Players ins v outs

[Tigerdon]

Charlie Taylor the winger

Where has Taylor gone?
I thought he showed some promise.
Looks like we are getting rid of every winger in the club so we can play Rankin in first grade.

Accountability, what the hell is that JT, another year of Rankin plodding up and down the wing will do my head in, we surely must have someone lined up.

Calm yourself, it's early days in the off season. The signing of Idris is going to trigger changes in the back line already. Naiqama will get a wing spot ahead of Rankin if he doesn't got to ESL and if he does go to ESL then we'll have money to get a specialist winger of first grade standard.

I'm freaking out as well.
Love the Fro in attack, if he does move to wing, he'll have to start wing defence training very soon. Now that we have two defence coaches.

 

[innsaneink]

I'm also bearing in mind how many players come off contract end of 2018, it's a huge market and maybe we are positioning ourselves for that?

Knowing who the coach will be would help with recruitment immensely….I wonder if theyre thinking long term for JT?

 

[snowleopard]

On Kev..haven't seen him in any of the training pics and he posted a pic on twitter in Thailand last week?

 

[mustafa]

Just read that Obed Kharwin has signed with the Redcliffe dolphins for next season. Not that by any means is he a world beater but we arent exactly flush with wingers at the Tigers. So all up whether they were released or signed with another club we have lost :- Kharwin , Peni , Taylor , Addo Carr , Drinkwater , Fine , Liolevave , Buchanan , Cherrington , Farah , Halatau and now Sironen. And the only official signing coming in is Idris. I know most of the players mentioned above are not on big dollars but it all adds up. Either the club is holding some cash back until the right players come along to sign or they are still paying crazy amounts to the bulk of the squad. Would really like to see a few more additions to the squad before the start of the 2017 season or the club in my opinion is going ti struggle with player depth when injuries come up. It is just hard watching other clubs sign this player and that player and we have made one. It really is hard being a Wests Tigers supporter sometimes but i will keep my fingers crossed for next season.

Charlie Taylor on the rugby site, has been picked for the Australian rugby 7s team and is over in Fiji now vs all the pacific nations in a tournament, before their world series tournaments in Dubai starts in December. But we couldn't hang onto him for the wing spot plus would have been awesome in our 9s in February. Who is running the recruitment at the moment ??? And what about other good young players …Jordan Grant I have heard he hasn't been approached for a new contract and Wesley Lolo ??? One of my favourite props going around. It doesn't seem to be much communication going on at the club at and players are leaving

 

[newtiger]

Look on the upside…...none if any of the players you named are much of a loss TBH(except for Farah ON the field, not off it).
At least we are burning off some dead wood these days instead of stockpiling it like we used to.

Watch what you say or you have all the nasties hammering you on here, but you speak the truth.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Lost Taylor? He is training with the team now, and we now have some extra $$$ to make it official.

Did I miss something?

Just read that Obed Kharwin has signed with the Redcliffe dolphins for next season. Not that by any means is he a world beater but we arent exactly flush with wingers at the Tigers. So all up whether they were released or signed with another club we have lost :- Kharwin , Peni , Taylor , Addo Carr , Drinkwater , Fine , Liolevave , Buchanan , Cherrington , Farah , Halatau and now Sironen. And the only official signing coming in is Idris. I know most of the players mentioned above are not on big dollars but it all adds up. Either the club is holding some cash back until the right players come along to sign or they are still paying crazy amounts to the bulk of the squad. Would really like to see a few more additions to the squad before the start of the 2017 season or the club in my opinion is going ti struggle with player depth when injuries come up. It is just hard watching other clubs sign this player and that player and we have made one. It really is hard being a Wests Tigers supporter sometimes but i will keep my fingers crossed for next season.

Charlie Taylor the winger

Where has Taylor gone?
I thought he showed some promise.
Looks like we are getting rid of every winger in the club so we can play Rankin in first grade.

Have a whinge ya sook.

 

[Harvey]

We are very thin in the outside backs, and need to look for some reinforcements. I assume that they will need to be minimum contract player given that we could not sign E Taylor until Sirro was punted.
Will either need to be promising u/20 players, blokes being released, or people desperate for a 1st grade opportunity. I saw that Carlin Anderson has signed with NQ, I would be looking at Jacob Gagan from the sharks. He would be a chance to cover a wing spot and has some size about him.

Looking at some of the outside backs that have been moved along and signed with other clubs (Moga, Kennar, Jennings bros etc, our cap must really be in a mess.

 

[tiga4eva]

Instead of signing a middle of the road outside back for $150-60k, I'd promote a kid like Heleta or Jacobs and give the balance to Moses and Teddy. They're the priorities atm.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Instead of signing a middle of the road outside back for $150-60k, I'd promote a kid like Heleta or Jacobs and give the balance to Moses and Teddy. They're the priorities atm.

x2

 

[happy_tiger]

Here's two more names for your "Out List".
McConnachie and Milone

"Kharwin , Peni , Charlie Taylor , Addo Carr , Drinkwater , Fine , Liolevave , Buchanan , Cherrington , Farah , Halatau, Sironen".

