Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[TillLindemann]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.

To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

They didn't seem to have a problem pre 1979.
The biggest victims of the current Iranian regime are the Iranian people.... followed by the innocent people killed by terrorists, in the name of fundamentalist Islam, with funds provided by Iran.

The biggest funder of fundamentalist Islamic terror is not Iran, it is Saudi Arabia.

Why are the Saudis untouchable?

Really? Against the west? lol

The Saudis don't just bankroll fundamentalist groups all over the world with weapons and money. They also pay for madrassas all over the world that brainwash students with fundamentalist Wahabbi/Salafist interpretations of Islam. Including where the Bali bombers attended.

And don't forget most of the September 11 pilots were Saudis, yet it was Iraq that got invaded.

ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban all hate Iran. All the suicide bombers you see attacking the West are brainwashed by the Wahabbi ideology that the Saudis promote. They are NOT Shi'ites like Iran.

If you seriously think Iran isn't funding terrorism then nobody is going to sway you.
You can blame Saudi Arabia and whoever else you want but its common knowledge.

Name the last terrorist attack in the West committed by Iran.

 

[cktiger]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.

To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

They didn't seem to have a problem pre 1979.
The biggest victims of the current Iranian regime are the Iranian people.... followed by the innocent people killed by terrorists, in the name of fundamentalist Islam, with funds provided by Iran.

The biggest funder of fundamentalist Islamic terror is not Iran, it is Saudi Arabia.

Why are the Saudis untouchable?

Really? Against the west? lol

The Saudis don't just bankroll fundamentalist groups all over the world with weapons and money. They also pay for madrassas all over the world that brainwash students with fundamentalist Wahabbi/Salafist interpretations of Islam. Including where the Bali bombers attended.

And don't forget most of the September 11 pilots were Saudis, yet it was Iraq that got invaded.

ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban all hate Iran. All the suicide bombers you see attacking the West are brainwashed by the Wahabbi ideology that the Saudis promote. They are NOT Shi'ites like Iran.

If you seriously think Iran isn't funding terrorism then nobody is going to sway you.
You can blame Saudi Arabia and whoever else you want but its common knowledge.

Name the last terrorist attack in the West committed by Iran.

Lol - in the last week there's been two.
You think they put their names directly on attacks generally?
Much easier to just fund every other terrorist group and let them take credit and big note themselves.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Let's get real here, the reason we are talking about Iran at the moment is because a man is insecure and jealous of his predecessor, which is why, unlike any president before him, he can't stop mentioning the man that went before him.

 

[TillLindemann]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.

To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

They didn't seem to have a problem pre 1979.
The biggest victims of the current Iranian regime are the Iranian people.... followed by the innocent people killed by terrorists, in the name of fundamentalist Islam, with funds provided by Iran.

The biggest funder of fundamentalist Islamic terror is not Iran, it is Saudi Arabia.

Why are the Saudis untouchable?

Really? Against the west? lol

The Saudis don't just bankroll fundamentalist groups all over the world with weapons and money. They also pay for madrassas all over the world that brainwash students with fundamentalist Wahabbi/Salafist interpretations of Islam. Including where the Bali bombers attended.

And don't forget most of the September 11 pilots were Saudis, yet it was Iraq that got invaded.

ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban all hate Iran. All the suicide bombers you see attacking the West are brainwashed by the Wahabbi ideology that the Saudis promote. They are NOT Shi'ites like Iran.

If you seriously think Iran isn't funding terrorism then nobody is going to sway you.
You can blame Saudi Arabia and whoever else you want but its common knowledge.

Name the last terrorist attack in the West committed by Iran.

Lol - in the last week there's been two.
You think they put their names directly on attacks generally?
Much easier to just fund every other terrorist group and let them take credit and big note themselves.

There has not been any attacks in the west committed by Iran (or anyone for that matter) in the last week.

The ones in recent years that I can think of off the top of my head: Charlie Hebdo office in Paris (Salafist, i.e. not Iran); 2015 Paris attacks (Salafist, not Iran); various London attacks (Salafist, not Iran); Nice truck attack, Berlin truck attack (both Salafist). There's a pattern here, and it doesn't point to Iran.

 

[TillLindemann]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. ****It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.**
>**
To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

This.

Case in point East India Co.

