Fraze23
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And so they should. You can't just change the goal posts to suit the clubs with a bit of cash. The NRL really needs to flex it's muscles here and put the clubs back into line.
Player fire sale just weeks away
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And so they should. You can't just change the goal posts to suit the clubs with a bit of cash. The NRL really needs to flex it's muscles here and put the clubs back into line.
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If this happens, the clubs who did the right thing should revolt. Refuse to play, why should they be punished for doing the right thing? It's absolute crap if the usual suspects get concessions on their cap breaches when we got dicked for making a mistake about NYC concessions in regard to our players who technically only played Flegg.
Donald_Trump
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Western Force have collapsed - Curtis Rona awaits!
Tigers4ever
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Good call Donald…..spot on!!!
Western Force officially gone.
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newtiger
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If there are more than 5 clubs that don't want the cap increased they can get together and tell the NRL that they won't accept the increases.
Two can play that game.
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newtiger
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Until the lawyers get involved!!!
Its an interesting scenario from what I hear.
The clubs that seek the cap raised are working with the RLPA as they have the same interest. All clubs also want 130 percent of the salary cap without question.
The issue is the NRL can't afford more as they have spent like drunkard sailors. Their long term bankers I believe CBA reportedly knocked them back for a bank loan in recent days.
The clubs that seek the cap raised are working with the RLPA as they have the same interest. All clubs also want 130 percent of the salary cap without question.
The issue is the NRL can't afford more as they have spent like drunkard sailors. Their long term bankers I believe CBA reportedly knocked them back for a bank loan in recent days.
supercoach
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The chook that laid the golden egg is about to get its head cut off by a lot of self interested clubs and players. You only have to look at rugby, a few years ago the safe was full of money and they were in great shape, a few years on they are on the brink of going under on the back of some really bad calls by the people in charge. The same thing will happen to the NRL, the game is going backwards and one of the reasons is the greed and self interest that is rife in some sections of the NRL
GNR4LIFE
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There will be meltdown's galore if he doesn't sign seeing as how so many assume him coming here is now a given.
bonstonker
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the only acceptable outcome if they do increase the cap further,is that the clubs that are under the cap can roll all unused money to future years until all is spent.
Pawsandclaws
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We have the Raiders announcing the extension of Croker and shortly Whitehead. I assume these will not be registered by the NRL if the Raiders are not cap compliant?
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In January the NRL told the clubs plan for 9.2 million if clubs have already spent that what gives them the right to spend more
But in saying that before January the NRL said it would be about 10 million if a club had spent the 10 million before January then I have no trouble with the club keeping the players the fault lays with the NRL but most if not all clubs have spent on players after January
Pawsandclaws
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The NRL need to consider that players signed or extended after January above the 9.2m would have become available to clubs with weaker rosters had it not been for this behaviour.
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If the NRL were smart they would ageee to a percentage of revenue model. At the next TV deal they should schedule all games in the interest of the NRL so the competition is fair and higher quality. They will get less from the TV deal therefore the players will end up with less. Keep the same level of grass roots funding and the game will be better off.
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I don't know about that. I think a lot of clubs are over the salary cap in the future all the time. The issue is how much which is not normally that significant, therefore allowing 1 player of insignicance to be moved on with minimal fuss. This time they have been caught out badly in back ended deals ( the bulldogs) and should rightly pay the price. $800k short of what the Dogs were expecting the cap to be is still not enough to fit Foran and Woods, only one of them and that's with still moving on others.
goldcoast_tiger
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It's right about the Nrl spending like there's no tomorrow, just like the Cricket hierarchy.
I'd rather see the clubs get it thanthe NRL waste it.
Also like the Cricket, they could cut half of the overpaid, under worked Admin in the Nrl.
That'd be a good start
Pawsandclaws
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How the Canterbury Bulldogs threw their salary cap into disarray with reckless spending
Michael Carayannis, Exclusive, The Sunday Telegraph
August 13, 2017 6:00am
IT is the multimillion-dollar spending spree which has left Canterbury’s salary cap in disarray with their failure to heed multiple warnings by the NRL leaving the game’s governing body unsympathetic to their plight.
