Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Cultured_Bogan]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.
. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

So it's anecdotal. Got ya.

I am in no doubt that it happens. If it was so prevalent it would be spoken about a lot more than it is, and the laws in regard to access to welfare by migrants would have been changed. We've had a conservative federal government for seven years, and it doesn't appear they've done much to change things.

CB, I'm not quoting some report. It's what I've seen with my own eyes. It's grown men drinking coffee all day every day in the shops. It's grown men saying " why should I work when the dole is only a little bit less ?
It's tenants breaking leases by not paying rent, having been advised by their religious group's advisory board of all the hoops the landlord has to jump through before he can evict.
Which Gov't will have the balls to make welfare harder for these ? The bleeding hearts will shoot them down in a flash.
CB, it seems that you live in a rural area. If they come to your area with the will to work, I can see why you doubt what I say.
Believe me, it's much different in the city.
If only half of them worked, volunteered and paid taxes, we'd all be happy with that. And out of all of that, the volunteering is the part that garners my respect the most.

Mate I grew up in a couple of multicultural areas. I come from a multicultural family. And the area I've spent most of the last half decade is increasingly becoming multicultural and has a lot of tourism.

As I said, we have had a conservative government for 2 and a half terms now and 2 and of those terms they have held both houses. If it was that rife they would have done something about it. If they are prepared to deport a family that worked, paid taxes and integrated in the community they would have no qualms upsetting the "bleeding hearts" and tightening up welfare laws if rorting was as widespread as you say it is, especially with a massive budget deficit due over the coming years.

I'm relatively leftist, the country is lurching to the right as a whole, and the system is currently positioned for a conservative government to make easy changes without upsetting the electorate too much (you'll find a lot of old school Labor voters are not particularly pro-migration either.) There is no risk of upsetting a large contingent of the voter base with welfare law changes for migrants. I myself would not even be opposed to it.

 

[Geo]

There is as many dodgy Aussies ..I know in my family a member decided to leave a job because the amount they could get under the various covid payment they earn't more playing the playstation than making burgers..

 

[Harvey]


 

[Tiger5150]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.

Yeah, but they also lied to try to get in, have never qualified as refugees and have been offered safe passage back to Sri Lanka where they have been guaranteed safety by the Sri Lankan Govt. Ok you can say she worked in St Vinnies and he did his best, but I have close friends who were here on VALID visas, she has an MBA, he is a Doctor, both adding to Aus economy, both paying TOP DOLLAR for their kids to attend public schools . European nationality. They were denied recently denied residency and were deported, meanwhile we can never get enough Uber drivers or 7/11 workers.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.


Yeah, but they also lied to try to get in, have never qualified as refugees and have been offered safe passage back to Sri Lanka where they have been guaranteed safety by the Sri Lankan Govt. Ok you can say she worked in St Vinnies and he did his best, but I have close friends who were here on VALID visas, she has an MBA, he is a Doctor, both adding to Aus economy, both paying TOP DOLLAR for their kids to attend public schools . European nationality. They were denied recently denied residency and were deported, meanwhile we can never get enough Uber drivers or 7/11 workers.

My understanding was that they were given bridging visas, so at one point they were allowed to be here. They are Tamil and fear retribution from the Sri Lankan government.

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.
. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

So it's anecdotal. Got ya.

I am in no doubt that it happens. If it was so prevalent it would be spoken about a lot more than it is, and the laws in regard to access to welfare by migrants would have been changed. We've had a conservative federal government for seven years, and it doesn't appear they've done much to change things.

CB, I'm not quoting some report. It's what I've seen with my own eyes. It's grown men drinking coffee all day every day in the shops. It's grown men saying " why should I work when the dole is only a little bit less ?
It's tenants breaking leases by not paying rent, having been advised by their religious group's advisory board of all the hoops the landlord has to jump through before he can evict.
Which Gov't will have the balls to make welfare harder for these ? The bleeding hearts will shoot them down in a flash.
CB, it seems that you live in a rural area. If they come to your area with the will to work, I can see why you doubt what I say.
Believe me, it's much different in the city.
If only half of them worked, volunteered and paid taxes, we'd all be happy with that. And out of all of that, the volunteering is the part that garners my respect the most.

Mate I grew up in a couple of multicultural areas. I come from a multicultural family. And the area I've spent most of the last half decade is increasingly becoming multicultural and has a lot of tourism.

As I said, we have had a conservative government for 2 and a half terms now and 2 and of those terms they have held both houses. If it was that rife they would have done something about it. If they are prepared to deport a family that worked, paid taxes and integrated in the community they would have no qualms upsetting the "bleeding hearts" and tightening up welfare laws if rorting was as widespread as you say it is, especially with a massive budget deficit due over the coming years.

I'm relatively leftist, ***the country is lurching to the right as a whole,*** and the system is currently positioned for a conservative government to make easy changes without upsetting the electorate too much (you'll find a lot of old school Labor voters are not particularly pro-migration either.) There is no risk of upsetting a large contingent of the voter base with welfare law changes for migrants. I myself would not even be opposed to it.

. . . A pleasure to be able to have a civilised conversation with you.
But your comment about the country lurching to the right absolutely amazes me. It is falling so far left that we will soon fall off the left edge. I would love to hear your reasoning as to how we are even 60/40 to the right.

 

[Papacito]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.
. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

So it's anecdotal. Got ya.

I am in no doubt that it happens. If it was so prevalent it would be spoken about a lot more than it is, and the laws in regard to access to welfare by migrants would have been changed. We've had a conservative federal government for seven years, and it doesn't appear they've done much to change things.

