Player fire sale just weeks away

[Telltails]

Not surprised, really. The whole setting of the salary has been a complete stuff up the with the wealthy clubs most effected. They were always going to side together and wont be surprised at all to see the NRL buckle to accomodate them.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Canberra in strife. PLEASE.

Naturally Josh Papalii isn't going anywhere though he would be an awesome buy. Yes I would fork out Woods money for him.
How do the Raiders loose Paul Vaughan and still be in cap trouble?

He is nearly the size of a bobcat and will soon be like a bulldozer.

 

[jirskyr]

Back-ended contracts are only an issue because the NRL sets the salary cap a year before the season (actually it's less than a year!). If the NRL could set the cap 3-5 years in advance, then back ended contracts can be measured against the teams net value for future years. It's pretty poor to expect a club to manage a roster 3-6 years in advance without telling them what the cap is.

I've got a feeling that if the NRL says that they have to sell players, then there will be legal challenges flying all over the place. There's been plenty of time when this should have been sorted way earlier and their letting on that the salary cap would be higher, and then flipping and flopping around , hasn't helped anybody.
I'm no expert, but if a business was run like the NRL, , god help them.
This could get a lot stickier yet, as clubs could argue that they have to prepare for next year , and they still have no certainty of what's happening.
Lawyers may have a field day if the NRL tries to play silly Buggers for much longer.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a lot more to come from this

Really. My understanding is that the NRL have told clubs for a while to stay under the existing cap.

I agree with Earl.

I do not have formal Legal training but I struggle to see a legal argument against the NRL here.

NRL would have set the salary cap ages ago if they didn't have to negotiate the CBA with the RLPA, the sticking point appearing to be a guaranteed % of revenues. The RLPA are playing hard-ball so the whole thing is on go-slow.

Certainly it's not an ideal situation, but no justification for big spending on an unconfirmed limit. That's called bad risk management.

And if it's so hard to stay cap compliant whilst you wait for the new cap to be confirmed, how come 4 or 5 clubs are managed it?

So the players aren't exposed, well not the ones with registered contracts, because they have a written agreement. Clubs know there is a salary cap, and just because the figures for 2018 aren't set, doesn't mean you get to overshoot them on speculation.

I have a personal example - a lady I used to work with had her luggage lost on a business trip. She got in contact with the travel insurer who advised she could purchase reasonable clothing and supplies to permit her to complete her business meeting the following day. Like an idiot she went out and bought a thousand dollar suit, and unsurprisingly the insurance company denied the reimbursement. Now the insurance company could have been more clear, if possible, about what "reasonable" would mean, but they ultimately weren't legally/financially liable because the lady didn't use reasonable means.

Similarly I am sure there is fine print that covers the NRL for salary cap discretion and future limit setting.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Back-ended contracts are only an issue because the NRL sets the salary cap a year before the season (actually it's less than a year!). If the NRL could set the cap 3-5 years in advance, then back ended contracts can be measured against the teams net value for future years. It's pretty poor to expect a club to manage a roster 3-6 years in advance without telling them what the cap is.

I've got a feeling that if the NRL says that they have to sell players, then there will be legal challenges flying all over the place. There's been plenty of time when this should have been sorted way earlier and their letting on that the salary cap would be higher, and then flipping and flopping around , hasn't helped anybody.
I'm no expert, but if a business was run like the NRL, , god help them.
This could get a lot stickier yet, as clubs could argue that they have to prepare for next year , and they still have no certainty of what's happening.
Lawyers may have a field day if the NRL tries to play silly Buggers for much longer.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a lot more to come from this

Really. My understanding is that the NRL have told clubs for a while to stay under the existing cap.

I'm pretty sure that you are right about that. But that was after they had been saying that it would be higher. I'm just saying that the clubs may be able claim that the NRL was being negligent in not setting the actual cap much earlier , so the clubs can plan their 2018 Season.
It's ridiculous that all clubs have no certainty about next year.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Self interest rules! Dib trying to save his own position.

How can the Raiders be under pressure when they announced the extension of Jarrod Croker?

 

[earl]

Back-ended contracts are only an issue because the NRL sets the salary cap a year before the season (actually it's less than a year!). If the NRL could set the cap 3-5 years in advance, then back ended contracts can be measured against the teams net value for future years. It's pretty poor to expect a club to manage a roster 3-6 years in advance without telling them what the cap is.