I am reading a book at the moment about India and the East India company by Shashi Tharoor it is called Inglorious Empire and it is a compelling read about how India became a british colony by blatant robbery and underhand tactics.
It is a real eye opener to see how disgusting the tactics were in creating the british empire

Makes what Mahatma Gandhi was able to achieve even more amazing

He fought everyone , dealt with the class issues both within the British and Indians and the religious difference within India

My favourite book which deals with political persecution is the James A Michener Bridge at Andau which talks about the story of the Hungarians turning away from Communism and then fighting against Communism in 1956

Give me a drop of Hungarian blood any day thanks

Americans look pretty bad in this situation as well

Yeah don't mess with the Hungarians!

 

[Ponyo]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. ****It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.**
>**
To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

This.

Case in point East India Co.

I am reading a book at the moment about India and the East India company by Shashi Tharoor it is called Inglorious Empire and it is a compelling read about how India became a british colony by blatant robbery and underhand tactics.
It is a real eye opener to see how disgusting the tactics were in creating the british empire

Makes what Mahatma Gandhi was able to achieve even more amazing

He fought everyone , dealt with the class issues both within the British and Indians and the religious difference within India

My favourite book which deals with political persecution is the James A Michener Bridge at Andau which talks about the story of the Hungarians turning away from Communism and then fighting against Communism in 1956

Give me a drop of Hungarian blood any day thanks

Americans look pretty bad in this situation as well

Yeah don't mess with the Hungarians!

Famous weapon of choice - paprika powder

@trentrunciman what compelled you to go snowboarding in Iran TR - are you originally from there? business or pleasure? wanted to ask you earlier on but the thread got hectic

 

[happy_tiger]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. ****It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.**
>**
To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

This.

Case in point East India Co.

I am reading a book at the moment about India and the East India company by Shashi Tharoor it is called Inglorious Empire and it is a compelling read about how India became a british colony by blatant robbery and underhand tactics.
It is a real eye opener to see how disgusting the tactics were in creating the british empire

Makes what Mahatma Gandhi was able to achieve even more amazing

He fought everyone , dealt with the class issues both within the British and Indians and the religious difference within India

My favourite book which deals with political persecution is the James A Michener Bridge at Andau which talks about the story of the Hungarians turning away from Communism and then fighting against Communism in 1956

Give me a drop of Hungarian blood any day thanks

Americans look pretty bad in this situation as well

Yeah don't mess with the Hungarians!

Too think they took out around 500 Russian Tanks with their bare hands and ingenuity is just thought provoking

And people forget they were one of the top sides in world soccer and water polo and lost a whole generation of sportsmen

 

[Ponyo]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. ****It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.**
>**
To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

This.

Case in point East India Co.

I am reading a book at the moment about India and the East India company by Shashi Tharoor it is called Inglorious Empire and it is a compelling read about how India became a british colony by blatant robbery and underhand tactics.
It is a real eye opener to see how disgusting the tactics were in creating the british empire

Makes what Mahatma Gandhi was able to achieve even more amazing

He fought everyone , dealt with the class issues both within the British and Indians and the religious difference within India

My favourite book which deals with political persecution is the James A Michener Bridge at Andau which talks about the story of the Hungarians turning away from Communism and then fighting against Communism in 1956

Give me a drop of Hungarian blood any day thanks

Americans look pretty bad in this situation as well

Yeah don't mess with the Hungarians!

Too think they took out around 500 Russian Tanks with their bare hands and ingenuity is just thought provoking

And people forget they were one of the top sides in world soccer and water polo and lost a whole generation of sportsmen

Austrio-Hungarians sucked though
Nazi collaborators & imperialists

 

[Tiger5150]

***Let's get real here, the reason we are talking about Iran at the moment*** is because a man is insecure and jealous of his predecessor, which is why, unlike any president before him, he can't stop mentioning the man that went before him.

Lets get really real. the reason we are talking about Iran, is they (via proxy militia) attacked and set fire to a US embassy. That doesnt happen & Soliemani is still alive.

 

[Tiger5150]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. ****It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.**
>**
To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

This.

Case in point East India Co.

I am reading a book at the moment about India and the East India company by Shashi Tharoor it is called Inglorious Empire and it is a compelling read about how India became a british colony by blatant robbery and underhand tactics.
It is a real eye opener to see how disgusting the tactics were in creating the british empire

Makes what Mahatma Gandhi was able to achieve even more amazing

He fought everyone , dealt with the class issues both within the British and Indians and the religious difference within India

My favourite book which deals with political persecution is the James A Michener Bridge at Andau which talks about the story of the Hungarians turning away from Communism and then fighting against Communism in 1956

Give me a drop of Hungarian blood any day thanks

Americans look pretty bad in this situation as well

Yeah don't mess with the Hungarians!

