Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Citizen_Tiger]

Julia Gillard will be looked back upon fondly. She is just suffering through what every trailblazer suffers through.

You belittle her as a liar in another post, but a trailblazer in this. Are u confused?

 

[Spartan117]

Gillard and the labor /Greens minority govt is a disgrace.

Case closed.

 

[Rambo2714]

Yawn.

Tony sucks.

But Julia sucks more.

No pun intended…

No way man, Tony is a much worse person. He is a chauvinistic, elitist, pro-life, catholic school boy, silver spoon fed lying politician. From where I stand Gillard is just a run of the mill elitist lying politician. They are incomparable. Abbott will be our GWB. He is the worst candidate to ever run for parliament.

Unfortunately it doesn't matter. They are all friends playing a game and it doesn't matter who is in office, the agenda of the backroom players of both parties are in line with one another and what happens in the public eye is just a pantomime designed to imitate real politics. If there really was politics then Tony Abbott would have NEVER been the opposition leader. He is an absolute muppet.

That's a rant that's just impossible to piece together. Don't think Abbott was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, don't think he's elitist and can't quote figure how it's a crime to be a Catholic, unless of course you're a Protestant who holds anachronistic values. You should familiarise yourself with his background, particularly the part where he effected a second mortgage to cover the kids school fees. Play the man and not the ball, this is the Labor way.

It's academic in any case, the writings on the wall for this inept, mismanaged Government. The vitriol that's falling out of the mouth of every female Labor politician is the handiwork of Gillard's imported spin doctor and its a strategy that's backfiring. The great tragedy of course is that we'll endure countless billions more in unnecessary expenditure and interest payments before we see Labor Go

I'm not going to descend into an argument with anybody over politics. It's pointless and ultimately only infuriates people. If I'm wrong about Tony Abbott so be it. I don't like his face.

Hear hear, I don't like his face or voice .
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[hammertime]

**It's quite obviously because she's a woman and people feel comfortable insulting her because of her sex.**

The way she has been treated by the media, the opposition and the voters of Australia has been quite frankly utterly pathetic. Even if in most cases it is just subconscious chauvinism.

At the end of the day though it is the media influence over those among us who I will politely term "loud and dumb."

I have often wondered if this was the case, Mac, or was it simply because of the way she got into the position in the first place - I don't think people liked seeing old Kevvy being stabbed in the back. If you are correct though, it's a really sad indictment on society that this hateful kind of attitude towards women is still taking place, well into the 21st Century. One would think we might have evolved since the Victorian age, or at least since the Neanderthal era, but come to think of it, after hearing some of the tripe that the supposedly civilised US Republican candidates are dishing out lately, the world actually looks like becoming a lot worse for women. God help the American women if that idiot Romney is elected President! Seriously, no leader of the free world should be called Mitt :laughing: That's just wrong!

I often think the same guys. Is something deep within overcoming my rationality…. But I think you have to only look at an amazing leader like Hillary Clinton to know that no, it's not predujuce, it's that she stabbed people in the back, lied to the Australian public, partcipated in backroom deals for power and presided over wasting billions of our hard earned money.

Women can make great leaders, it's just Julia isn't one of them. Abbott isn't either. Now turnbull, there is a leader.

 

[Rambo2714]

No way man, Tony is a much worse person. He is a chauvinistic, elitist, pro-life, catholic school boy, silver spoon fed lying politician. From where I stand Gillard is just a run of the mill elitist lying politician. They are incomparable. Abbott will be our GWB. He is the worst candidate to ever run for parliament.

Unfortunately it doesn't matter. They are all friends playing a game and it doesn't matter who is in office, the agenda of the backroom players of both parties are in line with one another and what happens in the public eye is just a pantomime designed to imitate real politics. If there really was politics then Tony Abbott would have NEVER been the opposition leader. He is an absolute muppet.

That's a rant that's just impossible to piece together. Don't think Abbott was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, don't think he's elitist and can't quote figure how it's a crime to be a Catholic, unless of course you're a Protestant who holds anachronistic values. You should familiarise yourself with his background, particularly the part where he effected a second mortgage to cover the kids school fees. Play the man and not the ball, this is the Labor way.