I've got a feeling that if the NRL says that they have to sell players, then there will be legal challenges flying all over the place. There's been plenty of time when this should have been sorted way earlier and their letting on that the salary cap would be higher, and then flipping and flopping around , hasn't helped anybody.
I'm no expert, but if a business was run like the NRL, , god help them.
This could get a lot stickier yet, as clubs could argue that they have to prepare for next year , and they still have no certainty of what's happening.
Lawyers may have a field day if the NRL tries to play silly Buggers for much longer.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a lot more to come from this

Really. My understanding is that the NRL have told clubs for a while to stay under the existing cap.

I'm pretty sure that you are right about that. But that was after they had been saying that it would be higher. I'm just saying that the clubs may be able claim that the NRL was being negligent in not setting the actual cap much earlier , so the clubs can plan their 2018 Season.
It's ridiculous that all clubs have no certainty about next year.

They do. Don't expect an increase in the cap. Any moron running a professional business wouldn't go and spend more than the cap based on thinking it was going to increase. As jirksyr states it's poor risk management.

 

[newtiger]

Back-ended contracts are only an issue because the NRL sets the salary cap a year before the season (actually it's less than a year!). If the NRL could set the cap 3-5 years in advance, then back ended contracts can be measured against the teams net value for future years. It's pretty poor to expect a club to manage a roster 3-6 years in advance without telling them what the cap is.

I've got a feeling that if the NRL says that they have to sell players, then there will be legal challenges flying all over the place. There's been plenty of time when this should have been sorted way earlier and their letting on that the salary cap would be higher, and then flipping and flopping around , hasn't helped anybody.
I'm no expert, but if a business was run like the NRL, , god help them.
This could get a lot stickier yet, as clubs could argue that they have to prepare for next year , and they still have no certainty of what's happening.
Lawyers may have a field day if the NRL tries to play silly Buggers for much longer.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a lot more to come from this

Really. My understanding is that the NRL have told clubs for a while to stay under the existing cap.

I think that you are correct Earl that is why Cleary pulled Moses' contract and down graded Brooks contract.

 

[supercoach]

For the past three years we have been playing with one hand tied behind our backs due to the mess our previous management got us into with the salary cap. We took our medicine and made some hard calls, had some lean years and now we have come out the other side ready to be able compete on a level playing field.

Now we find a few other clubs have done the same and got themselves in a real mess with the cap, but they are not prepared to go through some hard times, they want to lobby and do what ever to get the cap increased so they are compliant. I will be so dirty if the NRL give into these clubs, but I have a horrible feeling there is going to be a deal stitched up where they have 12months to get compliant or something else. Be a very sad day for the NRL if this happens

 

[Pawsandclaws]

I've got a feeling that if the NRL says that they have to sell players, then there will be legal challenges flying all over the place. There's been plenty of time when this should have been sorted way earlier and their letting on that the salary cap would be higher, and then flipping and flopping around , hasn't helped anybody.
I'm no expert, but if a business was run like the NRL, , god help them.
This could get a lot stickier yet, as clubs could argue that they have to prepare for next year , and they still have no certainty of what's happening.
Lawyers may have a field day if the NRL tries to play silly Buggers for much longer.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a lot more to come from this

Really. My understanding is that the NRL have told clubs for a while to stay under the existing cap.

I'm pretty sure that you are right about that. But that was after they had been saying that it would be higher. I'm just saying that the clubs may be able claim that the NRL was being negligent in not setting the actual cap much earlier , so the clubs can plan their 2018 Season.
It's ridiculous that all clubs have no certainty about next year.

They do. Don't expect an increase in the cap. Any moron running a professional business wouldn't go and spend more than the cap based on thinking it was going to increase. As jirksyr states it's poor risk management.

Must be some kind of record with three f bombs used in one sentence in the Dib meeting thread on The Kennel.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Back-ended contracts are only an issue because the NRL sets the salary cap a year before the season (actually it's less than a year!). If the NRL could set the cap 3-5 years in advance, then back ended contracts can be measured against the teams net value for future years. It's pretty poor to expect a club to manage a roster 3-6 years in advance without telling them what the cap is.

I've got a feeling that if the NRL says that they have to sell players, then there will be legal challenges flying all over the place. There's been plenty of time when this should have been sorted way earlier and their letting on that the salary cap would be higher, and then flipping and flopping around , hasn't helped anybody.
I'm no expert, but if a business was run like the NRL, , god help them.
This could get a lot stickier yet, as clubs could argue that they have to prepare for next year , and they still have no certainty of what's happening.
Lawyers may have a field day if the NRL tries to play silly Buggers for much longer.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a lot more to come from this

Really. My understanding is that the NRL have told clubs for a while to stay under the existing cap.

