Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Cultured_Bogan]

jadtiger

Should ask @jadtiger. They seem to like to throw the thinly veiled slurs around. jadtiger gets the same reply they give.

I was replying to you both?

 

[fair dinkum]

Lib Dems

Nah, Leyonhjelm quit, no one colourful there anymore.

 

[BirchgroveTigers]

Both parties tax very similar amounts (in fact the Howard government is the highest taxing government recently)- the difference is mostly who they tax and how much 

 

[fair dinkum]

No wonder this country is in the toilet, everyone is more focused on what the Yanks are up to.

Id struggle to name 5 Aussie politicians. Theres Slo Mo and Abalone or something is the Commie leader, I think theres a Wong in there and is Hinch still a thing? Pauline probably has the biggest name recognition in Australian politics and theres the man hater Hanson-Young. Hard pressed to think of any others. Natasha Stott Despoja still around? dunno, dont care. Aussie politics is about as boring and meaningless as a Cronulla vs Warriors game.

Another apathetic voter. Excellent.

Just dont vote left, its the sensible position to always take.

Yeah because the last seven years under the LNP have been remarkable.

Id prefer a sarcastic remarkable over a would have been devastating last 7 years of an ALP government.

Yeah it would have been devastating. Funding for education and health, introduction of post fossil fuel energy generation. What an absolute tragedy.

National debt has spun out of control despite the "better economic manager" tagline that get trotted out every election and all they can manage is a "but Labor." Abolition of the CPRS was meant to creat cheaper power but everyone's electricity bills are skyrocketing. The LNP bleat about subsidies for renewables but advocate subsiding coal every step of the way. They are turning into a big business protectorate and advocate for corporate welfare over social.

The ALP need to not get drawn into identity politics and focus on clear and simple policy. They tried to go too hard last election and they cooked it.

That's not to say I haven't voted right before either.

Aussie politics is about as stimulating as attending a year 6 parent teacher night ..
“ can I wait in the car” ?

Or as pleasing as a visit from the mother in-law............nah, pass thanks

 

[fair dinkum]

Both parties tax very similar amounts (in fact the Howard government is the highest taxing government recently)- the difference is mostly who they tax and how much 

All that graph does is reinforce the thought the coalition has done a great job keeping the tax rates steady, if the ALP was in the last 7 years the red lines would be off the charts by some magnitude.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Wow, that's an impressive display of cognitive bias there.

 

[fair dinkum]

You dont need to google words to puff out the reply. A simple statement of thats biased would have done. And youd be correct, isnt that how most people vote? "Vote blue no matter who" etc You havent revealed some hard hitting gottcha moment, although i suspect you think you have. 😢

 

[colinbh]

If the dems rig the system to give Bloomberg the nomination, which I think they will, do you really think that the Sanders supporters will give their vote to him?

No way, they will stay away or give their vote to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. If that happens, the president wins again.

If Sanders is the nominee, there is no way that the yanks will vote in a socialist. The president will win again.

If Bloomberg goes with crooked Hillary as his running mate, they would have as much chance of winning as me. Another win for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon.

Get some facts before regurgitating right wing propaganda. Hillary won’t be his running mate.

What is it about the word “ If “ you don’t understand.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You dont need to google words to puff out the reply. A simple statement of thats biased would have done. And youd be correct, isnt that how most people vote? "Vote blue no matter who" etc You havent revealed some hard hitting gottcha moment, although i suspect you think you have. 😢

Not really, I'd wager there's a large base of swinging voters, hence why both parties seem to get a bite of the cherry, otherwise one party would almost exclusively hold power. Granted, the last two and a bit decades shows the LNP holding the large chunk of government, but a few of those elections, especially recently, have been close.

And I don't need to Google words mate, I had a pretty good education. Thanks public education!

 

[fair dinkum]

You dont need to google words to puff out the reply. A simple statement of thats biased would have done. And youd be correct, isnt that how most people vote? "Vote blue no matter who" etc You havent revealed some hard hitting gottcha moment, although i suspect you think you have. ?

Not really, I'd wager there's a large base of swinging voters, hence why both parties seem to get a bite of the cherry, otherwise one party would almost exclusively hold power. Granted, the last two and a bit decades shows the LNP holding the large chunk of government, but a few of those elections, especially recently, have been close.

And I don't need to Google words mate, I had a pretty good education. Thanks public education!

So in the same paragraph you refute your own argument. So there is a large base of swing voters and the LNP has been holding government and elections have recently been close or is there a large swing voter base or has the LNP held government for a large chunk of time or has it been close or is there a large swing voter base, but yet again LNP has held government for a while but its also close, so is there a large base of swing voters, or has it been close, however there is a large base of swing voters but its also close and the LNP has held power for large chunks of time but there's also a large base of swing voters.

And just a bog standard level of public education then.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You dont need to google words to puff out the reply. A simple statement of thats biased would have done. And youd be correct, isnt that how most people vote? "Vote blue no matter who" etc You havent revealed some hard hitting gottcha moment, although i suspect you think you have. ?

Not really, I'd wager there's a large base of swinging voters, hence why both parties seem to get a bite of the cherry, otherwise one party would almost exclusively hold power. Granted, the last two and a bit decades shows the LNP holding the large chunk of government, but a few of those elections, especially recently, have been close.

And I don't need to Google words mate, I had a pretty good education. Thanks public education!