You have to laugh

We keep the "plodders" and everyone is up in arms

We release the "plodders" and others are up in arms

I've been meaning to ask Geo about his "plodders" rankings

Does every player have a "plodders" ranking or does it get updated /upgraded/downgraded game to game or on a season to season basis

So for an example , does Tedesco ,Woods or Moses have Plodder rankings ??

 

[palms]

Plain and simply, we need to get another outside back and another SR. If injuries strike we are in all sorts of grief.

 

[jirskyr]

Here's two more names for your "Out List".
McConnachie and Milone

"Kharwin , Peni , Charlie Taylor , Addo Carr , Drinkwater , Fine , Liolevave , Buchanan , Cherrington , Farah , Halatau, Sironen".

You have to laugh

We keep the "plodders" and everyone is up in arms

We release the "plodders" and others are up in arms

I've been meaning to ask Geo about his "plodders" rankings

Does every player have a "plodders" ranking or does it get updated /upgraded/downgraded game to game or on a season to season basis

So for an example , does Tedesco ,Woods or Moses have Plodder rankings ??

You have to be a plodder to earn a plodder ranking. You can't be grading pork to prime beef standards.

Rankings can change, but normally there isn't much movements because categories like "wrongness of head" tend to be consistent.

 

[happy_tiger]

Here's two more names for your "Out List".
McConnachie and Milone

"Kharwin , Peni , Charlie Taylor , Addo Carr , Drinkwater , Fine , Liolevave , Buchanan , Cherrington , Farah , Halatau, Sironen".

You have to laugh

We keep the "plodders" and everyone is up in arms

We release the "plodders" and others are up in arms

I've been meaning to ask Geo about his "plodders" rankings

Does every player have a "plodders" ranking or does it get updated /upgraded/downgraded game to game or on a season to season basis

So for an example , does Tedesco ,Woods or Moses have Plodder rankings ??

You have to be a plodder to earn a plodder ranking. You can't be grading pork to prime beef standards.

Rankings can change, but normally there isn't much movements because categories like "wrongness of head" tend to be consistent.

But we have players who can be superstars one week and plodders the next 😕

Maybe we need a superstar plodder category

I can't see too much changing in our squad , we just need to hope they improve or salary cap cheats abound everywhere

 

[bigsiro]

Looks like we got rid of some deadwood, so no complaints here. Problem is they were fringe first-graders anyway (excl Farah).
I would like to see us shed some of the more prominent fringe first-graders who end up playing first grade regularly (Rankin and Lovett) and gain some real quality in those positions. Then get a bloody goal kicker. Only then would I feel that we don't have too many weaknesses.

 

[barra]

Have a feeling that an impressive off season will see Heleta right in the mix, and so it should. If ever a guy deserves a chance its him. From mostly playing left centre he showed his versatility this year switching to fullback and being an attacking force all over the field. Reports suggested he busted his backside all season on and off the field. I have a gut feeling that while he may not "test" as well as some natural athletic outside backs in our off season testing, he will out play them and grab any opportunity through a bigger heart….exactly what we need. Give him a go.

Agree with that King sirro watched Heleta plety of times this year and thought he went well in what ever position they played him in. I know he doesnt get mentioned that much but he must be there abouts the first grade squad. Hopefully with a big pre season he can put his name forward.

I would also love to see Heleta make a success of a first grade position. He has great attitude and an interesting build - a little on the short side, but I'm looking forward to seeing what a full off-season can do for him. Hopefully some NRL coaching can help him to the next level.

 

[bp_tiger]

heres two more for the list dallas graham and I believe Jordan grant.

 

[supercoach]

Here's two more names for your "Out List".
McConnachie and Milone

"Kharwin , Peni , Charlie Taylor , Addo Carr , Drinkwater , Fine , Liolevave , Buchanan , Cherrington , Farah , Halatau, Sironen".

You have to laugh

We keep the "plodders" and everyone is up in arms

We release the "plodders" and others are up in arms

I've been meaning to ask Geo about his "plodders" rankings

Does every player have a "plodders" ranking or does it get updated
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Happy I remember years ago Roy and HG had the Kevin Hardwick scale and would rate everyone in Kevin Hardwicks because they thought he was the bsolute middle of he pack when it came to footballers. So a Teddy would be 5 Kevin Hardwicks and say Rankin would be half a Hardwick
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/upgraded/downgraded game to game or on a season to season basis

So for an example , does Tedesco ,Woods or Moses have Plodder rankings ??

