Penrith Bleating about Losing Juniors

[happy_tiger]

Poor Ivan, he’s losing good players and signing benchies from WT lol He needs to have meeting with his manager to see who else he has? Will that grin ever leave Pascoe’s face?

If Pascoe looks in his own backyard that grin will quickly disappear

 

[happy_tiger]

Unless Crichton has said "my word is my bond" what is the issue ....until your signed and the I's dotted and T's crossed and the Ink is dry ...means JAC

 

[AJ1]

So does that mean if we stump up enough cash they will release Laurie for 2021? Make them an offer WT

 

[2041]

I agree the system needs a overhaul. A few clubs put a lot of money and resources into developing juniors only to see the walk out the door to the parasites. Although all successful clubs get punished by the salary cap for being successful. Still would love a transfer fee implemented or even a cap benefit...but will never happen while a few teams control how the game is run

Clubs don't invest in junior development for the good of the game, though - they do it because they want first dibs on cheap talent. Being able to get a couple of years out of good young players on unders and having first crack at retaining the ones you want *is* the reward for player development.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I agree the system needs a overhaul. A few clubs put a lot of money and resources into developing juniors only to see the walk out the door to the parasites. Although all successful clubs get punished by the salary cap for being successful. Still would love a transfer fee implemented or even a cap benefit...but will never happen while a few teams control how the game is run

Clubs don't invest in junior development for the good of the game, though - they do it because they want first dibs on cheap talent. Being able to get a couple of years out of good young players on unders and having first crack at retaining the ones you want *is* the reward for player development.

Yeah agree with this. The benefit of the junior development is making sure you have a constant stream of talented juniors coming through to complement the key players in the team. Melbourne has managed this very well through their connections in QLD.

At the end of the day, you have 17 players that run out on a game day. 13 players in your top 30 miss out every week, and they all want to be in the top 17. There are a raft of SG Ball (plus QLD juniors,) graduates every year. The influx of available players coming out of the juniors systems will always outweigh the players that leave the game. You're never going to hang on to all of them.

 

[Guest]

Two-edged sword and they can't have it both ways. They've benefited from it and suffered for it, just as WT have along with other clubs. And sometimes all you can really do is gaze into the crystal ball and target the players you can afford to keep and hope you get it right. You will never be able to keep all of them though.

 

[TigerWest]

Unless Crichton has said "my word is my bond" what is the issue ....until your signed and the I's dotted and T's crossed and the Ink is dry ...means JAC

He was quoted as saying that he did shake hands to the deal, that is an enforceable agreement as I understand it, whether Penrith bother with it is another thing.

 

[happy_tiger]

Unless Crichton has said "my word is my bond" what is the issue ....until your signed and the I's dotted and T's crossed and the Ink is dry ...means JAC

He was quoted as saying that he did shake hands to the deal, that is an enforceable agreement as I understand it, whether Penrith bother with it is another thing.

Then Penrith were dumbasses then ...stick a contract in his hand and get him to sign it asap

 

[Tigercrb]

Ivan should be banned from ever commenting on contracts.

When you are a head coach who walks out on a contract and leave a salary cap mess behind, you have zero credibility.

As much as I hate to say it, the panthers are right about junior development. Clubs like them and the tigers should get salary cap discounts if they develop a player. Long service discounts are crap and only helpful if you can hang onto 2 players long enough to qualify.

Cap discounts for junior development are the only way to get clubs like the roosters, storm and titans from poaching players.

 

[Russell]

Unless Crichton has said "my word is my bond" what is the issue ....until your signed and the I's dotted and T's crossed and the Ink is dry ...means JAC

He was quoted as saying that he did shake hands to the deal, that is an enforceable agreement as I understand it, whether Penrith bother with it is another thing.

Yeah! just like Cleary's contract with us.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[Papacito]

As a Penrith junior many years ago and as someone who fell at the final hurdle of making it to the top grade, I have ZERO sympathy for this club in that regard.