It's academic in any case, the writings on the wall for this inept, mismanaged Government. The vitriol that's falling out of the mouth of every female Labor politician is the handiwork of Gillard's imported spin doctor and its a strategy that's backfiring. The great tragedy of course is that we'll endure countless billions more in unnecessary expenditure and interest payments before we see Labor Go

I'm not going to descend into an argument with anybody over politics. It's pointless and ultimately only infuriates people. If I'm wrong about Tony Abbott so be it. I don't like his face.

Well why post inaccurate, emotional, bigoted and hateful misinformation? You hate Catholics, that's clear. You believe Abbott is a privileged elitist, that's clear. You believe he was born into wealth, that's clear. You're prepared to publish this nonsense, yet not prepared to support or defend it . Res ipsa loquitor

1\. Abbott is a privileged elitist :
"Abbott attended primary school at St Aloysius' College at Milson's Point, before completing his secondary school education at St Ignatius' College, Riverview in Sydney (both are Jesuit schools)"
Yes that makes him privileged

2\. He was born into reasonable wealth

3\. He is an extremist roman catholic
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[stryker]

Julia Gillard will be looked back upon fondly. She is just suffering through what every trailblazer suffers through.

I have read the preceeding few pages and laughed at your mis informed opinions but feel I have to say something now because this sentence is utter lunacy.

Are you for real? Is there any understanding within you at all?

Trailblazer? :crazy you are out of your friggen mind.

She is the worst PM I have ever seen and that includes Rudd who was abysmal as well. She has either presided over or been a part of every disaster that has befallen this party since 07\. She is a very skilled politician i.e. she is sneaky, trecherous and decietful. She gives me the impression she has modelled her career on Sir Humphries from "Yes Minister". The Labor party has come up with some worthwhile policies on paper but they have been almost all run into the ground by a core leadership group that she has been at the top of for the entire time.

Let alone the lies told that have ALL come back to haunt her. She became PM by knifing her leader in the back - even though she was just as much to blame as he was - thus robbing Australians the chance to elect their first ever female PM and has lurched from one catastrophy to the next ever since. She will not be looked back upon fondly at all…

 

[stryker]

I'm not going to descend into an argument with anybody over politics. It's pointless and ultimately only infuriates people. If I'm wrong about Tony Abbott so be it. I don't like his face.

Hear hear, I don't like his face or voice .
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…and this here is the exact reason that voting should not be compulsory in this country. Grow up boys...

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm not going to descend into an argument with anybody over politics. It's pointless and ultimately only infuriates people. If I'm wrong about Tony Abbott so be it. I don't like his face.

Hear hear, I don't like his face or voice .
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…and this here is the exact reason that voting should not be compulsory in this country. Grow up boys...

Don't worry Stryker ,what percentage of voters are informal each election

 

[happy_tiger]

The only reason Gillard has had this rant is Abbott picked up 4 percentage points in the last poll

She knows she is gonski shortly ,one way or the other

 

[stryker]

She lost those points at a time when she should have recieved sympathy polling following Jones's ridiculous statements. Her only avenue at the moment is to paint Abbott as mysogonistic….childish stuff that has been trumped by the campaign of th women who know him best.

Labor have to win seats that are held by the Libs to become re-elected. They dont have a snowballs chance in hell...even with Tony as the leader the Coalition wins the next election in a canter.

 

[Rambo2714]

Julia Gillard will be looked back upon fondly. She is just suffering through what every trailblazer suffers through.

I have read the preceeding few pages and laughed at your mis informed opinions but feel I have to say something now because this sentence is utter lunacy.

Are you for real? Is there any understanding within you at all?

Trailblazer? you are out of your friggen mind.

She is the worst PM I have ever seen and that includes Rudd who was abysmal as well. She has either presided over or been a part of every disaster that has befallen this party since 07\. She is a very skilled politician i.e. she is sneaky, trecherous and decietful. She gives me the impression she has modelled her career on Sir Humphreys from "Yes Minister". The Labor party has come up with some worthwhile policies on paper but they have been almost all run into the ground by a core leadership group that she has been at the top of for the entire time.

Let alone the lies told that have ALL come back to haunt her. She became PM by knifing her leader in the back - even though she was just as much to blame as he was - thus robbing Australians the chance to elect their first ever female PM and has lurched from one catastrophy to the next ever since. She will not be looked back upon fondly at all…

No substance at all

Would you care to qualify your claims ?