It could also cost the club star recruits Kieran Foran and Aaron Woods, whose contracts are yet to be fully ratified by the NRL.
The Sunday Telegraph can reveal the Bulldogs have been in constant discussions with the NRL about strategies surrounding their salary cap dilemma with fears they could have overspent by up to $1 million.
But the NRL has little sympathy for the Bulldogs who have blatantly disregarded a stack of warnings to curb their spending spree.
Canterbury’s poor on-field performances have not helped with the players they were hoping to move on now becoming less attractive.
Rival clubs are also aware of the Bulldogs overspending, so they hope they can capitalise by securing a bargain buy.
On March 30 and again on April 20, the NRL gave all club CEOs salary cap guidance of $9.14 million for 2018 — this despite suggestions the cap could be as high as $10 million at the end of last year.
Since these warning the Bulldogs have added almost $2 million worth of talent after signing Woods (approximately $700,000), Foran ($900,000) and Fa’amanu Brown ($150,000).
The trio were announced in May. Negotiations with Foran and Woods were well advanced when the NRL shocked clubs with their original salary cap offer of $8.3 million.
That same month the Bulldogs also offered contract extensions to William Hopoate ($500,000), Marcelo Montoya ($100,000), Kerrod Holland ($150,000), Reimis Smith ($100,000) before re-signing Danny Fualalo ($100,000) and Adam Elliott ($150,000) in June.
It is understood some of these players are on back-ended contracts.
The Bulldogs declined to comment on Saturday.
Woods and Foran have only been provisionally registered by the NRL’s salary cap auditors after the Bulldogs provided the NRL with a plan to be under the proposed salary cap by round one.
There is no guarantee the contracts of Woods or Foran will be fully registered by the NRL — meaning they may not be free to turn out for their new club next year.
The NRL required a salary cap plan for the duo to be provisionally registered, which included off-loading a host of players, but poor form coupled with rivals knowing Canterbury must shed players has made the task of moving players on more difficult.
While the Raiders are another club which has overshot the NRL’s proposed salary cap their only new arrival for 2018 is Warriors rookie Erin Clark, who joined the club midway through this season.
The squeeze on the Bulldogs cap comes with the likes of Greg Eastwood and James Graham receiving big pay rises next year because of back ended deals.
While the Bulldogs have added internationals Woods and Foran, they have shed just one contracted player — prop Sam Kasiano who will join Melbourne.
But even then it is understood the Bulldogs will contribute some of Kasiano’s Storm wage.
Favourite son Josh Reynolds will depart the club for the Tigers but he was not contracted beyond this season while hooker Michael Lichaa won’t be retained.
On June 15 there was a meeting of club chief executive’s and chair people where the Bulldogs proposed introducing a “soft” cap for next year while the prospect of “grandfathering” payments has also been suggested.
This could allow the Bulldogs — for example — to be $400,000 over the salary cap for next year but play under a reduced salary cap of $100,000 per year for the following four seasons.
The NRL are unlikely to show any leniency to those clubs which are not compliant by the start of round one.
Bulldogs chairman Ray Dib is manoeuvring behind the scenes to gather support to ensure the NRL’s salary cap is raised to at least $9.5 million.
He will host a lunch for select rival club bosses on Monday to try and gain support.
Clubs do have plenty of power. All that is needed is five disgruntled clubs to stick together and they could block any salary cap agreement struck between the NRL and the Rugby League Players Association which has the potential to send the game into further chaos.
But at this stage it is unlikely Dib would “have the numbers” to force the stalemate.
It could also cost the club star recruits Kieran Foran and Aaron Woods, whose contracts are yet to be fully ratified by the NRL.
El Diablo, 24 minutes ago
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Michael Carayannis, Exclusive, The Sunday Telegraph
August 13, 2017 6:00am
IT is the multimillion-dollar spending spree which has left Canterbury’s salary cap in disarray with their failure to heed multiple warnings by the NRL leaving the game’s governing body unsympathetic to their plight.
