Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[stryker]

Nothing Hypocritical whatsoever.

Abbott isnt on a sexism/misogyny campaign like Labor are. They are the hypocrites!

…and winnipeg give us a break mate. The coalition has not been courting Thomson, one member did that on his own.

"The request was at odds with the stance of Opposition Leader Tony Abbott who has said the coalition will not accept Mr Thomson's vote in parliament."

 

[Yossarian]

Yeah right. I'm sure he writes a formal letter off his own bat… And the Slipper thing is incredibly hyopcritical given his stance on Craig Thompson and his explanation is a massive cop out. "Quasi legal"? Come off it!!!

Either you have one rule for both or nothing.

 

[stryker]

<big>Yeah right. I'm sure he writes a formal letter off his own bat.</big>.. And the Slipper thing is incredibly hyopcritical given his stance on Craig Thompson and his explanation is a massive cop out. "Quasi legal"? Come off it!!!

Either you have one rule for both or nothing.

:laughing: Now your doing what you accused me of yesterday….

The hypocrisy is that Labor have been squealing about misogynistic behaviour yet voted to keep Slipper in the speakers chair and continue to back him and court him today for his vote. The Coalition did the right thing by trying to vote him out but were beaten out by a group who are completely lost as to what they believe.

Once again, this is not Abbotts crusade and he has every right to request the vote of a party member. Craig Thomson is a thief, has always been one and deserves the treatment he recieves from the Coalition.

 

[Yossarian]

<big>Yeah right. I'm sure he writes a formal letter off his own bat.</big>.. And the Slipper thing is incredibly hyopcritical given his stance on Craig Thompson and his explanation is a massive cop out. "Quasi legal"? Come off it!!!

Either you have one rule for both or nothing.

:laughing: Now your doing what you accused me of yesterday….

The hypocrisy is that Labor have been squealing about misogynistic behaviour yet voted to keep Slipper in the speakers chair and continue to back him and court him today for his vote. The Coalition did the right thing by trying to vote him out but were beaten out by a group who are completely lost as to what they believe.

Once again, this is not Abbotts crusade and he has every right to request the vote of a party member. Craig Thomson is a thief, has always been one and deserves the treatment he recieves from the Coalition.

Defrauding the Commonwealth is okay then?

 

[Yossarian]

<big>Yeah right. I'm sure he writes a formal letter off his own bat.</big>.. And the Slipper thing is incredibly hyopcritical given his stance on Craig Thompson and his explanation is a massive cop out. "Quasi legal"? Come off it!!!

Either you have one rule for both or nothing.

:laughing: Now your doing what you accused me of yesterday….

Didn't you say "The coalition has not been courting Thomson, one member did that on his own."?

 

[stryker]

Yes I did and that can be backed up by an interview I read and another I heard with the man in question as well as the fact that when Labor pulled that childish stunt a while back where they tried to get Thomson to vote with the Coalition so they could accuse Abbott of double standards, he RAN out of the chamber to avoid going against his word.

So this isnt just my opinion.

 

[Winnipeg]

gee what an honest upstanding citizen

Stryker, do you agree Abbott acted dishonestly in the following episode?
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would you agree that he lied about the impact of the carbon tax and is continuing to lie?

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

Hahaha nice try Winnipeg, unconvincing yet entertaining responses none the less.

Julia Gillard
Jenny Macklin
Nicola Roxon
Tanya Plibersek
Penny Wong
Kate Ellis
Kate Lundy

and others have been trying to label Abbott as misogynistic for over a month now in a concerted campaign to secure the female vote as they know as most sensible people do, that this is their only chance to win the next election. They have attacked him through every medium with these false acusations. Their argument is as weak as water and they were absolutely trumped last week by Margie Abbott showed them up for the desperate clowns they really are. However the attacks continued. They have known for months now of Slippers actions and thoughts yet have continued to support him whilst slaying Abbott over matters far more trivial.

Peter Slipper, the most misogynist of all parliamentarians has become a protected species by the very people who are on a feminist crusade. What he said was hateful yet he gets a free pass when a bloke who is old fashioned in his thoughts (which I dont agree with completely) is crucified. Roxon organised for Slipper to enter the court through the judges enterance like a superstar avoiding paparazi, something she was scolded for in court by the sitting judge yet saw nothing wrong with it as Slipper is valuable to this weak gutted government.