Your view claims amount to a different preference
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[Rambo2714]

She lost those points at a time when she should have recieved sympathy polling following Jones's ridiculous statements. Her only avenue at the moment is to paint Abbott as mysogonistic….childish stuff that has been trumped by the campaign of th women who know him best.

Labor have to win seats that are held by the Libs to become re-elected. They dont have a snowballs chance in hell...even with Tony as the leader the Coalition wins the next election in a canter.

Honestly she would need hardly any paint at all to paint Abbott as mysognist ….... Abbott has been doing the graft work for years
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[Yossarian]

She lost those points at a time when she should have recieved sympathy polling following Jones's ridiculous statements. Her only avenue at the moment is to paint Abbott as mysogonistic….childish stuff that has been trumped by the campaign of th women who know him best.

Labor have to win seats that are held by the Libs to become re-elected. They dont have a snowballs chance in hell...even with Tony as the leader the Coalition wins the next election in a canter.

Honestly she would need hardly any paint at all to paint Abbott as mysognist ….... Abbott has been doing the graft work for years
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I'm not sure that he actually hates women but he certainly seems to have some issues with women in positions of power. Then again if I had Julie Bishop sitting that close to me in parliament I'd probably develop some issues myself…

 

[stryker]

No substance at all

Would you care to qualify your claims ?

Your view claims amount to a different preference
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All of this has been spoken about in this forum before but heres a couple of points in case you missed them….

#1 Claimed she was not contending the leadership in May 2010 all the while manouvering herself to usurp Rudd through backroom deals and meetings. Essentially stole the prime ministership robbing Australians the chance to democratically vote in its first female leader.

#2 Went to the 2010 election promising voters there would be no carbon tax under her leadership. Was voted in on this premise. Pre the election claimed she would set up a citizens assembly to examine evidence on climate change which was never implemented. Post election and the forming of the minority government with the greens and independants, replaced this with a climate change panel and introduced pricing on carbon. During the 'no carbon tax' rallies, claimed she was not invited to speak and offer her side of the story. This was unanimously refuted by the organisers including Chris Johnson of the consumers and tax payers association.

#3 She instructed her MP's to deny they are in a power sharing deal with the greens - she instructed them to lie.

#4 Boasted that EVERY reputable climate scientist globally backed her stance on climate change. This was later refuted by her lap dog Tim Flannery who admitted that several prominant scientists did in fact disagree quoting the very reputable Richard Lynson to be among them.

#5 Has been caught out in lie upon lie involving the AWU scandal of 1995 during which her boyfriend Bruce Wilson allegedly ripped off $1 million from the union and funnelled the funds through a members welfare association account that Julia setup for him when she was a lawyer.

#6 When Julian Assange first came to attention through wikileaks, she claimed he had broken the law and referred the matter to the AFP. When questioned about this, her and McClelland - although maintaning the acts were illegal have yet to produce any laws that were breached...in fact they themselves may have breached laws pertaining to false charges. Assange mentioned the possibility of of suing or having them charged in retalliation with treason!

#7 She embarrassed Australia by lecturing the world at the G20 in Mexico about Labor's economic record. Certain countries did not take it well and have retaliated by releasing information such as:
a) This government has presided over the 4 biggest deficits in this nations history
b) We are experiencing our highest debt ever
c) We have the 3rd fastest proportionate increase in global public sector debt since 2007 due to the three extensions of our nations credit limit.

#8 Isnt just attacking the mining industry through mineral resource rent taxes (which she claims will raise $12 billion dollars next financial year...even though mining operations are suffering and suspending operations in some locations), but also agriculture and forrestry.
#8a - Fishing = She is actively trying to shut down commercial fishing in this country even though our mere 30 kilograms of fish per square kilometer of our ocean territory pales in comparison to the global average of 755 kilograms! As a result, we import greater than 70% of our seafood.
#8b - Live cattle exports = Through her governments knee jerk reaction to a 4 corners story, they banned live cattle exports for 2 months - almost crippling the industry in the top end and resulting in a pending class action against the government for significant loss of earnings.
#8c - Sustainable logging = Claims it is against humanities interests yet allows us to import more than $2 billion worth of wood /timber products annually.
#8d - Irrigation = Claims Murray-Darling scheme is evil yet has no problem with subsidised European food.