I'm pretty sure that you are right about that. But that was after they had been saying that it would be higher. I'm just saying that the clubs may be able claim that the NRL was being negligent in not setting the actual cap much earlier , so the clubs can plan their 2018 Season.
It's ridiculous that all clubs have no certainty about next year.

So what is Cam going to do about it?

 

[Devon Head]

Daily Tele today reporting that the heads of some of Sydney's clubs have been invited to a succulent Chinese meal by Ray Dibb to discuss the salary cap issues facing a lot of clubs. Those supposedly invited to said dinner are:

Gus Gould - Penrith
Don Furner - Canberra
Brian Johnston - Dragons
Joe Kelly - Roosters
Lyall Gorman - Cronulla
Shane Richardson - Rabbits
Bernie Gurr - Parra
Todd Greenberg- NRL

Can only imagine how said dinner works. "Hey Todd how about you agree to increase the cap to something closer to 10M and we'll all give you a brown paper bag as an early Christmas gift". No surprise there's no one from the Knights or Tigers invited to the dinner as we're both least affected by the cap figure.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Daily Tele today reporting that the heads of some of Sydney's clubs have been invited to a **succulent Chinese meal** by Ray Dibb to discuss the salary cap issues facing a lot of clubs. Those supposedly invited to said dinner are:

Gus Gould - Penrith
Don Furner - Canberra
Brian Johnston - Dragons
Joe Kelly - Roosters
Lyall Gorman - Cronulla
Shane Richardson - Rabbits
Bernie Gurr - Parra
Todd Greenberg- NRL

Can only imagine how said dinner works. "Hey Todd how about you agree to increase the cap to something closer to 10M and we'll all give you a brown paper bag as an early Christmas gift". No surprise there's no one from the Knights or Tigers invited to the dinner as we're both least affected by the cap figure.

Sounds like democracy manifest. I hope they know their judo well.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Daily Tele today reporting that the heads of some of Sydney's clubs have been invited to a **succulent Chinese meal** by Ray Dibb to discuss the salary cap issues facing a lot of clubs. Those supposedly invited to said dinner are:

Gus Gould - Penrith
Don Furner - Canberra
Brian Johnston - Dragons
Joe Kelly - Roosters
Lyall Gorman - Cronulla
Shane Richardson - Rabbits
Bernie Gurr - Parra
Todd Greenberg- NRL

Can only imagine how said dinner works. "Hey Todd how about you agree to increase the cap to something closer to 10M and we'll all give you a brown paper bag as an early Christmas gift". No surprise there's no one from the Knights or Tigers invited to the dinner as we're both least affected by the cap figure.

Sounds like democracy manifest. I hope they know their judo well.

Hopefully no one gets grabbed on their limp penis.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Daily Tele today reporting that the heads of some of Sydney's clubs have been invited to a **succulent Chinese meal** by Ray Dibb to discuss the salary cap issues facing a lot of clubs. Those supposedly invited to said dinner are:

Gus Gould - Penrith
Don Furner - Canberra
Brian Johnston - Dragons
Joe Kelly - Roosters
Lyall Gorman - Cronulla
Shane Richardson - Rabbits
Bernie Gurr - Parra
Todd Greenberg- NRL

Can only imagine how said dinner works. "Hey Todd how about you agree to increase the cap to something closer to 10M and we'll all give you a brown paper bag as an early Christmas gift". No surprise there's no one from the Knights or Tigers invited to the dinner as we're both least affected by the cap figure.

Sounds like democracy manifest. I hope they know their judo well.

Hopefully no one gets grabbed on their limp penis.

There's definitely potential for some kind of Woodsy joke as the succulent Chinese meal guy.

 

[Devon Head]

Daily Tele today reporting that the heads of some of Sydney's clubs have been invited to a **succulent Chinese meal** by Ray Dibb to discuss the salary cap issues facing a lot of clubs. Those supposedly invited to said dinner are:

Gus Gould - Penrith
Don Furner - Canberra
Brian Johnston - Dragons
Joe Kelly - Roosters
Lyall Gorman - Cronulla
Shane Richardson - Rabbits
Bernie Gurr - Parra
Todd Greenberg- NRL

Can only imagine how said dinner works. "Hey Todd how about you agree to increase the cap to something closer to 10M and we'll all give you a brown paper bag as an early Christmas gift". No surprise there's no one from the Knights or Tigers invited to the dinner as we're both least affected by the cap figure.

Sounds like democracy manifest. I hope they know their judo well.

