Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Yossarian]

Spot on. South Australia's blackouts/brownouts etc had bugger all to do with renewables despite the outright lies the federal government tried to sell.

Paper today huge story on how the POOR are subsidies the RICH for there solar power on there roofs you gotta love left politics and the greenies ,can not wait until Billy Shortcumimmigs gets in so interest rates can finally move up as they do under Labor and more subsides for solar panels …we have to pay to save the planet but wait China have 1000 coal burners and building more each year . Get ready Australia you are going to PAY big time ! :roll

I pretty much write off anything that involves a pun form of someone’s name. I’m more interested in wages going up - they’ve been stagnant under this lot.

Will be interesting if they do yoss. I reckon it has more to do with globalisation and automation than anything else.

I suspect you'll disagree but I would suggest weaker industrial powers for workers is a massive factor.

 

[colmcd]

Spot on. South Australia's blackouts/brownouts etc had bugger all to do with renewables despite the outright lies the federal government tried to sell.

Paper today huge story on how the POOR are subsidies the RICH for there solar power on there roofs you gotta love left politics and the greenies ,can not wait until Billy Shortcumimmigs gets in so interest rates can finally move up as they do under Labor and more subsides for solar panels …we have to pay to save the planet but wait China have 1000 coal burners and building more each year . Get ready Australia you are going to PAY big time ! :roll

I pretty much write off anything that involves a pun form of someone’s name. I’m more interested in wages going up - they’ve been stagnant under this lot.

Interested too.
There are a myriad of reasons but has anyone noticed which wages have gone up?
Specialists (even rugby players, anyone with extremely desirable skills in short supply).
Corporate exec's.

I have been reading a bit on Management theory.
It asserts that only Managers matter. That if you have bad employees, but a good manager then the bad employees will be moved on. But if you have good employees, they will be bad, because you have a bad manager.

So hence companies pay the best to get good management. The odd bit about this is it echo's upward. With the Corporate exec's being paid bigger and bigger dollars to be 'good'. Yet the customer face is often paid min wage and this is the face of the company that people see.

In the 90's corporate bonuses were performance tied in Britain. This was in part due to Gov interference. As people could see Directors wages increasing out of control and many directors were getting pay increases but no real justification. Once Director wages were tied to performance, the directors wages skyrocketed. Often directors would pick the metrics that they knew were going up or they would stripmine the company to make a short term profit.

Hence I believe that real wages have not gone up in part because manager and director wages have skyrocketed. It's not that their taking the money but there is no need from the Directors or managers point of view to give wage increases further down.

Ofcourse I disagree with the theory. I have seen good employees hold a company together with bad management. Bad management does create a ceiling of how good an employee can be. No one wants bad management. But company incentives should not be directed just at managers and especially should not be directed at just the Board of directors!

 

[colmcd]

What I find really odd is this "news put out by CNN, ABC, MSNBC.".
I know Australians that watch FOX, and it's hopeless. It's communist propaganda fake. Anyway
I barely check CNN, usually disagree with MSNBC and do not see the American ABC. Really I don't see any of these news outlets.

Americans might watch the news articles above. I don't. Occasionally I get sent a Washington post article. I usually tune into the Guardian and the Intercept.

If you seriously think that Fox is communist, then you are truly in need of an intervention. You my friend have big problems.

Magpiecol, I did not say that Fox was Communist. I said it's "communist propaganda fake".
I.e. Putin wrestling a Bear, Stalin being all wise/powerful and Kim Jun il being the most hansome man on earth FAKE.

Or to put it more apptly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R48KMbOOR-A
FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE.

If you watch Fox, you bleat and get sheared worse then any other viewers.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Not satisfied with creating a diplomatic incident with Fiji, Dolt Dutton wants to push through amendments to his citizenship law which would ensure he as Minister would only have to be "reasonably satisfied" that someone has citizenship of another country to strip them of Australian citizenship. I can't see the point because who did the checking on Prakash?

 

[happy_tiger]

Spot on. South Australia's blackouts/brownouts etc had bugger all to do with renewables despite the outright lies the federal government tried to sell.

Paper today huge story on how the POOR are subsidies the RICH for there solar power on there roofs you gotta love left politics and the greenies ,can not wait until Billy Shortcumimmigs gets in so interest rates can finally move up as they do under Labor and more subsides for solar panels …we have to pay to save the planet but wait China have 1000 coal burners and building more each year . Get ready Australia you are going to PAY big time ! :roll

I pretty much write off anything that involves a pun form of someone’s name. I’m more interested in wages going up - they’ve been stagnant under this lot.