#9 Lied about her parties committment to Andrew Wilkies pre-committment technology for poker machines. Essentially she promissed him the world to secure his vote but when she noted public opinion was divided, she hatched a plan to steal another parliamentary vote from the Coalition with the appointment of Slipper as speaker. This meant she didnt necessarily need Wilkies vote anymore and quickly renegged on her deal with him. This was brilliant political strategy...but what exactly did it do for the country? Absolutely nothing.

#10 As I stated earlier, she was involved in all of Labors mismanaged policies at the highest level including:
- the NBN rollout which is currently blowing out to $37 billion worth of costings and climbing despite very few takeups,
- the BER scam which cost us north of $16 Billion and saw very little return for investment as every greedy developer made a fortune,
- the home insulation programme which cost us $1 Billion and caused havoc with every shonk getting their fingers in the till. This has so far cost us a further $1.5 Billion to rectify the damage done with no end in sight,
- the flat out lie that a deal had been completed with the East Timorese government to take our assylum seekers for processing which was refuted by its president,
- the Malaysian immigration deal which the high court of Australia found to be in contravention of human rights conditions. She is currently trying to change the migration ACT to proceed with this despite having cheaper and more humane alternatives available to her all along.
- the implementation of a national flood levy to counteract the QLD Labor governments neglect with regards to the insurance of the states public infrastructure
- and many others including grocery watch, fuel watch, set top boxes, cash handouts, smart meters.....

#11 She is taking credit for the paid parental leave scheme despite being in opposition to it when she was the deputy leader

#12 She is in favour of censorship with examples being the blackmaling of the media over the aforementioned AWU scandals and government internet filtering

#13 She has proven herself to be a spineless leader in relation to the Craig thomson and Peter Slipper affairs.

#14 She constantly plays the man not the policy with regards to the opposition. Two classic examples are the Australia day fiasco where she whipped the protesting aboriginals into a frenzy by claiming Abbott was making policy claims that he did not, resulting in both of them being attacked and her continued portrayal of Abbott as a woman hater, despite the fact he has 3 sisters, 3 daughters and high level female staffers.

Whilst I agree she has copped a lot during her tenure, none of it has come because she is a woman. It has mostly come from her being an in-effective leader, a poor manger of policy and a decietful human being.

So again Macdougal and Rambo, I state that she will not be looked back upon fondly when her time is over. You could write a book now about her failures...if she somehow managed another term, a trilogy might be in order to fit everything in.

 

[happy_tiger]

Stryker ,You are just being sexist mate

That is not a logical argument :unamused:

Actually mate should keep the Labor whingers quiet for a while

 

[Winnipeg]

I've gotta congratulate you on typing that all out, I don't think I'd have the energy

But it's a fairly one sided look at things wouldn't you admit? can you think of any good things she's done stryker?

also could you clarify the following points

- what lies she has told about the AWU scandal
- what she said to the crowd to 'whip the protesting aboriginals into a frenzy' on Australia Day

 

[Winnipeg]

Stryker ,You are just being sexist mate

That is not a logical argument :unamused:

Actually mate should keep the Labor whingers quiet for a while

I don't see how you can follow that post up with accusations about 'labor whingers' :smiley:

 

[Yossarian]

Stryker ,You are just being sexist mate

That is not a logical argument :unamused:

Actually mate should keep the Labor whingers quiet for a while

I think most of us were like Winnipeg - just too much to reply too in one sitting!!

 

[happy_tiger]

Stryker ,You are just being sexist mate

That is not a logical argument :unamused:

Actually mate should keep the Labor whingers quiet for a while

I don't see how you can follow that post up with accusations about 'labor whingers' :smiley:

Is that the best you have Winnipeg

No defence for your Wonder Woman Gillard

So what was Gillard doing yesterday

That is how low she has got now , she calls the opposition leader sexist and a mesoganist

Time to bench her , she blowing up

 

[happy_tiger]

Stryker ,You are just being sexist mate

That is not a logical argument :unamused:

Actually mate should keep the Labor whingers quiet for a while

I think most of us were like Winnipeg - just too much to reply too in one sitting!!

So Stryker's whinging Yoss , I reckon he was calling a spade a spade

Notice how none of the Labor lovers are disputing the facts ,just crying in their Latte's that we are picking on Julia and her incompetent party

Oh sorry , not Swan he is the world's greatest treasurer of course :laughing: