont know what people expect of the guy.
 
@Black'n'White said:
People are entitled to their opinions of Potter, however they lay, though it seems many dont understand the coaching structure to begin with…

If there is concerns within the younger playing group about our coaching structure being able to keep development rolling forward, that is actually a reflection on both the attack and defensive coaches. They are responsible for education and development at the player level, and the preparation of the players to be able to implement a game plan. I would even target the diabolical financial status of the club for our financial inability to hire a specialist halves coach...

A head coach is actually a manager. A structure more like the Panthers have with Gould as head of Football operations, allows a head coach to be able to take on a more traditional coaching role... Potter hasnt done too bad a job as a manager though, our retention has been nothing short of amazing, his hatchet work pretty good for the most part, and finally his courage under intense fire in the media to assume responsibility and ownership rather than deflecting has been almost unhuman...

I really dont know what people expect of the guy.

Well said BnW

And to answer your last question , some expect miracles
 
@happy tiger said:
@Black'n'White said:
People are entitled to their opinions of Potter, however they lay, though it seems many dont understand the coaching structure to begin with…

If there is concerns within the younger playing group about our coaching structure being able to keep development rolling forward, that is actually a reflection on both the attack and defensive coaches. They are responsible for education and development at the player level, and the preparation of the players to be able to implement a game plan. I would even target the diabolical financial status of the club for our financial inability to hire a specialist halves coach...

A head coach is actually a manager. A structure more like the Panthers have with Gould as head of Football operations, allows a head coach to be able to take on a more traditional coaching role... Potter hasnt done too bad a job as a manager though, our retention has been nothing short of amazing, his hatchet work pretty good for the most part, and finally his courage under intense fire in the media to assume responsibility and ownership rather than deflecting has been almost unhuman...

I really dont know what people expect of the guy.

Well said BnW

And to answer your last question , some expect miracles

I'll second that!
 
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