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BTW I think the whole 'backstabbing' issue with Gillard and Rudd is a farce. They did need a new PM if they were any chance of winning this upcoming election, but, they should've sorted it out themselves instead of relying on left wing power brokers to oust Rudd
 
@Jono10 said:
_**I believe that Julia Gillard has what it takes to move Australia forward**_. Why would you vote for a man who cuts 1 billion dollars out of health care and who doesn't believe in abortions. I believe it is time for change maybe Australia is ready for a female prime minister.

Can you give us a reason please Jono?
 
I admit I am dumb and a little niave when it comes to the inner workings of the Political machine in Australia…. as most of you.....

But Can you name me 1 political party in the last 50 years that actually gave a toss about the common man?

You know US....

BTW....I will put my 2 bob in on resourses...It's our country we own them....We should charge what it worth....the big companies and countries China make BILLIONS....
 
@citizen cub said:
BTW I think the whole 'backstabbing' issue with Gillard and Rudd is a farce. They did need a new PM if they were any chance of winning this upcoming election, but, they should've sorted it out themselves instead of relying on left wing power brokers to oust Rudd

My problem with that whole event mate was that even though by the time it happened I loathed the bloke, Rudd didnt deserve to go out like that. There was a lot of Australians who wanted him in the job and they had no say about his dismissal.
He was lynched by the faceless, backroom manouverings of the factional powerbrokers and the AWU. He wasnt able to defend himself and plead his case, he was gone due to a couple of secret meetings by the aforementioned.
He wasnt given the chance to be judged on his performances in the first term of government. I couldnt wait to vote him out….others couldnt wait to vote him back in....none of us were given the chance due to these mongrels who acted on our behalf, without our consent, behind the scenes, like the cowards that they are.
 
@Geo. said:
I admit I am dumb and a little niave when it comes to the inner workings of the Political machine in Australia…. as most of you.....

But Can you name me 1 political party in the last 50 years that actually gave a toss about the common man?

You know US....

BTW....I will put my 2 bob in on resourses...It's our country we own them....We should charge what it worth....the big companies and countries China make BILLIONS....

We already do charge them Geo.
 
@Yossarian said:
Seriously if you are using Mark Lathem to strengthen your argument you can't be doing too well… Go ask Malcolm Fraser or Andrew Peacock what they think of Abbott. Or John Hewson or Brendan Nelson for that matter.

Latham was a complete waste of time. If only Joel Fitzgibbon had skipped his shower that morning.

Not at all…he was VERY entertaining ...still is!!
 
@Yossarian said:
Seriously if you are using Mark Lathem to strengthen your argument you can't be doing too well… Go ask Malcolm Fraser or Andrew Peacock what they think of Abbott. Or John Hewson or Brendan Nelson for that matter.

Latham was a complete waste of time. If only Joel Fitzgibbon had skipped his shower that morning.

Which argument is that? I don't like Labor, Liberals or the Greens. I don't like Rudd or Latham either.
 
@stryker said:
@Geo. said:
I admit I am dumb and a little niave when it comes to the inner workings of the Political machine in Australia…. as most of you.....

But Can you name me 1 political party in the last 50 years that actually gave a toss about the common man?

You know US....

BTW....I will put my 2 bob in on resourses...It's our country we own them....We should charge what it worth....the big companies and countries China make BILLIONS....

We already do charge them Geo.

On top of the 30%, the states charge them a 7% resources tax. Its why everything in Perth is new.

It's better keeping Australia competitive and helping the common man buy shares in BHP or RIO if they think the returns will be much more astronomical than other industries.
 
Ummm Yes…but the recources are 100% Ours...

Countries like China and multi nationals like BHP and Rio will never leave....They make BILLIONS...

In China's case they have just started to rape the rest of the World of it's resources......They will never stop....

Charge them 50%...
 
This election, one side proposes to give us services, the other side proposes to cut funds to services and are yet to say anything substantive on what they will do.
When funds are cut services become less effective. Do you want less effective services? That is what you have to ask yourself.
 
@Geo. said:
Ummm Yes…but the recources are 100% Ours...

Countries like China and multi nationals like BHP and Rio will never leave....They make BILLIONS...

In China's case they have just started to rape the rest of the World of it's resources......They will never stop....

Charge them 50%...

They do get charged that 7% for our resources.

The level profit is all relative to the amount of capital invested. While they are making some decent rates of return, it's temporary and not that different to other industries. When china slows down and their rates of return go back to normal, should we drop the tax?

Why risk making Africa more competitive? China isn't a democracy, it will only take a couple of guys to get fed up with our government and there goes most of our economy. They can easily throw resources into Africa and start powering their stations with their product. Removing the workplace reforms didn't exactly help with our labour competitiveness either.

And why stop at mining? Why not tax the fishermen for catching our fish? or banks for using our money supply?
 
@senexx said:
This election, one side proposes to give us services, the other side proposes to cut funds to services and are yet to say anything substantive on what they will do.
When funds are cut services become less effective. Do you want less effective services? That is what you have to ask yourself.

Do you want to pay higher taxes senexx? Or do you think we should keep borrowing and just let our grandkids pay for it? Your right, stuff the kids… More handouts now!!!