Too think they took out around 500 Russian Tanks with their bare hands and ingenuity is just thought provoking

And people forget they were one of the top sides in world soccer and water polo and lost a whole generation of sportsmen

Austrio-Hungarians sucked though
Nazi collaborators & imperialists

They werent Nazi collaborators. The Austro Hungarian empire didnt exist when the Nazi's existed.

 

[Ponyo]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. ****It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.**
>**
To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

This.

Case in point East India Co.

I am reading a book at the moment about India and the East India company by Shashi Tharoor it is called Inglorious Empire and it is a compelling read about how India became a british colony by blatant robbery and underhand tactics.
It is a real eye opener to see how disgusting the tactics were in creating the british empire

Makes what Mahatma Gandhi was able to achieve even more amazing

He fought everyone , dealt with the class issues both within the British and Indians and the religious difference within India

My favourite book which deals with political persecution is the James A Michener Bridge at Andau which talks about the story of the Hungarians turning away from Communism and then fighting against Communism in 1956

Give me a drop of Hungarian blood any day thanks

Americans look pretty bad in this situation as well

Yeah don't mess with the Hungarians!

Too think they took out around 500 Russian Tanks with their bare hands and ingenuity is just thought provoking

And people forget they were one of the top sides in world soccer and water polo and lost a whole generation of sportsmen

Austrio-Hungarians sucked though
Nazi collaborators & imperialists


They werent Nazi collaborators. The Austro Hungarian empire didnt exist when the Nazi's existed.

You're absolutely right Glenn, Austrio-Hungarians were the imperialists and the Hungarians were the facist Nazi collaborators.

 

[Tiger5150]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. ****It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.**
>**
To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

This.

Case in point East India Co.

I am reading a book at the moment about India and the East India company by Shashi Tharoor it is called Inglorious Empire and it is a compelling read about how India became a british colony by blatant robbery and underhand tactics.
It is a real eye opener to see how disgusting the tactics were in creating the british empire

Makes what Mahatma Gandhi was able to achieve even more amazing

He fought everyone , dealt with the class issues both within the British and Indians and the religious difference within India

My favourite book which deals with political persecution is the James A Michener Bridge at Andau which talks about the story of the Hungarians turning away from Communism and then fighting against Communism in 1956

Give me a drop of Hungarian blood any day thanks

Americans look pretty bad in this situation as well

Yeah don't mess with the Hungarians!

Too think they took out around 500 Russian Tanks with their bare hands and ingenuity is just thought provoking

And people forget they were one of the top sides in world soccer and water polo and lost a whole generation of sportsmen

Austrio-Hungarians sucked though
Nazi collaborators & imperialists


They werent Nazi collaborators. The Austro Hungarian empire didnt exist when the Nazi's existed.

You're absolutely right Glenn, Austrio-Hungarians were the imperialists and the Hungarians were the facist Nazi collaborators.

Im absolutely right that the AustroHungarian empire didnt exist at the time of the Nazi's but you have the rest of it totally wrong. The Austrians lost all of their empire outside of Austria. The Hungarians were not Nazi collaborators, they were "anyone but Russia" collaborators and were isolated. Mate I know you butt heads with me out of sport, but this is a topic I have first hand knowledge on.

 

[Tim Sheens]

***Let's get real here, the reason we are talking about Iran at the moment*** is because a man is insecure and jealous of his predecessor, which is why, unlike any president before him, he can't stop mentioning the man that went before him.

Lets get really real. the reason we are talking about Iran, is they (via proxy militia) attacked and set fire to a US embassy. That doesnt happen & Soliemani is still alive.

Which all goes back to a man wanting to break another's legacy, by going back an a deal and imposing sanctions.

 

[Ponyo]

No need to explain, professor @Glenn5150

"Shortly after the Nazis came to power, the Hungarian government, led by Miklós Horthy, built an alliance with Nazi Germany. Following Germany’s occupation of Austria and then Czechoslovakia, Hungary regained territorial gains which they had lost after the First World War. This combined with a rise in sympathy for fascism and Nazi ideas in Hungary, encouraged the country to join the Axis Alliance in November 1940.