In the mid 80's when I was graded, the place was seriously overflowing with exceptional junior talent. Often, and I saw it first hand, there was a preference for some outsiders to come in at the exception of local lads. It wasn't until it smacked them in the face and you got Brandy, MG, Tony Butterfield, Brad Izzard, Ben Gonzales, Doug Delaney that they realised their local talent and that helped them understand their potential in 90 and 91. I know the dramas after that smashed the club, but they also went away from the locals badly in the late 90s and early 00's. It hasn't been until the last 5 years they tapped into it again.

And now they whinge! Cant have your cake and eat it too. For every good player at Penrith, there have been 10 thrown on the scrapheap in favour of imported junk. They have had the best junior base for 40 years+.

I'm not here to stick up for Penrith, but they did develop a lot of players in the late 90s and early 2000s (one of my best mates played first grade for them). The 2004 squad alone had 19/30 locals. And that was after John Lang brought in many outside signings.

 

[Thaiger]

As a Penrith junior many years ago and as someone who fell at the final hurdle of making it to the top grade, I have ZERO sympathy for this club in that regard.

In the mid 80's when I was graded, the place was seriously overflowing with exceptional junior talent. Often, and I saw it first hand, there was a preference for some outsiders to come in at the exception of local lads. It wasn't until it smacked them in the face and you got Brandy, MG, Tony Butterfield, Brad Izzard, Ben Gonzales, Doug Delaney that they realised their local talent and that helped them understand their potential in 90 and 91. I know the dramas after that smashed the club, but they also went away from the locals badly in the late 90s and early 00's. It hasn't been until the last 5 years they tapped into it again.

And now they whinge! Cant have your cake and eat it too. For every good player at Penrith, there have been 10 thrown on the scrapheap in favour of imported junk. They have had the best junior base for 40 years+.

I'm not here to stick up for Penrith, but they did develop a lot of players in the late 90s and early 2000s (one of my best mates played first grade for them). The 2004 squad alone had 19/30 locals. And that was after John Lang brought in many outside signings.

Speaking of juniors, what happened with Henry Lealuga-Puhotau? Is he still with us?

There doesn't seem to be much news about our junior players for next year - other clubs seem to have at least announced their JF squads. I'm hearing bits and pieces but I have to admit I am not aware of any new exciting new signings or players to keep an eye on apart from Kei, Smith and the big unit Mavoni!

 

[the_third]

Big-Chin looks like a clown the ways he has been conducting himself lately. A handshake agreement with Stephen Crichton? Come on mate, it's 2020. If you don't get it in writing, don't expect anything.

He crosses his fingers when he shakes, just in case....

 

[JC99]

As a Penrith junior many years ago and as someone who fell at the final hurdle of making it to the top grade, I have ZERO sympathy for this club in that regard.

In the mid 80's when I was graded, the place was seriously overflowing with exceptional junior talent. Often, and I saw it first hand, there was a preference for some outsiders to come in at the exception of local lads. It wasn't until it smacked them in the face and you got Brandy, MG, Tony Butterfield, Brad Izzard, Ben Gonzales, Doug Delaney that they realised their local talent and that helped them understand their potential in 90 and 91. I know the dramas after that smashed the club, but they also went away from the locals badly in the late 90s and early 00's. It hasn't been until the last 5 years they tapped into it again.

And now they whinge! Cant have your cake and eat it too. For every good player at Penrith, there have been 10 thrown on the scrapheap in favour of imported junk. They have had the best junior base for 40 years+.

I'm not here to stick up for Penrith, but they did develop a lot of players in the late 90s and early 2000s (one of my best mates played first grade for them). The 2004 squad alone had 19/30 locals. And that was after John Lang brought in many outside signings.

Speaking of juniors, what happened with Henry Lealuga-Puhotau? Is he still with us?

There doesn't seem to be much news about our junior players for next year - other clubs seem to have at least announced their JF squads. I'm hearing bits and pieces but I have to admit I am not aware of any new exciting new signings or players to keep an eye on apart from Kei, Smith and the big unit Mavoni!