... I am also ignoring your broad statements with no basis of fact or examples.
 
I'm deliberately giving broad examples hammertime. I'm not saying you should support one side or the other.
I'm very economically literate. The Australian electorate is not.
You pay higher taxes in good times, lower taxes in bad time. No matter whom is in power they have very little control over the economy.
I could just as easily say to you Hammertime do you want to be unemployed, do you want your kids and grandkids to be unemployed. They add to the tax base. They don't take away from it. They also provide services by being employed.
There's a little thing called automatic stabilisers.

The federal government budget is not equivalent to the household budget.

I'm not supporting one side or the other in my broad examples, I'm just giving you the end result of your choices.

Feel free to come and learn how things really work at http://modernmoney.wordpress.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If you have an open mind, it will really blow your mind.
 
@Geo. said:
Ummm Yes…but the recources are 100% Ours...

Countries like China and multi nationals like BHP and Rio will never leave....They make BILLIONS...

In China's case they have just started to rape the rest of the World of it's resources......They will never stop....

Charge them 50%...

What about your Superannuation buddy?

There's one chance to get these resources out of the ground to make some $. We don't make anything in Australia anymore, if we didn't have mining we'd be ****ed
 
With that… if Abbott gets in... I'm moving to New Zealand...
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The same could be said if Gillard gets in. She's a DISGRACE, she's NO DIFFERENT TO RUDD!!, SHE WAS THE ARCHITECT BEHIND MUCH OF THE GOVERNMENT FAILED PROGRAMS!, SHE WON'T ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT! SO BEFORE YOU START BAGGING ABBOT HAVE A LOOK AT GILLARD'S RECORD AS EDUCATION MINISTER! THE B.E.R IS A FARCE AND AN ATTENTION GRABBER! THIS MONEY SHOULD GO TO INFRASTRUCTURE IN GWS AND PLACES ALIKE!
 
@hammertime said:
Check out this BER project… you can't honestly tell me this is worth $250k.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/whose-bright-idea-was-this/story-e6freuzi-1225898696882" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Definetly not worth that….try telling Labors beauracrats though....disgraceful.
 
@Kaiser said:
The National Broadband network is a massive job and MUST have… Howard sat on his hands and did NOTHING to improve the telecommunications network in Australia and this is why we find outselves in this situation... instead of investing in such things like this Howard dished out tax breaks to the mindless Australian to win votes...

Would you be surprised to find out that Wollongong cannot supply everyone with ADSL2+... IN FACT count yourself lucky if you manage to get it. Wollongong is one of the largest cities in Australia...

Our Internet speeds and network is terrible compared with the rest of the world...

An improved telecommunications network is a lot more than faster Internet speeds too, i wouldn't be so naive and perhaps do a little research instead of listening to the old hacks on am radio.

:laughing: Spoken like a true Labor staffer…..

You need to take some of your own advice and do some research Kaiser and co. A good starting point would be the 4th interim report released by the Select Commitee on the National Broadband Network - a senate inquiry of 2 years that was released in May of this year.
Although the report is 188 pages long and quite a boring read there is one glaring recomendation that just jumps off the page at you - in fact it is recommendation No.1

THAT THE GOVERNMENT ABANDON THE NATIONAL BROADBAND NETWORK PROJECT. Couldnt be any clearer even if you are a Labor man!!

You see, when Rudd came to office he promised to build a fibre to the node broadband network to 98% of the population. This was to commence in 2008 and cost 4.7 Billion dollars. The "government" than wasted 20 Million dollars and 18 months on a tender process that hasnt delivered 1 single braodband service to a home on the mainland! We now have an implementation study to consider how to build the network which wont be completed until at least 2018.

Labor has since conceded that the price has blown out from $4.7Billion to $43Billion and there was a report on the ABC this morning that claimed it could even be double that - $86BILLION :blush:

I mean these people are HOPELESS!!! ABSOLUTELY....USELESS!

A report released by Henry Ergas and Alex Robson of Concept Economics, concluded that it would be IRRATIONAL to spend more than $17 Billion on the NBN. Moreover it concluded that " the taxpayers funding of the projects losses can lead to moral hazard, as well as direct political interference in project decisions." It also found that as the government would be both an owner and a regulator it had a conflict of interest creating soverign risk for investors.

All in all it's just another failed policy from one of the very worst politcal leadership groups I've ever seen and yet another reason to boot them out come August 21.
 
43 Billion easy Sell the Uranium in Kakadu to China…or France...

Or we could build Energy efficient power that is clean non carbon energy source use the raw materials ourselves help the environment and rid every man woman and child in this country of electricity bills...

And then we can forget about the Carbon trading BS...and all be better off...

The Party that comes up with that...gets my vote...
 
@Geo. said:
43 Billion easy Sell the Uranium in Kakadu to China…or France...

Or we could build Energy efficient power that is clean non carbon energy source use the raw materials ourselves help the environment and rid every man woman and child in this country of electricity bills...

And then we can forget about the Carbon trading BS...and all be better off...

The Party that comes up with that...gets my vote...

Are you being sarcastic or are they real suggestions? 😕
 
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