So in the same paragraph you refute your own argument. So there is a large base of swing voters and the LNP has been holding government and elections have recently been close or is there a large swing voter base or has the LNP held government for a large chunk of time or has it been close or is there a large swing voter base, but yet again LNP has held government for a while but its also close, so is there a large base of swing voters, or has it been close, however there is a large base of swing voters but its also close and the LNP has held power for large chunks of time but there's also a large base of swing voters.

And just a bog standard level of public education then.

It can be both. And I cherry picked an arbitrary amount of time as it is most recent. If you go from 1985 to 2015, the ALP held majority of power, and it shifted away, didn't it?

 

[fair dinkum]

You dont need to google words to puff out the reply. A simple statement of thats biased would have done. And youd be correct, isnt that how most people vote? "Vote blue no matter who" etc You havent revealed some hard hitting gottcha moment, although i suspect you think you have. ?

Not really, I'd wager there's a large base of swinging voters, hence why both parties seem to get a bite of the cherry, otherwise one party would almost exclusively hold power. Granted, the last two and a bit decades shows the LNP holding the large chunk of government, but a few of those elections, especially recently, have been close.

And I don't need to Google words mate, I had a pretty good education. Thanks public education!

So in the same paragraph you refute your own argument. So there is a large base of swing voters and the LNP has been holding government and elections have recently been close or is there a large swing voter base or has the LNP held government for a large chunk of time or has it been close or is there a large swing voter base, but yet again LNP has held government for a while but its also close, so is there a large base of swing voters, or has it been close, however there is a large base of swing voters but its also close and the LNP has held power for large chunks of time but there's also a large base of swing voters.

And just a bog standard level of public education then.

It can be both. And I cherry picked an arbitrary amount of time as it is most recent. If you go from 1985 to 2015, the ALP held majority of power, and it shifted away, didn't it?

So lets go back 3 decades, is it generational or is there a large base of swing voters that you refute one sentence later?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You dont need to google words to puff out the reply. A simple statement of thats biased would have done. And youd be correct, isnt that how most people vote? "Vote blue no matter who" etc You havent revealed some hard hitting gottcha moment, although i suspect you think you have. ?

Not really, I'd wager there's a large base of swinging voters, hence why both parties seem to get a bite of the cherry, otherwise one party would almost exclusively hold power. Granted, the last two and a bit decades shows the LNP holding the large chunk of government, but a few of those elections, especially recently, have been close.

And I don't need to Google words mate, I had a pretty good education. Thanks public education!

So in the same paragraph you refute your own argument. So there is a large base of swing voters and the LNP has been holding government and elections have recently been close or is there a large swing voter base or has the LNP held government for a large chunk of time or has it been close or is there a large swing voter base, but yet again LNP has held government for a while but its also close, so is there a large base of swing voters, or has it been close, however there is a large base of swing voters but its also close and the LNP has held power for large chunks of time but there's also a large base of swing voters.

And just a bog standard level of public education then.

It can be both. And I cherry picked an arbitrary amount of time as it is most recent. If you go from 1985 to 2015, the ALP held majority of power, and it shifted away, didn't it?

So lets go back 3 decades, is it generational or is there a large base of swing voters that you refute one sentence later?

The LNP had a 11 year tenure of power between the ALP holding 13 years and and 6 years either side. Is that generational? Howard was a popular prime minister and experienced a 5.4% swing to lose. Where did those voters come from? They're not generational Labor voters if the LNP held power for over a decade. Same as six years later when the LNP returned to power with a 3.6% swing.

 

[BirchgroveTigers]

LNP have won approx. 65% of elections since WWII. Australia is a naturally conservative country, though in a predominately two party system the other side is always going to win every so often. To be honest, I think the Hawke/Keating years were mostly the result of Hawke's popularity. No other Labor government has ever come close to 13 years

 

[Harvey]

Given the current doctrines of the education system, LNP will likely need to change tack or face an extended period in opposition.

Many kids come out of school these days with very left leaning views.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Given the current doctrines of the education system, LNP will likely need to change tack or face an extended period in opposition.

Many kids come out of school these days with very left leaning views.

Not necessarily sure about that. I think kids generally leave school as left leaning but that all changes once they start paying tax, especially if they wind up as low income earners.

 

[TrueTiger]

Given the current doctrines of the education system, LNP will likely need to change tack or face an extended period in opposition.

Many kids come out of school these days with very left leaning views.

Not necessarily sure about that. I think kids generally leave school as left leaning but that all changes once they start paying tax, especially if they wind up as low income earners.

Also CB,when kids leave school and are old enough to vote,the usual trend is if mum and dad voted LNP they usually follow,same as if mum and dad voted Labour they would follow..
It starts to turn once the kids get into the workforce and into relationships that they start to form their own opinions and what party suits their own agenda..

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Given the current doctrines of the education system, LNP will likely need to change tack or face an extended period in opposition.

Many kids come out of school these days with very left leaning views.

Not necessarily sure about that. I think kids generally leave school as left leaning but that all changes once they start paying tax, especially if they wind up as low income earners.

Also CB,when kids leave school and are old enough to vote,the usual trend is if mum and dad voted LNP they usually follow,same as if mum and dad voted Labour they would follow..
It starts to turn once the kids get into the workforce and into relationships that they start to form their own opinions and what party suits their own agenda..

That's true also. My mother generally voted Labor and dad was a Shooters and Fishers. I've voted for numerous parties over the years, including the Libs and Labor.

 

[Masterton]

You dont need to google words to puff out the reply.

If you think he had to google that, you got problems.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You dont need to google words to puff out the reply.

If you think he had to google that, you got problems.

How do you Google a thought process you already have to ascertain what the term is?