In line with the Nazis policies towards Jews, in 1941 the Hungarian government deported approximately 20,000 non-Hungarian Jews to Ukraine, where they were murdered by the Einsatzgruppen.

However, until 1944, the Hungarian government refused to deport Hungarian Jews, despite the range of brutal antisemitic laws they enacted.

When it became clear that the Nazis would not emerge from the war victorious, the Hungarian government attempted to pull out of the alliance with Germany, and sought an armistice with the Allies.

In response, in March 1944, Germany invaded and occupied Hungary. The Nazis set up a new government loyal to Germany.

Miklós Horthy did not resign under the German occupation of Hungary, but instead helped to appoint a new government who were more submissive to the Nazis demands.

Adolf Eichmann was deployed to Hungary on the 19 March 1944 to carry out the extermination of its Jewish population. Eichmann aimed to deport more than 800,000 people to the camps in the east. Despite the likelihood of defeat in the war by this stage, genocide was still a priority for the Nazis. Arriving with just a few German staff, Eichmann was reliant on the collaboration of the Hungarian authorities to achieve this aim. The Hungarian authorities cooperated enthusiastically with Eichmann’s plans.

In little over two months, over 200 camps and ghettos were created and filled with the Jewish population.

437,402 Hungarian Jews were deported in 56 days between May and July 1944, primarily to Auschwitz, where almost all of them were murdered."

 

[Tiger5150]

***Let's get real here, the reason we are talking about Iran at the moment*** is because a man is insecure and jealous of his predecessor, which is why, unlike any president before him, he can't stop mentioning the man that went before him.

Lets get really real. the reason we are talking about Iran, is they (via proxy militia) attacked and set fire to a US embassy. That doesnt happen & Soliemani is still alive.

Which all goes back to a man wanting to break another's legacy, by going back an a deal and imposing sanctions.

I have a differing view and obviously disagree with the simplistic scenario you paint. Suffice to say I think the Obama deal was the worst attempt at appeasement since Chamberlain. Delivering $1.8B on pallets isnt the way.

Im not really interested in getting into a debate with you about this though which is no reflection on you and your capacity to express your opinion civilly, it is more that I see issues such as this as like a rorschach test whereby if you dislike Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon you will always see the inkblot one way, those that like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, will see another, always. Im in the middle.

All the discussion here has been wether Iran are the bad guys or whether Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon/US are the bad guys. It isnt binary. Both can be and are true. Im not interested in this binary discussion.

 

[happy_tiger]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. ****It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.**
>**
To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

This.

Case in point East India Co.

I am reading a book at the moment about India and the East India company by Shashi Tharoor it is called Inglorious Empire and it is a compelling read about how India became a british colony by blatant robbery and underhand tactics.
It is a real eye opener to see how disgusting the tactics were in creating the british empire

Makes what Mahatma Gandhi was able to achieve even more amazing

He fought everyone , dealt with the class issues both within the British and Indians and the religious difference within India

My favourite book which deals with political persecution is the James A Michener Bridge at Andau which talks about the story of the Hungarians turning away from Communism and then fighting against Communism in 1956

Give me a drop of Hungarian blood any day thanks

Americans look pretty bad in this situation as well

Yeah don't mess with the Hungarians!

Too think they took out around 500 Russian Tanks with their bare hands and ingenuity is just thought provoking

And people forget they were one of the top sides in world soccer and water polo and lost a whole generation of sportsmen

Austrio-Hungarians sucked though
Nazi collaborators & imperialists


They werent Nazi collaborators. The Austro Hungarian empire didnt exist when the Nazi's existed.

You're absolutely right Glenn, Austrio-Hungarians were the imperialists and the Hungarians were the facist Nazi collaborators.


Im absolutely right that the AustroHungarian empire didnt exist at the time of the Nazi's but you have the rest of it totally wrong. The Austrians lost all of their empire outside of Austria. The Hungarians were not Nazi collaborators, they were "anyone but Russia" collaborators and were isolated. Mate I know you butt heads with me out of sport, but this is a topic I have first hand knowledge on.

Hungarians really were convinced by the Russians they'd be allowed to a socialist state

But the Americans were the real issue .....you can't go letter bombing a country telling them to drop Communism and then when they do offer no help whatsoever ..the world abandoned them with them screaming SOS for help from anyone

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. ****It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.**
>**
To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

This.

Case in point East India Co.