Interested too.
There are a myriad of reasons but has anyone noticed which wages have gone up?
Specialists (even rugby players, anyone with extremely desirable skills in short supply).
Corporate exec's.

I have been reading a bit on Management theory.
It asserts that only Managers matter. That if you have bad employees, but a good manager then the bad employees will be moved on. But if you have good employees, they will be bad, because you have a bad manager.

So hence companies pay the best to get good management. The odd bit about this is it echo's upward. With the Corporate exec's being paid bigger and bigger dollars to be 'good'. Yet the customer face is often paid min wage and this is the face of the company that people see.

In the 90's corporate bonuses were performance tied in Britain. This was in part due to Gov interference. As people could see Directors wages increasing out of control and many directors were getting pay increases but no real justification. Once Director wages were tied to performance, the directors wages skyrocketed. Often directors would pick the metrics that they knew were going up or they would stripmine the company to make a short term profit.

Hence I believe that real wages have not gone up in part because manager and director wages have skyrocketed. It's not that their taking the money but there is no need from the Directors or managers point of view to give wage increases further down.

Ofcourse I disagree with the theory. I have seen good employees hold a company together with bad management. Bad management does create a ceiling of how good an employee can be. No one wants bad management. But company incentives should not be directed just at managers and especially should not be directed at just the Board of directors!

A truly good manager should be able to hire the right people and train a good team

That is the exact question I am putting to myself at the moment , a few recent hires haven't gone well …..should I blame the employees or the idiot who hired them :laughing:

In my defence , one major thing has happened in the last twenty years , most people interview very well these days , but work ethic / attitude is far harder to pick in the modern day

People are far more confident outwardly these days , and the person 20 years ago I'd pick out in the first 5 minutes as the right person more often that not isn't the star anymore .....just a professional interviewer ......says the right stuff but wouldn't have a clue how to put what they said into action

I'm getting far too old to carry my business day in and day out 😢

 

[Pawsandclaws]

I read this in disbelief but after Dutton created the Fiji incident plus Slomo' wanting to re-locate the Aust Embassy to Jerusalem to gain advantage in Wentworth, you can only conclude these two are incompetent and dangerous men.

Funniest thing is if Dutton could count, he could have been Prime Muppet instead of Slomo
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ABC News on Dec 11, 2018 - "Peter Dutton told Sky News he has always seen parliament as a disadvantage for the government of the day."

 

[jadtiger]

Not satisfied with creating a diplomatic incident with Fiji, Dolt Dutton wants to push through amendments to his citizenship law which would ensure he as Minister would only have to be "reasonably satisfied" that someone has citizenship of another country to strip them of Australian citizenship. I can't see the point because who did the checking on Prakash?

Mr Potato Head keeps on showing his ineptness to be in government in any capacity.In regards to Prakash it is unfortunate that he didnt get killed while with the terrorists BUT he is our problem and nobody elses.If and when he gets expelled back to Australia he should be charged and spend the rest of his life behind bars avoiding fellow inmates

 

[Masterton]

Not satisfied with creating a diplomatic incident with Fiji, Dolt Dutton wants to push through amendments to his citizenship law which would ensure he as Minister would only have to be "reasonably satisfied" that someone has citizenship of another country to strip them of Australian citizenship. I can't see the point because who did the checking on Prakash?

Mr Potato Head keeps on showing his ineptness to be in government in any capacity.In regards to Prakash it is unfortunate that he didnt get killed while with the terrorists BUT he is our problem and nobody elses.If and when he gets expelled back to Australia he should be charged and spend the rest of his life behind bars avoiding fellow inmates

In the future when a terrorist is discovered with dual nationality, there will be a race between the countries to see who can cancel his citizenship first.

No matter which side of politics you are on, surely everyone know Dutton is a dumb thug.

 

[happy_tiger]

Dutton is now attempting to tell the Fijian's that Neil Prakash is one of theirs! As a commenter has appropriately written, go home Dutton, your village is looking for its idiot.

Had the unfortunate pleasure to meet the village idiot many years ago at a nightclub when he was with the young Liberals (one of girls in the group was hot :laughing: )

One of the dullest humans I've ever met , if you remember the scenes from the Flying High movies when Ted Stryker is telling his life story to the passengers sitting beside him and they all attempt suicide ….... I understand that feeling

 

[jadtiger]

Not satisfied with creating a diplomatic incident with Fiji, Dolt Dutton wants to push through amendments to his citizenship law which would ensure he as Minister would only have to be "reasonably satisfied" that someone has citizenship of another country to strip them of Australian citizenship. I can't see the point because who did the checking on Prakash?

