Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Cultured_Bogan]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

It would prevent him from running in 2024

Ah I see. Can he be posthumously impeached? Or does the process only have to be started while he is still incumbent?

From what I saw on ABC news last night it If the Congress votes to impeach Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon before the 20th of Jan the hearings can occur after he has left office.

OK so that's the rush on the vote, vote to impeach before he leaves office, and then do the hearings later, probably after the 100 days...

 

[cochise]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

It would prevent him from running in 2024

Ah I see. Can he be posthumously impeached? Or does the process only have to be started while he is still incumbent?

From what I saw on ABC news last night it If the Congress votes to impeach Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon before the 20th of Jan the hearings can occur after he has left office.

OK so that's the rush on the vote, vote to impeach before he leaves office, and then do the hearings later, probably after the 100 days...

Yeah, give Biden his 1st 100 days in office without distraction and then hold the hearings. The Senate would need 2 3rds majority to convict though so even with the democrates controlling the senate its still a difficult course.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

It would prevent him from running in 2024

Ah I see. Can he be posthumously impeached? Or does the process only have to be started while he is still incumbent?

From what I saw on ABC news last night it If the Congress votes to impeach Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon before the 20th of Jan the hearings can occur after he has left office.

OK so that's the rush on the vote, vote to impeach before he leaves office, and then do the hearings later, probably after the 100 days...

Yeah, give Biden his 1st 100 days in office without distraction and then hold the hearings. The Senate would need 2 3rds majority to convict though so even with the democrates controlling the senate its still a difficult course.

There could well be enough pissed off Republicans to cross the floor on it. Might be enough classical Republicans who are annoyed at what Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has done to the GOP and will want to make him pay for it.

 

[cochise]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

It would prevent him from running in 2024

Ah I see. Can he be posthumously impeached? Or does the process only have to be started while he is still incumbent?

From what I saw on ABC news last night it If the Congress votes to impeach Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon before the 20th of Jan the hearings can occur after he has left office.

OK so that's the rush on the vote, vote to impeach before he leaves office, and then do the hearings later, probably after the 100 days...

Yeah, give Biden his 1st 100 days in office without distraction and then hold the hearings. The Senate would need 2 3rds majority to convict though so even with the democrates controlling the senate its still a difficult course.

Might be enough pissed off Republicans to cross the floor on it.

Also, any Republicans that are looking to run in 2024 may see this as a way to eliminate an opponent.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

It would prevent him from running in 2024

Ah I see. Can he be posthumously impeached? Or does the process only have to be started while he is still incumbent?

From what I saw on ABC news last night it If the Congress votes to impeach Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon before the 20th of Jan the hearings can occur after he has left office.

OK so that's the rush on the vote, vote to impeach before he leaves office, and then do the hearings later, probably after the 100 days...

Yeah, give Biden his 1st 100 days in office without distraction and then hold the hearings. The Senate would need 2 3rds majority to convict though so even with the democrates controlling the senate its still a difficult course.

Might be enough pissed off Republicans to cross the floor on it.

Also, any Republicans that are looking to run in 2024 may see this as a way to eliminate an opponent.

Oh hell yeah, opportunism 101.

 

[mike]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

The thing to be gained if he is impeached and then removed from office is he can never run for President again. He would also lose a lot of perks ex Presidents receive. He would also lose the ability to Pardon any more of his criminal mates and himself even before the 20th

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

The thing to be gained if he is impeached and then removed from office is he can never run for President again. He would also lose a lot of perks ex Presidents receive. He would also lose the ability to Pardon any more of his criminal mates and himself even before the 20th

Can a president even pardon himself? I thought that was a load of garbage?

 

[mike]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

The thing to be gained if he is impeached and then removed from office is he can never run for President again. He would also lose a lot of perks ex Presidents receive. He would also lose the ability to Pardon any more of his criminal mates and himself even before the 20th

Can a president even pardon himself? I thought that was a load of garbage?

Dunno, probably is garbage, I’ll look into that further, but he can certainly still pardon his mates, including those who where involved in storming the capital on the 6th Jan 2021

 

[cochise]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

The thing to be gained if he is impeached and then removed from office is he can never run for President again. He would also lose a lot of perks ex Presidents receive. He would also lose the ability to Pardon any more of his criminal mates and himself even before the 20th

He may not lose the perks if the hearings are after the 20th as to lose those entitlements you need to be removed from office

 

[mike]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

The thing to be gained if he is impeached and then removed from office is he can never run for President again. He would also lose a lot of perks ex Presidents receive. He would also lose the ability to Pardon any more of his criminal mates and himself even before the 20th

Can a president even pardon himself? I thought that was a load of garbage?

I wouldn’t put it past him to try.