 

[happy_tiger]

Here's two more names for your "Out List".
McConnachie and Milone

"Kharwin , Peni , Charlie Taylor , Addo Carr , Drinkwater , Fine , Liolevave , Buchanan , Cherrington , Farah , Halatau, Sironen".

You have to laugh

We keep the "plodders" and everyone is up in arms

We release the "plodders" and others are up in arms

I've been meaning to ask Geo about his "plodders" rankings

Does every player have a "plodders" ranking or does it get updated
\
\
Happy I remember years ago Roy and HG had the Kevin Hardwick scale and would rate everyone in Kevin Hardwicks because they thought he was the bsolute middle of he pack when it came to footballers. So a Teddy would be 5 Kevin Hardwicks and say Rankin would be half a Hardwick
\
\
/upgraded/downgraded game to game or on a season to season basis

So for an example , does Tedesco ,Woods or Moses have Plodder rankings ??

Like it mate

So who is our true middle of the road player though SC

Hope your taking notes Geo :laughing:

 

[jirskyr]

Here's two more names for your "Out List".
McConnachie and Milone

"Kharwin , Peni , Charlie Taylor , Addo Carr , Drinkwater , Fine , Liolevave , Buchanan , Cherrington , Farah , Halatau, Sironen".

You have to laugh

We keep the "plodders" and everyone is up in arms

We release the "plodders" and others are up in arms

I've been meaning to ask Geo about his "plodders" rankings

Does every player have a "plodders" ranking or does it get updated /upgraded/downgraded game to game or on a season to season basis

So for an example , does Tedesco ,Woods or Moses have Plodder rankings ??

You have to be a plodder to earn a plodder ranking. You can't be grading pork to prime beef standards.

Rankings can change, but normally there isn't much movements because categories like "wrongness of head" tend to be consistent.

But we have players who can be superstars one week and plodders the next 😕

Maybe we need a superstar plodder category

I can't see too much changing in our squad , we just need to hope they improve or salary cap cheats abound everywhere

Well that person isn't necessarily a plodder, they are just inconsistent. Plodders usually cannot get to superstar level at any week, because then they evolve into being actual legitimate quality first-graders; there are very few Grade A Plodders.

Jack Buchanan is your archetype middle-of-the-road plodder: not hopeless, does alright in firsts, does similarly alright in reserves, slow and a bit busted, not lacking heart but fairly lacking in skill.

Bald before his years is common, excessively wide thighs are a must, busted nose adds to the charisma, possibly mangled ears from spending time in rugby scrums as a young man. No personal sponsorship, no lair haircuts or shiny boots, no followers on twitter.

Artie Beetson and Blocker Roach were top-flight plodders - ugly and slow, but impossible to tackle and with a mean offload. Grade A plodders to the point of being legends in the game.

Carl Webb is a prime example of a swinging plodder like you note - sometimes amazing but more often hopeless. I would say however that plodders might do some amazing _things_, but rarely manage absolutely dominate games. After all they are plodders, and their innate ploddering tends to come to the fore.

Geo and my initial thoughts on Plodders were here:
http://www.weststigersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=27914
and here
http://www.weststigersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=27974&p=757707&hilit=plodder+grade+A#p757707

But a tricky beast to truly define, The Plodder. It's kind of like the LBW of the rugby league world.

 

[jirskyr]

Here's two more names for your "Out List".
McConnachie and Milone

"Kharwin , Peni , Charlie Taylor , Addo Carr , Drinkwater , Fine , Liolevave , Buchanan , Cherrington , Farah , Halatau, Sironen".

You have to laugh

We keep the "plodders" and everyone is up in arms

We release the "plodders" and others are up in arms

I've been meaning to ask Geo about his "plodders" rankings

Does every player have a "plodders" ranking or does it get updated
\
\
Happy I remember years ago Roy and HG had the Kevin Hardwick scale and would rate everyone in Kevin Hardwicks because they thought he was the bsolute middle of he pack when it came to footballers. So a Teddy would be 5 Kevin Hardwicks and say Rankin would be half a Hardwick
\
\
/upgraded/downgraded game to game or on a season to season basis

So for an example , does Tedesco ,Woods or Moses have Plodder rankings ??

Like it mate

So who is our true middle of the road player though SC

Hope your taking notes Geo :laughing:

We haven't got anyone legendary enough yet. The answer is Tim Grant, but I'm not going to start measuring players in terms of "Grants" when he's only been with us 1 season.

I kind of like Kyle Lovett as a measuring stick though, kind of like the freezing point of water, what do you think? Hard to go below a Lovett, but it is possible.

Tedesco would be 10 Lovetts, Woods 8.5 Lovetts I reckon. Moses a 7 Lovetts. Lovett himself is 1.0 Lovett. Jordan Rankin is 0.8 Lovetts. Daniel Fitzhenry was 2 Lovetts.

BUT Lovett I think is very slowly improving as a footballer, glacial pace, but a glacier going uphill.