Mr Potato Head keeps on showing his ineptness to be in government in any capacity.In regards to Prakash it is unfortunate that he didnt get killed while with the terrorists BUT he is our problem and nobody elses.If and when he gets expelled back to Australia he should be charged and spend the rest of his life behind bars avoiding fellow inmates

In the future when a terrorist is discovered with dual nationality, there will be a race between the countries to see who can cancel his citizenship first.

No matter which side of politics you are on, surely everyone know Dutton is a dumb thug.

You would hope people can see it but i still expect him to be voted back into parliament.This is the tragedy of our political system any useless hack in a safe seat gets returned as long as the party endorses them

 

[colmcd]

Dutton is now attempting to tell the Fijian's that Neil Prakash is one of theirs! As a commenter has appropriately written, go home Dutton, your village is looking for its idiot.

Had the unfortunate pleasure to meet the village idiot many years ago at a nightclub when he was with the young Liberals (one of girls in the group was hot :laughing: )

One of the dullest humans I've ever met , if you remember the scenes from the Flying High movies when Ted Stryker is telling his life story to the passengers sitting beside him and they all attempt suicide ….... I understand that feeling

Wow, but no surprise. Man Peter the dud Dutton does look dull.
Man he is a Queensland ex Cop. They make the NSW ones look good.

 

[colmcd]

Not satisfied with creating a diplomatic incident with Fiji, Dolt Dutton wants to push through amendments to his citizenship law which would ensure he as Minister would only have to be "reasonably satisfied" that someone has citizenship of another country to strip them of Australian citizenship. I can't see the point because who did the checking on Prakash?

Mr Potato Head keeps on showing his ineptness to be in government in any capacity.In regards to Prakash it is unfortunate that he didnt get killed while with the terrorists BUT he is our problem and nobody elses.If and when he gets expelled back to Australia he should be charged and spend the rest of his life behind bars avoiding fellow inmates

In the future when a terrorist is discovered with dual nationality, there will be a race between the countries to see who can cancel his citizenship first.

No matter which side of politics you are on, surely everyone know Dutton is a dumb thug.

I think what's dumb about this is that I don't think we want these people going back to third world countries!
Yes they are dangerous, yes I don't like the thought of our jail system paying for their incarceration.
But flipped on it's head, overseas I could see either a very harsh sentence or a slap on the wrist.
Judges get bought a lot easier in the third world. Prison guards can pass on a lot more there then here (and they pass on heaps here).

Yes when they lock people, they lock people in a hell hole. But if they are sympathetic to the person being charged, they could be out in 6 months or sooner.
Keep him behind our bars where we know where he is. Keep your Enemies close.

 

[jadtiger]

I object to paying a poiticians expenses to attend a racist rally especially after his comments in parliament.A complete waste of money,i know its democracy at work but sometimes we get it very wrong.
We need unity in this wonderful country of ours not division

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

As I understand it Prakash was born, raised and radicalised in Australia. Why is he Fiji's problem? Why do they have to deal with the scumbag when they've had little, if anything, to do with him, other than the fact his citizenship is conferred by way of his father.

Fair enough if he was raised and radicalised over there, but this is the problem with these terrorism dual citizenship laws, they will be implemented incorrectly. Potato Head is showing that he'll use them to wipe his hands of any dual citizenship holding terrorist regardless of how little the other nation has had to do with them. Buck passing at it's finest.

As it stands he'll spend quite a lot of time in prison in Turkey it seems.

 

[jadtiger]

As I understand it Prakash was born, raised and radicalised in Australia. Why is he Fiji's problem? Why do they have to deal with the scumbag when they've had little, if anything, to do with him, other than the fact his citizenship is conferred by way of his father.

Fair enough if he was raised and radicalised over there, but this is the problem with these terrorism dual citizenship laws, they will be implemented incorrectly. Potato Head is showing that he'll use them to wipe his hands of any dual citizenship holding terrorist regardless of how little the other nation has had to do with them. Buck passing at it's finest.

As it stands he'll spend quite a lot of time in prison in Turkey it seems.

Prakash is not and has never been a Fijian citizen also he has never applied to be one he did apply for Australian citizenship and was given it. Dutton is an intellectual midget and is just trying to be deceptive and shift the responsibility elsewhere.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

As I understand it Prakash was born, raised and radicalised in Australia. Why is he Fiji's problem? Why do they have to deal with the scumbag when they've had little, if anything, to do with him, other than the fact his citizenship is conferred by way of his father.