—— Wiki
Under the Constitution, the president's clemency power extends to all federal criminal offenses. ... Also, the ability of a president to pardon themselves (self-pardon) has never been tested in the courts, because, to date, no president has ever taken that action.
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[cochise]

Just doing some reading and apparently the senate only needs a majority to stop him from running for office again. That wouldn't be a conviction but would mean he won't be running in 2024.

 

[mike]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

The thing to be gained if he is impeached and then removed from office is he can never run for President again. He would also lose a lot of perks ex Presidents receive. He would also lose the ability to Pardon any more of his criminal mates and himself even before the 20th

He may not lose the perks if the hearings are after the 20th as to lose those entitlements you need to be removed from office

Exactly, that is why time is critical, it may be the thing that saves him in that regard. It needs to happen in the next day or two or it will be too late to have any meaningful consequences.

 

[cochise]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

The thing to be gained if he is impeached and then removed from office is he can never run for President again. He would also lose a lot of perks ex Presidents receive. He would also lose the ability to Pardon any more of his criminal mates and himself even before the 20th

He may not lose the perks if the hearings are after the 20th as to lose those entitlements you need to be removed from office

Exactly, that is why time is critical, it may be the thing that saves him in that regard. It needs to happen in the next day or two or it will be too late to have any meaningful consequences.

Loss of the ability to run again would be the driving factor.

 

[mike]

Just doing some reading and apparently the senate only needs a majority to stop him from running for office again. That wouldn't be a conviction but would mean he won't be running in 2024.

Removal from office guarantees he is unable to run.

 

[cochise]

Just doing some reading and apparently the senate only needs a majority to stop him from running for office again. That wouldn't be a conviction but would mean he won't be running in 2024.

Removal from office guarantees he is unable to run.

Yes it does but he won't be removed from office. He may get convicted after he is already out, but that carries a 75% majority vote where simply preventing him from running again appears possible with a majority vote.

 

[mike]

Just doing some reading and apparently the senate only needs a majority to stop him from running for office again. That wouldn't be a conviction but would mean he won't be running in 2024.

Removal from office guarantees he is unable to run.

Yes it does but he won't be removed from office. He may get convicted after he is already out, but that carries a 75% majority vote where simply preventing him from running again appears possible with a majority vote.

The next few days will be interesting

 

[Tiger5150]

Is there anything to be gained out of attempting to impeach him again? By the time the process is started won't Biden be inaugurated? And can he be impeached posthumously (posthumously in the sense that he won't be president by the time it is confirmed.)

The government is basically in caretaker mode now until January 20th. The guy will probably go to ground given that he has no vehicle to rant on. He's had all the oxygen taken away, I don't think there is any genuine positives in removing him now other than abject humiliation which could cause more problems.

Yes, it can be done after he has left office (the hearings). That is what they would do - defer it for a few months. Is there a point? In one sense no, but I guess they want to make sure he is killed off and can’t return in 4 years; shame the republicans for ever putting him forward; and re-introduce presidential accountability that has been lacking the last few years.

I think impeachment would be a massive error. If the House votes to impeach him it is impossible to have the hearings before he gets kicked out (senate returns the day before). If they have the hearings 100 days after Biden starts as has been suggested, is that really what you want? Just as Biden hits the ground and should be really starting to make his administration his own and getting on with what hopefully will be good work of uniting the country, you really want to put the focus back on Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon with some version of the Nuremberg trials?

Also the biggest risk IMO, is what if it fails? Yes he has acted like a tool, no question but it has to be PROVEN without a doubt that he incited the storming of the Capitol which may be a hard ask, when he specifically said to go down there and protest peacefully. The risk is if he gets off he gets to puff his chest out and this will even possibly galvanise his supporters at specifically the time that Biden should be shining.

An unsuccessful impeachment could almost guarantee that he runs again.

 

[Tiger5150]

Just doing some reading and apparently the senate only needs a majority to stop him from running for office again. That wouldn't be a conviction but would mean he won't be running in 2024.

Removal from office guarantees he is unable to run.

Yes it does but he won't be removed from office. He may get convicted after he is already out, but that carries a 75% majority vote where simply preventing him from running again appears possible with a majority vote.

A successful impeachment is not a conviction. They are simply removed from office. Obviously in this case the only thing would be stopping him from running.

 

[TillLindemann]

The POTUS, whipped his base into a frenzy, they went into the Capital Building with the intent to murder the VP. Yet the VP doesn’t think that the man who encouraged it needs to be removed

Maybe Micky P doesn't actually subscribe to this over the top narrative.

 

[TillLindemann]

Parler has only 10 million users, compared to Twitter which has 330 million. Not much of an audience for Donald Duck if that’s the road he decides to take. God, imagine how he must feel right now. On the verge of a second impeachment, and no vehicle to lash out on. Loser.

It doesn't have any users currently, now that it's been effectively booted off the net. And those who were users have had all their private details hacked as of last night.