Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[yeti]

Strongly oppose Euthanasia.

Hindering the natural death process. Hope it doesn't pass.

I feel for those who have it tough towards the end of their life. However, every way you look at this, it's suicide.

"The natural death process…"? Milky in today's world there is no 'natural death process'. From childhood inoculations, to the plethora of prescription drugs to treat everything from high blood pressure to obesity, to the ingestion of every mineral and herb known to man, we are constantly attempting to eliminate or at least stave off the natural death process. In many cases because of western medicine we outlive our body's natural capacity for life itself.
To watch people die long and painful yet inevitable deaths is one of the most tragic sights to witness.
Bring it on I say.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Strongly oppose Euthanasia.

Hindering the natural death process. Hope it doesn't pass.

I feel for those who have it tough towards the end of their life. However, every way you look at this, it's suicide.

What's the point of chemo then? That's hindering the natural death process.

 

[Tim Sheens]

As BFF said it still has to pass the upper house. No idea what the numbers are like there.

I heard on Triple J yesterday that it easier in the Vic senate than the lower house. But who really knows.

They vote on this in the lower house in NSW next month. I really hope it passes in all States of Australia it is the only way people can die with dignity.

Heard the opposite and that the numbers were much tighter in the upper house, but that was on Murdoch's pie in the Sky News which only pictures on the far right of the screen.

 

[Milky]

Strongly oppose Euthanasia.

Hindering the natural death process. Hope it doesn't pass.

I feel for those who have it tough towards the end of their life. However, every way you look at this, it's suicide.

What's the point of chemo then? That's hindering the natural death process.

Thats different though.

Chemo attempts to keep someone living, it doesn't keep them 100% living. Euthanasia instantly kills a person.

 

[240z]

Strongly oppose Euthanasia.

Hindering the natural death process. Hope it doesn't pass.

I feel for those who have it tough towards the end of their life. However, every way you look at this, it's suicide.

You have obviously never watched a close relative die a slow and agonising death from cancer. Watch a love one cry from pain and prey for a quick end and then tell me what you think.

 

[jadtiger]

Strongly oppose Euthanasia.

Hindering the natural death process. Hope it doesn't pass.

I feel for those who have it tough towards the end of their life. However, every way you look at this, it's suicide.

If you have ever watched a loved one die a long and painful death you perhaps would not feel that way.It is not promoting suicide but allows a person to die with dignity.

 

[Guest]

Good. . . . A bit of dignity

Can't see too many opposing this

A step in the right direction for sure.

 

[Milky]

Strongly oppose Euthanasia.

Hindering the natural death process. Hope it doesn't pass.

I feel for those who have it tough towards the end of their life. However, every way you look at this, it's suicide.

You have obviously never watched a close relative die a slow and agonising death from cancer. Watch a love one cry from pain and prey for a quick end and then tell me what you think.

I have watched a close relative die slowly, not from cancer though.

My argument still stands.

Would a person not rather die fighting?

Have we neglected the duty that rises upon the person committing the act. This will increase suicide. People may make the wrong decisions, what if they would have beaten cancer?

It is going to become the resolution to many problems. But is it the right resolution?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I think Milky raises some interesting discussion in this debate, but I also feel legalising is a good thing if the legislation is drafter correctly.

While our doctors do a great job, they are from time to time too aligned to the oath they have taken. I have known many families who have had to endure watching thier loved ones go through such pain.

Has anyone seen the legislation, and how much scope it allows?

 

[Milky]

I think Milky raises some interesting discussion in this debate, but I also feel legalising is a good thing if the legislation is drafter correctly.

While our doctors do a great job, they are from time to time too aligned to the oath they have taken. I have known many families who have had to endure watching thier loved ones go through such pain.

Has anyone seen the legislation, and how much scope it allows?

Here is the NSW Bill

https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/bills/DBAssets/bills/BillText/3422/b2016-044-d30_House.pdf

 

[Milky]

Just a quick point…

As a consequence of the terminal illness, the person has been experiencing severe pain,
suffering or physical incapacity to an extent unacceptable to the person.

Part of the NSW Bill, ambiguous to an extent. How would an objective person define severe pain?

 

[Wagga_Tiger]

Strongly oppose Euthanasia.

Hindering the natural death process. Hope it doesn't pass.

I feel for those who have it tough towards the end of their life. However, every way you look at this, it's suicide.

You have obviously never watched a close relative die a slow and agonising death from cancer. Watch a love one cry from pain and prey for a quick end and then tell me what you think.

I have watched a close relative die slowly, not from cancer though.

My argument still stands.

Would a person not rather die fighting?

Have we neglected the duty that rises upon the person committing the act. This will increase suicide. People may make the wrong decisions, what if they would have beaten cancer?

It is going to become the resolution to many problems. But is it the right resolution?

To me this is a really ignorant statement Milky, I watched my Mother and my Mother in Law fight cancer with everything they had and it still got to the point they could fight no more but lay in a bed and turn into some sad parody of what they used to be. Days and days of pain and not even able to say goodbye to their families just laying there "living" . I know what choice they would have made if they were able and having gone through it twice I would back any one to make that decision to leave this world with dignity.

 

[Milky]

Strongly oppose Euthanasia.