Every single one of these women, who have all been on their soapboxes for months now screaming about Abbotts ill treatment of women, voted to protect a man 10 times more misogynist and hateful and in doing so sold their integrity down the river. This should be the final nail in the coffin for this group as every fair minded and respectable woman in this country should feel absolutely let down by these actions. I would seriously question the intelligence of any woman who votes for this party now. They dont care about this matter at all. Gillard even stooped as low as to bring her dead father into the debate.

She is a DISGRACE and her feminist supporters are morons because she protects people who hate women.

I find all this talk of misogyny quite ironic, given that the Labor Party has been a haven for misandrists since the Whitlam era. The systematic marginalizing of men and the erosion of their roles is an inherent part of the Labor Party charter. That list above contains quite a few men haters and by jeez it doesnt even include Christine Milne.

Still waiting to know who converted Gillard from the lesbian student activist of the early 80's, to the heterosexual politician we have today? That, anyway you look at it, is reverse metamorphosis.

 

[Yossarian]

Man haters? Have a listen to yourself… Too much Alan Jones for you...

 

[Yossarian]

Yes I did and that can be backed up by an interview I read and another I heard with the man in question as well as the fact that when Labor pulled that childish stunt a while back where they tried to get Thomson to vote with the Coalition so they could accuse Abbott of double standards, he RAN out of the chamber to avoid going against his word.

So this isnt just my opinion.

How do you come up with the ALP getting Thompson to vote with the Coalition? Where is your evidence it was anything more than CT making his own decision. Anyway he TRIED to run out of the chamber (he didn't actually make it) and ended up looking like a total tool.


Yet despite all this he's quite happy to take the vote of someone he himself has accused of unacceptable behaviour and who is being investigated for defrauding the commonwealth and harassing staff. This is your man of principle?

 

[stryker]

I have never stated he is my man of principle.

What I am stating is that the PM who raised all this sexist BS and has initiated a campaign of smear against a man with a family full of women in a vain attempt to convince female voters to turn on him and in doing so save her political hide, made herself and indeed her party look foolish when they slammed Abbott and then turned around and voted along party lines to protect the job of a bloke who has been PROVEN to be misogynistic in the extreme, thus nullifying her argument.

 

[Winnipeg]

I find all this talk of misogyny quite ironic, given that the Labor Party has been a haven for misandrists since the Whitlam era. The systematic marginalizing of men and the erosion of their roles is an inherent part of the Labor Party charter. That list above contains quite a few men haters and by jeez it doesnt even include Christine Milne.

Still waiting to know who converted Gillard from the lesbian student activist of the early 80's, to the heterosexual politician we have today? That, anyway you look at it, is reverse metamorphosis.

are you for real?

are you one of those cyber trolls that Robbie Farah's been going on about?

I was going to take you up on your earlier characterisation of Abbott but now I don't know whether it's worth the effort

 

[genoshan]

While I am not right into politics, I have generally voted labour all my life. I always based this on labour being for the working class.

Since Julia took office, I have become disillusioned with the Labour party, commencing with the backstabbing of Rudd. I have said previously that no matter the end result, when a lot of people vote, they are voting for their choice of PM, not necessarily their local member.

Back to my bad taste of labour. For the first time ever, I am leaning towards giving my vote to the Libs. I do not like Abbott particularly, but I have not time for Gillard. If the Libs had a better leader ( yes Turnbull is a better choice ) I would have no hesitation in giving the Libs my vote.

To clarify, I am close to 40 and considering changing votes for the first time ever. I speak to a lot of people in my workplace and the topic comes up regularly. Labour has lost a lot of its voter base due to poor leadership.

 

[stryker]

Hear hear Genoshan. I used to be labor as well many moons ago but realised that this party has no interest in its "working class roots" anymore. They are a joke who pander to their Union masters and more recently the Greens as well.

They couldnt be anymore pathetic which you can witness anytime any of these deluded morons are interviewed or appear or any television programme.

They will be in opposition for the next 15 years which should be just about enough time for the Coalition to remedy their myriad of stuff ups and relegate those scumbag unions to the background where they belong.

2013 is going to be a terrific year for Australia.

 

[happy_tiger]

While I am not right into politics, I have generally voted labour all my life. I always based this on labour being for the working class.

Since Julia took office, I have become disillusioned with the Labour party, commencing with the backstabbing of Rudd. I have said previously that no matter the end result, when a lot of people vote, they are voting for their choice of PM, not necessarily their local member.