I am reading a book at the moment about India and the East India company by Shashi Tharoor it is called Inglorious Empire and it is a compelling read about how India became a british colony by blatant robbery and underhand tactics.
It is a real eye opener to see how disgusting the tactics were in creating the british empire

Makes what Mahatma Gandhi was able to achieve even more amazing

He fought everyone , dealt with the class issues both within the British and Indians and the religious difference within India

My favourite book which deals with political persecution is the James A Michener Bridge at Andau which talks about the story of the Hungarians turning away from Communism and then fighting against Communism in 1956

Give me a drop of Hungarian blood any day thanks

Americans look pretty bad in this situation as well

Yeah don't mess with the Hungarians!

Too think they took out around 500 Russian Tanks with their bare hands and ingenuity is just thought provoking

And people forget they were one of the top sides in world soccer and water polo and lost a whole generation of sportsmen

We got a brilliant football commentator out of them.

They sound like the Fins. I remember reading about the Finnish sniper who killed some 500 Red army soldiers. Shot in the face and survived.

 

[happy_tiger]

Good to see so many people backing the butchers who have been funding ANY terrorist group that targets the west over our biggest ally.
Way to go.... suppose we won’t be counting on you if they ever choose to attack us - just blame the Yanks.

Don’t question the victim mentality. The only reason they resorted to, and continue to sponsor terrorism, is the colonial oppression they have suffered at the hands of the West. ****It is a common trait of recently independent countries like India and others.**
>**
To hold this belief, you need to put the blinkers on and ignore acts against neighbours that follow a different sect within a particular religion.

This.

Case in point East India Co.

I am reading a book at the moment about India and the East India company by Shashi Tharoor it is called Inglorious Empire and it is a compelling read about how India became a british colony by blatant robbery and underhand tactics.
It is a real eye opener to see how disgusting the tactics were in creating the british empire

Makes what Mahatma Gandhi was able to achieve even more amazing

He fought everyone , dealt with the class issues both within the British and Indians and the religious difference within India

My favourite book which deals with political persecution is the James A Michener Bridge at Andau which talks about the story of the Hungarians turning away from Communism and then fighting against Communism in 1956

Give me a drop of Hungarian blood any day thanks

Americans look pretty bad in this situation as well

Yeah don't mess with the Hungarians!

Too think they took out around 500 Russian Tanks with their bare hands and ingenuity is just thought provoking

And people forget they were one of the top sides in world soccer and water polo and lost a whole generation of sportsmen

We got a brilliant football commentator out of them.

They sound like the Fins. I remember reading about the Finnish sniper who killed some 500 Red army soldiers. Shot in the face and survived.

I guess what probably angered the Russians the most would have been the heart of Communism , Csepel Island was where the last stand of the Hungarian Revolution finished

They were getting unloaded on from the Russian heavy artillery on the banks of the Danube and the Tanks on the Island itself with no arms bar rifles and some machine guns

 

[newtiger]

***Let's get real here, the reason we are talking about Iran at the moment*** is because a man is insecure and jealous of his predecessor, which is why, unlike any president before him, he can't stop mentioning the man that went before him.

Lets get really real. the reason we are talking about Iran, is they (via proxy militia) attacked and set fire to a US embassy. That doesnt happen & Soliemani is still alive.

Which all goes back to a man wanting to break another's legacy, by going back an a deal and imposing sanctions.


I have a differing view and obviously disagree with the simplistic scenario you paint. Suffice to say I think the Obama deal was the worst attempt at appeasement since Chamberlain. Delivering $1.8B on pallets isnt the way.

Im not really interested in getting into a debate with you about this though which is no reflection on you and your capacity to express your opinion civilly, it is more that I see issues such as this as like a rorschach test whereby if you dislike Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon you will always see the inkblot one way, those that like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, will see another, always. Im in the middle.

All the discussion here has been 'wether' Iran are the bad guys or whether Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon/US are the bad guys. It isnt binary. Both can be and are true. Im not interested in this binary discussion.

A castrated lamb!

 

[TillLindemann]

***Let's get real here, the reason we are talking about Iran at the moment*** is because a man is insecure and jealous of his predecessor, which is why, unlike any president before him, he can't stop mentioning the man that went before him.

Lets get really real. the reason we are talking about Iran, is they (via proxy militia) attacked and set fire to a US embassy. That doesnt happen & Soliemani is still alive.

An Iranian backed militia may have set fire to the US embassy in Iraq. But the US set fire to the whole of Iraq, in an invasion based on lies about WMDs. Which is worse?