Hindering the natural death process. Hope it doesn't pass.

I feel for those who have it tough towards the end of their life. However, every way you look at this, it's suicide.

You have obviously never watched a close relative die a slow and agonising death from cancer. Watch a love one cry from pain and prey for a quick end and then tell me what you think.

I have watched a close relative die slowly, not from cancer though.

My argument still stands.

Would a person not rather die fighting?

Have we neglected the duty that rises upon the person committing the act. This will increase suicide. People may make the wrong decisions, what if they would have beaten cancer?

It is going to become the resolution to many problems. But is it the right resolution?

To me this is a really ignorant statement Milky, I watched my Mother and my Mother in Law fight cancer with everything they had and it still got to the point they could fight no more but lay in a bed and turn into some sad parody of what they used to be. Days and days of pain and not even able to say goodbye to their families just laying there "living" . I know what choice they would have made if they were able and having gone through it twice I would back any one to make that decision to leave this world with dignity.

Thats your opinion and I respect that.

However, other factors need to be considered when passing legislation.

I'm sorry to hear about your mother and mother in law.

 

[Wagga_Tiger]

It's not an opinion Milky I'm saying your statement is ignorant " would a person not rather die fighting" you wouldn't have a f#@kin clue what you are talking about, some people don't have a chance to fight the disease, some cancers cant be fought but if you had your way everyone must suffer before they die.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Afraid this is another of those topics that finds logic and bibles drawn at ten paces.

 

[Nelson]

Just a quick point…

As a consequence of the terminal illness, the person has been experiencing severe pain,
suffering or physical incapacity to an extent unacceptable to the person.

Part of the NSW Bill, ambiguous to an extent. How would an objective person define severe pain?

It doesn't matter because that is a purely subjective condition that is not subject to Supreme Court review. The patient just has to certify that they are suffering etc. to an extent unacceptable to them. It is not a tough club model where people will be told to harden up, it's a free choice model. It may not pass in that form but that's how that bill is framed.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Strongly oppose Euthanasia.

Hindering the natural death process. Hope it doesn't pass.

I feel for those who have it tough towards the end of their life. However, every way you look at this, it's suicide.

Isn't having a Doctor cutting out a malignant tumour also hindering the natural death process?
Or putting a donated heart in someone who would otherwise have died.
Aren't you having two bob each way?
Every day the natural death process is hindered somewhere in some way.

 

[240z]

Strongly oppose Euthanasia.

Hindering the natural death process. Hope it doesn't pass.

I feel for those who have it tough towards the end of their life. However, every way you look at this, it's suicide.

You have obviously never watched a close relative die a slow and agonising death from cancer. Watch a love one cry from pain and prey for a quick end and then tell me what you think.

I have watched a close relative die slowly, not from cancer though.

My argument still stands.

Would a person not rather die fighting?

Have we neglected the duty that rises upon the person committing the act. This will increase suicide. People may make the wrong decisions, what if they would have beaten cancer?

It is going to become the resolution to many problems. But is it the right resolution?

Milky, my Father in Law died 12 mths ago today. He was given 6 mths to live and fought for 16 mths and by then he was spent and died a terribly difficult death. Nobody and I repeat nobody should be forced to endure such pain and kept alive against his will. It is cruel and evil that he was not given his wish to die.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Strongly oppose Euthanasia.

Hindering the natural death process. Hope it doesn't pass.

I feel for those who have it tough towards the end of their life. However, every way you look at this, it's suicide.

You have obviously never watched a close relative die a slow and agonising death from cancer. Watch a love one cry from pain and prey for a quick end and then tell me what you think.

I have watched a close relative die slowly, not from cancer though.

My argument still stands.

Would a person not rather die fighting?

Have we neglected the duty that rises upon the person committing the act. This will increase suicide. People may make the wrong decisions, what if they would have beaten cancer?

It is going to become the resolution to many problems. But is it the right resolution?

To me this is a really ignorant statement Milky, I watched my Mother and my Mother in Law fight cancer with everything they had and it still got to the point they could fight no more but lay in a bed and turn into some sad parody of what they used to be. Days and days of pain and not even able to say goodbye to their families just laying there "living" . I know what choice they would have made if they were able and having gone through it twice I would back any one to make that decision to leave this world with dignity.

I have bent and broken the law for many a good cause and never for otherwise. The only time I felt p.ssweak in not breaking the law was when my mother asked me to end her life, I did not realise then the pain she was going to suffer in the next nine months, she had cancer everywhere. The only time I was p.ssweak in not wanting to face the cops, I have proudly faced off the cops since a youngster. When carrying her to the toilet her bones were crumbling. She could not pass waste due to the cancer spreading to her bowels etc. etc., you guys are lucky it is after dinnertime. She said that when she dies she is going to break God's neck for giving her cancer. That's the spirit mum. If someone was being abused she would stand up for them etc etc.. She eventually turned atheist over it.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

My mother did not say good bye to us, she was like in a stupor. But I made a one hour video of her when she was still strong to play after she died - did she tell everyone off who deserved it etc etc, as well as having everyone in stitches. Were there red faces galore ha ha ha.

Her last words were speaking on phone to her brother with another brother alongside - "how do you think I feel, I am doing the quickstep with your brother but he can't keep up with me!"