Hopefully no one gets grabbed on their limp penis.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: This is hypocrisy manifest.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Daily Tele today reporting that the heads of some of Sydney's clubs have been invited to a succulent Chinese meal by Ray Dibb to discuss the salary cap issues facing a lot of clubs. Those supposedly invited to said dinner are:

Gus Gould - Penrith
Don Furner - Canberra
Brian Johnston - Dragons
Joe Kelly - Roosters
Lyall Gorman - Cronulla
Shane Richardson - Rabbits
Bernie Gurr - Parra
Todd Greenberg- NRL

Can only imagine how said dinner works. "Hey Todd how about you agree to increase the cap to something closer to 10M and we'll all give you a brown paper bag as an early Christmas gift". No surprise there's no one from the Knights or Tigers invited to the dinner as we're both least affected by the cap figure.

Is anyone surprised that now the salary cap appears to be working against the more powerful clubs that Dib has organised a whinge fest?

Will we ever be informed of how many players have been signed or extended by clubs whose salary cap had already been exceeded ie players kept or purchased when said clubs well knew they were in excess of the salary cap? WIll the NRL refuse to register these contracts?

 

[JD Tiger]

Back-ended contracts are only an issue because the NRL sets the salary cap a year before the season (actually it's less than a year!). If the NRL could set the cap 3-5 years in advance, then back ended contracts can be measured against the teams net value for future years. It's pretty poor to expect a club to manage a roster 3-6 years in advance without telling them what the cap is.

I've got a feeling that if the NRL says that they have to sell players, then there will be legal challenges flying all over the place. There's been plenty of time when this should have been sorted way earlier and their letting on that the salary cap would be higher, and then flipping and flopping around , hasn't helped anybody.
I'm no expert, but if a business was run like the NRL, , god help them.
This could get a lot stickier yet, as clubs could argue that they have to prepare for next year , and they still have no certainty of what's happening.
Lawyers may have a field day if the NRL tries to play silly Buggers for much longer.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a lot more to come from this

Really. My understanding is that the NRL have told clubs for a while to stay under the existing cap.

Speculated cap for 2018 was around $10m, cap now being said to probably be around the $9.2m, and now for 30 players not 25.
Cap for 2017 was only $7m.

It really is a dog's breakfast, what about the cap for 2019? 2020? It makes sense to back end contracts in one way, the cap may be $10m in 2020, it might be $12m in 2022\. Teams who have signed 10 year contracts (DCE, Taumolo) and flying absolutely blind, but no one had a problem there.

It's ludicrous, and now the big business end of town will speak to Greenberg (how that made the papers I don't know) and will possibly bully, intimidate, threaten, Ensure that he comes around to their way of thinking.

Remember, Greenberg is the guy who covered up Ben Barba's domestic violence issues for over a year at the Dogs, he is no cleanskin.

 

[Devon Head]

Daily Tele today reporting that the heads of some of Sydney's clubs have been invited to a succulent Chinese meal by Ray Dibb to discuss the salary cap issues facing a lot of clubs. Those supposedly invited to said dinner are:

Gus Gould - Penrith
Don Furner - Canberra
Brian Johnston - Dragons
Joe Kelly - Roosters
Lyall Gorman - Cronulla
Shane Richardson - Rabbits
Bernie Gurr - Parra
Todd Greenberg- NRL

Can only imagine how said dinner works. "Hey Todd how about you agree to increase the cap to something closer to 10M and we'll all give you a brown paper bag as an early Christmas gift". No surprise there's no one from the Knights or Tigers invited to the dinner as we're both least affected by the cap figure.

Is anyone surprised that now the salary cap appears to be working against the more powerful clubs that Dib has organised a whinge fest?

Will we ever be informed of how many players have been signed or extended by clubs whose salary cap had already been exceeded ie players kept or purchased when said clubs well knew they were in excess of the salary cap? WIll the NRL refuse to register these contracts?

My gut feeling is NRL will cave and give into those clubs who've over shot the cap mark especially if there's a number of them as rumored. NRL is all bark but no bite when it comes to the big/controversial decisions.

 

[AL The Tiger]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/canterbury-bulldogs-chairman-ray-dib-sets-up-secret-clubs-meeting-as-salary-cap-war-with-nrl-looms/news-story/a571b15ef9f7943d7c50177add813356

IT IS the Chinese meal which could flip rugby league on its head.

Some of the game’s most powerful club figures have been invited to an exclusive, secret Chinese feast on Monday by Canterbury chairman Ray Dib, as the clubs prepare to wage war on the NRL’s planned $9.2 million dollar salary cap offer.