Fair enough if he was raised and radicalised over there, but this is the problem with these terrorism dual citizenship laws, they will be implemented incorrectly. Potato Head is showing that he'll use them to wipe his hands of any dual citizenship holding terrorist regardless of how little the other nation has had to do with them. Buck passing at it's finest.

As it stands he'll spend quite a lot of time in prison in Turkey it seems.

Prakash is not and has never been a Fijian citizen also he has never applied to be one he did apply for Australian citizenship and was given it. Dutton is an intellectual midget and is just trying to be deceptive and shift the responsibility elsewhere.

Oh OK, I thought that it was said that his Fijian status was conferred.

I stand corrected. Makes what Potato Head is doing even more ludicrous.

 

[Geo]

Clive will save us..Aussie's aren't gunna take it anymoreeeeee

 

[gallagher]

As I understand it Prakash was born, raised and radicalised in Australia. Why is he Fiji's problem? Why do they have to deal with the scumbag when they've had little, if anything, to do with him, other than the fact his citizenship is conferred by way of his father.

Fair enough if he was raised and radicalised over there, but this is the problem with these terrorism dual citizenship laws, they will be implemented incorrectly. Potato Head is showing that he'll use them to wipe his hands of any dual citizenship holding terrorist regardless of how little the other nation has had to do with them. Buck passing at it's finest.

As it stands he'll spend quite a lot of time in prison in Turkey it seems.

Prakash is not and has never been a Fijian citizen also he has never applied to be one he did apply for Australian citizenship and was given it. Dutton is an intellectual midget and is just trying to be deceptive and shift the responsibility elsewhere.

Where is he from If he had to apply for Aust citizenship?

 

[jadtiger]

As I understand it Prakash was born, raised and radicalised in Australia. Why is he Fiji's problem? Why do they have to deal with the scumbag when they've had little, if anything, to do with him, other than the fact his citizenship is conferred by way of his father.

Fair enough if he was raised and radicalised over there, but this is the problem with these terrorism dual citizenship laws, they will be implemented incorrectly. Potato Head is showing that he'll use them to wipe his hands of any dual citizenship holding terrorist regardless of how little the other nation has had to do with them. Buck passing at it's finest.

As it stands he'll spend quite a lot of time in prison in Turkey it seems.

Prakash is not and has never been a Fijian citizen also he has never applied to be one he did apply for Australian citizenship and was given it. Dutton is an intellectual midget and is just trying to be deceptive and shift the responsibility elsewhere.

Where is he from If he had to apply for Aust citizenship?

He was born here but the qualification for getting citizenship and passport is far more complex than it used to be.If you were born here before 20th Aug 1986 you are automatically an Australian citizen, anyone born after that has to prove it.There are certain ways of doing that if one of your parents is an Australian citizen that will do it or if neither parent is if one has permanent residency given before your birth that is also sufficient.John Howard made this law when he was in government.I worked in the post office for over 20 years and had to deal with this every day checking passport applications.I have dealt with a passport application where the applicant(childrens) has had to provide evidence of their grandparents birth certificate because the mother was born after that date and the father was english.The mother had never owned a passport so she could not produce that as evidence of her being Australian as it was after that date.

 

[gallagher]

As I understand it Prakash was born, raised and radicalised in Australia. Why is he Fiji's problem? Why do they have to deal with the scumbag when they've had little, if anything, to do with him, other than the fact his citizenship is conferred by way of his father.

Fair enough if he was raised and radicalised over there, but this is the problem with these terrorism dual citizenship laws, they will be implemented incorrectly. Potato Head is showing that he'll use them to wipe his hands of any dual citizenship holding terrorist regardless of how little the other nation has had to do with them. Buck passing at it's finest.

As it stands he'll spend quite a lot of time in prison in Turkey it seems.

Prakash is not and has never been a Fijian citizen also he has never applied to be one he did apply for Australian citizenship and was given it. Dutton is an intellectual midget and is just trying to be deceptive and shift the responsibility elsewhere.

Where is he from If he had to apply for Aust citizenship?

He was born here but the qualification for getting citizenship and passport is far more complex than it used to be.If you were born here before 20th Aug 1986 you are automatically an Australian citizen, anyone born after that has to prove it.There are certain ways of doing that if one of your parents is an Australian citizen that will do it or if neither parent is if one has permanent residency given before your birth that is also sufficient.John Howard made this law when he was in government.I worked in the post office for over 20 years and had to deal with this every day checking passport applications.I have dealt with a passport application where the applicant(childrens) has had to provide evidence of their grandparents birth certificate because the mother was born after that date and the father was english.The mother had never owned a passport so she could not produce that as evidence of her being Australian as it was after that date.

Cheers, wasnt aware of any of that.