It could also cost the club star recruits Kieran Foran and Aaron Woods, whose contracts are yet to be fully ratified by the NRL.
The Sunday Telegraph can reveal the Bulldogs have been in constant discussions with the NRL about strategies surrounding their salary cap dilemma with fears they could have overspent by up to $1 million.
But the NRL has little sympathy for the Bulldogs who have blatantly disregarded a stack of warnings to curb their spending spree.
Canterbury’s poor on-field performances have not helped with the players they were hoping to move on now becoming less attractive.
Rival clubs are also aware of the Bulldogs overspending, so they hope they can capitalise by securing a bargain buy.
On March 30 and again on April 20, the NRL gave all club CEOs salary cap guidance of $9.14 million for 2018 — this despite suggestions the cap could be as high as $10 million at the end of last year.
Since these warning the Bulldogs have added almost $2 million worth of talent after signing Woods (approximately $700,000), Foran ($900,000) and Fa’amanu Brown ($150,000).
The trio were announced in May. Negotiations with Foran and Woods were well advanced when the NRL shocked clubs with their original salary cap offer of $8.3 million.
That same month the Bulldogs also offered contract extensions to William Hopoate ($500,000), Marcelo Montoya ($100,000), Kerrod Holland ($150,000), Reimis Smith ($100,000) before re-signing Danny Fualalo ($100,000) and Adam Elliott ($150,000) in June.
It is understood some of these players are on back-ended contracts.
The Bulldogs declined to comment on Saturday.
Woods and Foran have only been provisionally registered by the NRL’s salary cap auditors after the Bulldogs provided the NRL with a plan to be under the proposed salary cap by round one.
There is no guarantee the contracts of Woods or Foran will be fully registered by the NRL — meaning they may not be free to turn out for their new club next year.
The NRL required a salary cap plan for the duo to be provisionally registered, which included off-loading a host of players, but poor form coupled with rivals knowing Canterbury must shed players has made the task of moving players on more difficult.
While the Raiders are another club which has overshot the NRL’s proposed salary cap their only new arrival for 2018 is Warriors rookie Erin Clark, who joined the club midway through this season.
The squeeze on the Bulldogs cap comes with the likes of Greg Eastwood and James Graham receiving big pay rises next year because of back ended deals.
While the Bulldogs have added internationals Woods and Foran, they have shed just one contracted player — prop Sam Kasiano who will join Melbourne.
But even then it is understood the Bulldogs will contribute some of Kasiano’s Storm wage.
Favourite son Josh Reynolds will depart the club for the Tigers but he was not contracted beyond this season while hooker Michael Lichaa won’t be retained.
On June 15 there was a meeting of club chief executive’s and chair people where the Bulldogs proposed introducing a “soft” cap for next year while the prospect of “grandfathering” payments has also been suggested.
This could allow the Bulldogs — for example — to be $400,000 over the salary cap for next year but play under a reduced salary cap of $100,000 per year for the following four seasons.
The NRL are unlikely to show any leniency to those clubs which are not compliant by the start of round one.
Bulldogs chairman Ray Dib is manoeuvring behind the scenes to gather support to ensure the NRL’s salary cap is raised to at least $9.5 million.
He will host a lunch for select rival club bosses on Monday to try and gain support.
Clubs do have plenty of power. All that is needed is five disgruntled clubs to stick together and they could block any salary cap agreement struck between the NRL and the Rugby League Players Association which has the potential to send the game into further chaos.
But at this stage it is unlikely Dib would “have the numbers” to force the stalemate.
It could also cost the club star recruits Kieran Foran and Aaron Woods, whose contracts are yet to be fully ratified by the NRL.
El Diablo, 24 minutes ago
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diedpretty
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Jimmy Smith on BSB says a an official from one club ( guessing roosters) told him that they were approached by Canterbury and asked if there was anyone in their top 25 that they would be interested in making an offer on. Dibs lunch must not have gone as planned and Bulldogs feeling the heat.
