Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[hammertime]

Little off topic, but how about Tony 'scumbag' Abbott saying that he would challenge Same Sex Marriage in the ACT if it passed… This man just keeps on making me vomit more and more every day...

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That's about protecting the constitution.

I think given time we will see a conscience vote in the House of Reps. Abbott seems to be slowly softening up on the issue and more open to a vote.

You just can't expect a religious person like him to change overnight.

 

[Flippedy]

seems okay, probably will get replaced. most new leaders of defeated parties are before election day.

Would rather it had been Albanese, tbh - at least he's not a turncoat. Shorten was instrumental in getting rid of Rudd, initially, and then he turned his back on Gillard when she needed him most! I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

 

[wtigers]

Little off topic, but how about Tony 'scumbag' Abbott saying that he would challenge Same Sex Marriage in the ACT if it passed… This man just keeps on making me vomit more and more every day...

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That's about protecting the constitution.

I think given time we will see a conscience vote in the House of Reps. Abbott seems to be slowly softening up on the issue and more open to a vote.

You just can't expect a religious person like him to change overnight.

I can and will when in comes to the rights on the individual. I'm sorry but I simply don't accept 'he needs time' to justify actions which deny someone their rights.

If it's about protecting the constitution, why is an action like this even allowed to happen in the first place? Like legitimately I don't know much about the constitution, but if it needs protection from something then why is the something that threatens it even an option that can be undertaken if that makes sense.

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[farmduck]

Commonwealth Of Australia Constitution Act
Part V - Powers of the Parliament

51.The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to: -

(xxi.) Marriage:

(xxii.) Divorce and matrimonial causes; and in relation thereto, parental rights, and the custody and guardianship of infants:

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Constitution

 

[stryker]

Wonder what people's thoughts on Bustling Billy Shorten's selection as new Labor leader ??

Good reward for all his 'hardwork'.

Just goes to show that being a snivelling, unethical and trecherous snake can get you ahead in life if you spend the majority of your time greasing palms and backstabbing colleagues. He'd be a great bloke to be in the trenches with…

 

[Newtown]

seems okay, probably will get replaced. most new leaders of defeated parties are before election day.

Julia Gillard was the leader of the party she lead to victory in 2010 but she was replaced before the next election due to the self interest of her colleagues.

 

[pHyR3]

seems okay, probably will get replaced. most new leaders of defeated parties are before election day.

Julia Gillard was the leader of the party she lead to victory in 2010 but she was replaced before the next election due to the self interest of her colleagues.

Nah, i think there was a stat that said either never, or very rarely in the last 100 years has a leader that was elected after a resounding defeat led that party to a victory in 3 years time, they either lost or were replaced.

 

[Yossarian]

seems okay, probably will get replaced. most new leaders of defeated parties are before election day.

Julia Gillard was the leader of the party she lead to victory in 2010 but she was replaced before the next election due to the self interest of her colleagues.

Nah, i think there was a stat that said either never, or very rarely in the last 100 years has a leader that was elected after a resounding defeat led that party to a victory in 3 years time, they either lost or were replaced.

Beazley won the 2PP in 1998\. It's hard but not impossible.

 

[Yossarian]

Wonder what people's thoughts on Bustling Billy Shorten's selection as new Labor leader ??

Good reward for all his 'hardwork'.

Just goes to show that being a snivelling, unethical and trecherous snake can get you ahead in life if you spend the majority of your time greasing palms and backstabbing colleagues. He'd be a great bloke to be in the trenches with…

Out of interest what was the character assassination you had ready to go if Albanese had have won?

 

[hammertime]

I can and will when in comes to the rights on the individual. I'm sorry but I simply don't accept 'he needs time' to justify actions which deny someone their rights.

If it's about protecting the constitution, why is an action like this even allowed to happen in the first place? Like legitimately I don't know much about the constitution, but if it needs protection from something then why is the something that threatens it even an option that can be undertaken if that makes sense.

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Sure, well that would be nice for sure. It would be great if slavery would never have happened and gay marriage would have been allowed in the first century. But the human race has needed development personally and socially over time.

It's a rule that has been around for centuries. It will happen, just hearts and minds aren't ever won overnight. Don't play the man, play the instutitions that have allowed this way of thinking for centuries. Tony was voted in by the people, if it was so important to people, he wouldn't have got in.

The consistution sets up rules so states dont act alone. It's a clear seperation of powers. It's a bit sad that the ACT government are playing a political game with an issue like this, but it's good that it keeps the discussion going.

I think the Liberal cabinet will play a big part in this. They work as a team far more than Labor, so while Tony will have a big say, he won't always be setting the tone.

 

[genoshan]

I feel the same as others about Bill Shorten. He has blood on his hands. He is the Italy of the Labor party.

He will swap sides to suit his own agenda at the drop of a hat. The Australian voters won't accept him.

 

[magpiecol]

Give me a break. There are much more important things to worry about than same sex marriage. By the way, check out the meaning of marriage.

 

[stryker]

Wonder what people's thoughts on Bustling Billy Shorten's selection as new Labor leader ??

Good reward for all his 'hardwork'.

Just goes to show that being a snivelling, unethical and trecherous snake can get you ahead in life if you spend the majority of your time greasing palms and backstabbing colleagues. He'd be a great bloke to be in the trenches with…

Out of interest what was the character assassination you had ready to go if Albanese had have won?

I don't mind Albo…I disagree with some of his thoughts but respect him as a straight down the line sort of bloke. If Labor were serious about keeping the bastards honest so to speak then he was the man for the job and it seems the majority of members agree.