Among the invitees of the original email sent on Wednesday include Penrith’s Phil Gould and Brian Fletcher, Canberra’s Don Furner, St George Illawarra chairman Brian Johnston, Roosters boss Joe Kelly, Cronulla chief executive Lyall Gorman and South Sydney’s head of football Shane Richardson. Parramatta’s Bernie Gurr has also been extended an invite while Wests Tigers officials were snubbed.

NRL boss Todd Greenberg has also been invited and is expected to front up where it is understood he will give the clubs an updated understanding of the NRL’s salary cap position.

Canterbury and Canberra are among the clubs in most salary cap strife while a host of others clubs budgeted for a salary cap of about $9.5 million.
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Nick Pappas and Ray Dib arrive for a meeting with NRL Chairman John Grant. Picture Gregg Porteous
With suggestions the cap could be as low as $9.2 million next year, tensions are starting to build within club ranks as they fear that may need to shed a host of star players. Canterbury have been making waves with NRL officials in recent weeks as they look to work out how they can become salary cap compliant by the time next year’s season starts.

However, clubs have plenty of power if they present a united front. All that is needed is five disgruntled clubs to stick together and they could block any salary cap agreement struck between the NRL and the Rugby League Players Association which has the potential to send the game into further chaos.

Seventy five per cent of clubs — or 12 of the 16 — must agree to the new collective bargaining agreement. Greenberg and the NRL will meet all clubs on Thursday to present the new-look CBA.

Dib said he would use Monday’s meeting to gauge each club’s position, with the salary cap expected to dominate proceedings. Dib has promised to shout the attendees lunch inside Canterbury Leagues Club.

“It is a catch-up with some of the executive of the various NSW-based membership owned clubs,” Dib told the Daily Telegraph. “It is to find out where everyone is at. What their feelings are and the general conscious heading into next week’s meeting.”
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NRL CEO Todd Greenberg has been invited to attend.
Aside from potentially rounding up five clubs in a bid to block a low-balled salary cap offer, other salary cap alternatives will also be discussed on Monday. These include having a “soft” salary cap for next year or having a higher cap for 2018 before scaling back player costs over for the next three years.

Meanwhile, Canterbury have named Andrew Hill as chief executive to replace Raelene Castle. Hill won’t start until December, when his commitments end as boss of the World Cup.

Listen! David Riccio, Michael Carayannis and Paul Suttor discuss tenuous coaching positions, the next immortal and if Cronulla can revive their title defence. Plus a full Round 23 preview.
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He has enjoyed a long history with the game having played for Parramatta before making a successful transition into successful sports administration.

“It is a very exciting opportunity for me,” Hill said. “Canterbury has a strong, proud history. While I’m looking forward to joining the club my immediate focus is on continuing to work hard and ensuing the Rugby League World Cup is a success and we deliver an outcome that grows the game both in traditional and emerging markets.”

That's absolutely astonishing.
If the NRL fall to these bullies, I will (for the first time in my life) seriously consider giving up following the sport. The fact that only 8 of the 16 teams were invited to this "secret meeting", yet WT were named as the ones that were "snubbed" truly accentuates the media's burning agenda against us.

Why can't these "top clubs" deal with the fact they messed up? It's time for the lower clubs to come out on top. These cap rorting thieves can't deal with the fact they are seriously declining, especially the Bulldogs. I have never had more of a hate for the Bulldogs and the Roosters than now. They are seriously the abomination of the sport, altering this sport's focus into the business factor rather than the athletes.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Daily Tele today reporting that the heads of some of Sydney's clubs have been invited to a **succulent Chinese meal** by Ray Dibb to discuss the salary cap issues facing a lot of clubs. Those supposedly invited to said dinner are:

Gus Gould - Penrith
Don Furner - Canberra
Brian Johnston - Dragons
Joe Kelly - Roosters
Lyall Gorman - Cronulla
Shane Richardson - Rabbits
Bernie Gurr - Parra
Todd Greenberg- NRL

Can only imagine how said dinner works. "Hey Todd how about you agree to increase the cap to something closer to 10M and we'll all give you a brown paper bag as an early Christmas gift". No surprise there's no one from the Knights or Tigers invited to the dinner as we're both least affected by the cap figure.

Sounds like democracy manifest. I hope they know their judo well.

Hopefully no one gets grabbed on their limp penis.

There's definitely potential for some kind of Woodsy joke as the succulent Chinese meal guy.

Nah he's not nearly eloquent enough haha…

"On what charge... Having a feed? A succulent Chinese feed wif the missus?"