Back to my bad taste of labour. For the first time ever, I am leaning towards giving my vote to the Libs. I do not like Abbott particularly, but I have not time for Gillard. If the Libs had a better leader ( yes Turnbull is a better choice ) I would have no hesitation in giving the Libs my vote.

To clarify, I am close to 40 and considering changing votes for the first time ever. I speak to a lot of people in my workplace and the topic comes up regularly. Labour has lost a lot of its voter base due to poor leadership.

Well said Genoshan , probably the only thing I disagree in part to , that people are voting for the PM , not the local member

The only times I have voted Labor was because I knew how good a local member was going to be for my electorate

Then my wife tried to run him and Ruddy over when they came to visit our kids schools in the school parking lot :roll

You will never live that down my darling :mrgreen:

 

[genoshan]

Happy, maybe my part about voting for the PM doesnt apply to everyone, but ask 100 people who their local member is, and I would surprised if much more than half know.

My father in law is a staunch labour voter, due to him being an ex wharfie and John Howard bring the military in to break up the unions ( I have heard the story 100 times ) if he thought I was going to vote Libs, I would be condemned…

Do you all think Tony will be the opposition leader coming up to the next election ? I have a feeling they may change leaders between now and then .

 

[happy_tiger]

Happy, maybe my part about voting for the PM doesnt apply to everyone, but ask 100 people who their local member is, and I would surprised if much more than half know.

My father in law is a staunch labour voter, due to him being an ex wharfie and John Howard bring the military in to break up the unions ( I have heard the story 100 times ) if he thought I was going to vote Libs, I would be condemned…

Do you all think Tony will be the opposition leader coming up to the next election ? I have a feeling they may change leaders between now and then .

That i do agree with Genoshan

If we bring in Turnbull we will win this in a Qld type landslide

Having known the member I was talking about from the football field (funnily enough) I knew if he was going to be as hard as a politician as he was footballer he would be fine

 

[Flippedy]

Hear hear Genoshan. I used to be labor as well many moons ago but realised that this party has no interest in its "working class roots" anymore. They are a joke who pander to their Union masters and more recently the Greens as well.

They couldnt be anymore pathetic which you can witness anytime any of these deluded morons are interviewed or appear or any television programme.

They will be in opposition for the next 15 years which should be just about enough time for the Coalition to remedy their myriad of stuff ups and relegate those scumbag unions to the background where they belong.

2013 is going to be a terrific year for Australia.

I agree that Labor has shifted somewhat from being concerned about the working class these days, but if you think 15 years of the Libs are gonna be great times for the average worker, then you are sadly deluded. Labor may have lost their love of the working class, but the Coalition has never had it. The gap between rich and poor is always much wider when a Liberal govt is in and this is a fact. The fat cats and multinationals love the Liberals.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

I find all this talk of misogyny quite ironic, given that the Labor Party has been a haven for misandrists since the Whitlam era. The systematic marginalizing of men and the erosion of their roles is an inherent part of the Labor Party charter. That list above contains quite a few men haters and by jeez it doesnt even include Christine Milne.

Still waiting to know who converted Gillard from the lesbian student activist of the early 80's, to the heterosexual politician we have today? That, anyway you look at it, is reverse metamorphosis.

are you for real?

are you one of those cyber trolls that Robbie Farah's been going on about?

I was going to take you up on your earlier characterisation of Abbott but now I don't know whether it's worth the effort

The majority of your responses in this thread appear to include little in the way of 'effort' so I'm not that surprised that you would toss up another dismissive one liner. I know this might take a massive effort but you could always counter the contention that the Labor Party has been a haven for misandrists since the Whitlam years.

Gillard was running for a position on the student council In the early eighties, loudly proclaiming her understanding of women's rights and noting that she was in a lesbian relationship. In between one liners you could have a scout around the web

 

[Tiger_Watto]

That i do agree with Genoshan

**If we bring in Turnbull we will win this in a Qld type landslide**

Having known the member I was talking about from the football field (funnily enough) I knew if he was going to be as hard as a politician as he was footballer he would be fine

One thing is for certain, Abbott can not go to the next election as leader… Its getting a big push up here at the moment and the consensus is Malcolm Turnbull.

Labor has some serious decisions to make also... Right now she is the perfect option as the 'hijacked' Prime Minister, but I'm wondering if Gillard will have the support of her Party and the Independents once Abbott is punted?