 

[stryker]

Little off topic, but how about Tony 'scumbag' Abbott saying that he would challenge Same Sex Marriage in the ACT if it passed… This man just keeps on making me vomit more and more every day...

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You have to respect that the majority of people do not see this as the number one priority at the moment. Like Hammer says, it will happen, but if the population are continually bombarded with this issue it will turn those sitting on the fence away from gay marriage which in turn will prolong the installation of it. The lobbyists keep calling those that oppose it closed minded. I would call the majority indifferent. If you got out of the cities and asked people what they thought you would be surprised with the answer.

 

[Yossarian]

Little off topic, but how about Tony 'scumbag' Abbott saying that he would challenge Same Sex Marriage in the ACT if it passed… This man just keeps on making me vomit more and more every day...

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You have to respect that the majority of people do not see this as the number one priority at the moment. Like Hammer says, it will happen, but if the population are continually bombarded with this issue it will turn those sitting on the fence away from gay marriage which in turn will prolong the installation of it. The lobbyists keep calling those that oppose it closed minded. I would call the majority indifferent. If you got out of the cities and asked people what they thought you would be surprised with the answer.

There are thousands of things passed by parliament that aren't seen as the number one priority at the moment. This is one of the all time strawman arguments against doing virtually anything. It's not like changing the law really effects anyone apart from those who can then get married or is really going to take up much time in legislating.

 

[Yossarian]

Wonder what people's thoughts on Bustling Billy Shorten's selection as new Labor leader ??

Good reward for all his 'hardwork'.

Just goes to show that being a snivelling, unethical and trecherous snake can get you ahead in life if you spend the majority of your time greasing palms and backstabbing colleagues. He'd be a great bloke to be in the trenches with…

Out of interest what was the character assassination you had ready to go if Albanese had have won?

I don't mind Albo…I disagree with some of his thoughts but respect him as a straight down the line sort of bloke. If Labor were serious about keeping the bastards honest so to speak then he was the man for the job and it seems the majority of members agree.

Personally I'd rather Albo. Albo came across as someone who wanted the job for what he could do with it. Shorten comes across as someone who just wants the job - sort of the ALP version of Abbott/Turnbull. That's not to say he can't be effective but it will depend on how Abbott performs.

 

[Yossarian]

Give me a break. There are much more important things to worry about than same sex marriage. By the way, check out the meaning of marriage.

Might not be important to you but it is to many others. I'm sure there are things you care about that a lot of other people don't too…

 

[happy_tiger]

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Wonder what people's thoughts on Bustling Billy Shorten's selection as new Labor leader ??

Good reward for all his 'hardwork'.

Just goes to show that being a snivelling, unethical and trecherous snake can get you ahead in life if you spend the majority of your time greasing palms and backstabbing colleagues. He'd be a great bloke to be in the trenches with…

Out of interest what was the character assassination you had ready to go if Albanese had have won?

I don't mind Albo…I disagree with some of his thoughts but respect him as a straight down the line sort of bloke. If Labor were serious about keeping the bastards honest so to speak then he was the man for the job and it seems the majority of members agree.

Personally I'd rather Albo. Albo came across as someone who wanted the job for what he could do with it. Shorten comes across as someone who just wants the job - sort of the ALP version of Abbott/Turnbull. That's not to say he can't be effective but it will depend on how Abbott performs.

I'm actually surprised that Shorten wanted the job now , if I was in his shoes I would of waited until the following election ,I can't see the Australian people changing back to the ALP next election barring some catastrophe

Personally think that Shorten is setting himself up for a fall , and I can't see the ALP giving him another shot in the near future if it goes pear shaped in the next 3 years

And then Rudd is always in the background

 

[wtigers]

Give me a break. There are much more important things to worry about than same sex marriage. By the way, check out the meaning of marriage.

That meaning of marriage written by old white men hundreds of years ago? It's not just about marriage man, it's about the phobia that people associate with a group viewed as less than equal. When one group has a privilege others don't, they're not equal and are looked down upon by society. More important things than same sex marriage… Give me a break...

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[wtigers]

I can and will when in comes to the rights on the individual. I'm sorry but I simply don't accept 'he needs time' to justify actions which deny someone their rights.

If it's about protecting the constitution, why is an action like this even allowed to happen in the first place? Like legitimately I don't know much about the constitution, but if it needs protection from something then why is the something that threatens it even an option that can be undertaken if that makes sense.

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Sure, well that would be nice for sure. It would be great if slavery would never have happened and gay marriage would have been allowed in the first century. But the human race has needed development personally and socially over time.

It's a rule that has been around for centuries. It will happen, just hearts and minds aren't ever won overnight. Don't play the man, play the instutitions that have allowed this way of thinking for centuries. Tony was voted in by the people, if it was so important to people, he wouldn't have got in.

The consistution sets up rules so states dont act alone. It's a clear seperation of powers. It's a bit sad that the ACT government are playing a political game with an issue like this, but it's good that it keeps the discussion going.

I think the Liberal cabinet will play a big part in this. They work as a team far more than Labor, so while Tony will have a big say, he won't always be setting the tone.

Look that's fair enough. I know it will take time. But when a group of people, even if it is a bit sketchy to the constitution, stand up and say 'we want this to help achieve a sense of equality', I really REALLY find it hard to feel anything less than contempt towards someone who says 'well I'm gonna challenge that' for any reason. It frustrates and angers me that part of our nation could finally be taking a huge step forward but because of a constitutional technicality or something, we're being forced to all take that step as one.

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