Henry left last year. He and his father claimed it was because he didn’t get on with the coach however we trialled him at our local group 6 team and he was overweight and lazy out on the field, less than impressive. I get the feeling Madge didn’t like that part of his game and told that to Henry which wasn’t received well.

Would be nice to get our jersey Flegg team lists soon for sure.

 

[Swordy]

As a Penrith junior many years ago and as someone who fell at the final hurdle of making it to the top grade, I have ZERO sympathy for this club in that regard.

In the mid 80's when I was graded, the place was seriously overflowing with exceptional junior talent. Often, and I saw it first hand, there was a preference for some outsiders to come in at the exception of local lads. It wasn't until it smacked them in the face and you got Brandy, MG, Tony Butterfield, Brad Izzard, Ben Gonzales, Doug Delaney that they realised their local talent and that helped them understand their potential in 90 and 91. I know the dramas after that smashed the club, but they also went away from the locals badly in the late 90s and early 00's. It hasn't been until the last 5 years they tapped into it again.

And now they whinge! Cant have your cake and eat it too. For every good player at Penrith, there have been 10 thrown on the scrapheap in favour of imported junk. They have had the best junior base for 40 years+.

I'm not here to stick up for Penrith, but they did develop a lot of players in the late 90s and early 2000s (one of my best mates played first grade for them). The 2004 squad alone had 19/30 locals. And that was after John Lang brought in many outside signings.

I agree, they did develop players and always have(usually by accident) but my point is this. Penrith casts off way too many juniors because they share the philosophy that they need to bring in some outside talent to supplement the local stuff, and at Penrith nothing could be further from the truth. This IS true of clubs like roosters, sharks, melbourne, etc etc. But clubs like Brisbane, Penrith and Newcastle for example don't have to shop outside if they do it right. This year is a great example, almost exclusively juniors with 3 or 4 to prop them up. In the past, it has been 10-12 outsiders and they didn't need to.

Back in 2004, players like Trent Waterhouse, Luke Rooney, Craig Gower, Luke Lewis, Joel Clinton etc were all examples of local juniors, and there were many many more that got shafted for players like Ryan Girdler, Joe Gualavao, Martin Lang etc. Not saying these guys weren't good, but there were local juniors every bit as good.

Thats my point. Awesome local talent pushed aside just for the sake of it, because they didnt have the Kahunas to back their own, so I have no sympathy.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Unless Crichton has said "my word is my bond" what is the issue ....until your signed and the I's dotted and T's crossed and the Ink is dry ...means JAC

He was quoted as saying that he did shake hands to the deal, that is an enforceable agreement as I understand it, whether Penrith bother with it is another thing.

Depends how the legal eagles look at it. Pretty sure the classical definition of a contract is offer and acceptance. What constitutes those these days is anyone's guess.

 

[happy_tiger]

Unless Crichton has said "my word is my bond" what is the issue ....until your signed and the I's dotted and T's crossed and the Ink is dry ...means JAC

He was quoted as saying that he did shake hands to the deal, that is an enforceable agreement as I understand it, whether Penrith bother with it is another thing.

Depends how the legal eagles look at it. Pretty sure the classical definition of a contract is offer and acceptance. What constitutes those these days is anyone's guess.

Witnesses would help .....but unless you had full understanding from the player ......CB is right ...you would never get it to stick

 

[tiger05premier]

Poor Panthers

Stop sooking

You have no dramas signing coaches 2 years in advance no damn well he will get a release as it screws us

And anyway what do you want your good young players to do?

Sit in reserve grade or RMC on 20k a year and wait for an injury so they get some NRL action and the Panthers get a ready made replacement who could be earning 400k plus a year but chose to stay loyal for 20k to help IC and the club

That grub IC and the Panthers know how it works and need to stop crying

 

[bathursttiger1]

Unless Crichton has said "my word is my bond" what is the issue ....until your signed and the I's dotted and T's crossed and the Ink is dry ...means JAC

He was quoted as saying that he did shake hands to the deal, that is an enforceable agreement as I understand it, whether Penrith bother with it is another thing.

A verbal or handshake agreement is not worth the paper it’s written on.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

What goes around comes around