It's not spoken about ( as you wonder )because the leftie's will tear you a new one for expressing opinions that differ to theirs. Just in the last few replies, some moron wanted a poster to remain childless so his bloodlines dry up. Some other tool likened my post to the resultant flies and maggots that come from such opinions. That's why it's not spoken about more than what it is . . .
CB, I'm not quoting some report written by someone who is 5000kms away and has no idea. It's what I've seen with my own eyes.
It's grown men drinking coffee all day every day in the shops. It's grown men saying " why should I work when the dole is only a little bit less ?
It's tenants breaking leases by not paying rent, having been advised by their religious group's advisory board of all the hoops the landlord has to jump through before he can evict.
Which Gov't will have the balls to make welfare harder for these ? The bleeding hearts will shoot them down in a flash.
CB, it seems that you live in a rural area. If they come to your area with the will to work, I can see why you doubt what I say.
Believe me, it's much different in the city.

***> If only half of them worked, volunteered and paid taxes, we'd all be happy with that. And out of all of that, the volunteering is the part that garners my respect the most.***

You're saying that half of all migrants don't work and pay taxes?

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]


No, see here's the thing.
The ones I'm pointing out DO NOT WANT TO WORK . . . HENCE TOOK NOBODIES JOBS.
Pretty simple, and I thought it'd be easy enough to keep up.

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.
. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

So it's anecdotal. Got ya.

I am in no doubt that it happens. If it was so prevalent it would be spoken about a lot more than it is, and the laws in regard to access to welfare by migrants would have been changed. We've had a conservative federal government for seven years, and it doesn't appear they've done much to change things.

It's not spoken about ( as you wonder )because the leftie's will tear you a new one for expressing opinions that differ to theirs. Just in the last few replies, some moron wanted a poster to remain childless so his bloodlines dry up. Some other tool likened my post to the resultant flies and maggots that come from such opinions. That's why it's not spoken about more than what it is . . .
CB, I'm not quoting some report written by someone who is 5000kms away and has no idea. It's what I've seen with my own eyes.
It's grown men drinking coffee all day every day in the shops. It's grown men saying " why should I work when the dole is only a little bit less ?
It's tenants breaking leases by not paying rent, having been advised by their religious group's advisory board of all the hoops the landlord has to jump through before he can evict.
Which Gov't will have the balls to make welfare harder for these ? The bleeding hearts will shoot them down in a flash.
CB, it seems that you live in a rural area. If they come to your area with the will to work, I can see why you doubt what I say.
Believe me, it's much different in the city.
*** If only half of them worked, volunteered and paid taxes, we'd all be happy with that. And out of all of that, the volunteering is the part that garners my respect the most.***

You're saying that half of all migrants don't work and pay taxes?

. . Dear God, no. Migrants helped build this country. The migrants that came here after the war had a work ethic. They got sfa Gov't handouts. They had no clue as to what handouts they were entitled to. There was no "Italian/Greek/Polish welfare advisory groups. They worked hard, paid their way and assimilated. They had to, otherwise they'd be called wogs 20 times a day. If their entry application was refused, they just got on with it. Didn't pose with kids under a different religious banner to appease the bleeding hearts. Totally different to today.

 

[Tiger5150]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.


Yeah, but they also lied to try to get in, have never qualified as refugees and have been offered safe passage back to Sri Lanka where they have been guaranteed safety by the Sri Lankan Govt. Ok you can say she worked in St Vinnies and he did his best, but I have close friends who were here on VALID visas, she has an MBA, he is a Doctor, both adding to Aus economy, both paying TOP DOLLAR for their kids to attend public schools . European nationality. They were denied recently denied residency and were deported, meanwhile we can never get enough Uber drivers or 7/11 workers.

My understanding was that they were given bridging visas, so at one point they were allowed to be here. They are Tamil and fear retribution from the Sri Lankan government.

Bridging VISA bridges the period until they can have their case heard. Their case has been heard, they were found to not have a case at multiple hearings all the way up to the High Court (at who's expense?) the Sri Lankan govt has specifically guaranteed their safety.

The war ended in 2009. In Nades own words he joined the Tamil Tigers two years later. He was still safe in his country and was allowed by the government to travel freely including to work in Kuwait and Qatar between 2004 and 2010. They came separately on people smuggler boats. Had never met and met here in detention. At their hearing it was found that they were not truthful in their applications and are economic refugees.

There is flat out no evidence that they are refugees and plenty of evidence that they are not.

It is a simple case despite the publicity.

They want to live here, they would rather live here, so would approximately 3Billion people.

 

[the_third]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.


. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

Assimilate....wow. Not sure that’s how Australia has worked in regard to migration

 

[Papacito]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.
. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

So it's anecdotal. Got ya.

I am in no doubt that it happens. If it was so prevalent it would be spoken about a lot more than it is, and the laws in regard to access to welfare by migrants would have been changed. We've had a conservative federal government for seven years, and it doesn't appear they've done much to change things.

It's not spoken about ( as you wonder )because the leftie's will tear you a new one for expressing opinions that differ to theirs. Just in the last few replies, some moron wanted a poster to remain childless so his bloodlines dry up. Some other tool likened my post to the resultant flies and maggots that come from such opinions. That's why it's not spoken about more than what it is . . .
CB, I'm not quoting some report written by someone who is 5000kms away and has no idea. It's what I've seen with my own eyes.
It's grown men drinking coffee all day every day in the shops. It's grown men saying " why should I work when the dole is only a little bit less ?
It's tenants breaking leases by not paying rent, having been advised by their religious group's advisory board of all the hoops the landlord has to jump through before he can evict.
Which Gov't will have the balls to make welfare harder for these ? The bleeding hearts will shoot them down in a flash.
CB, it seems that you live in a rural area. If they come to your area with the will to work, I can see why you doubt what I say.
Believe me, it's much different in the city.
*** If only half of them worked, volunteered and paid taxes, we'd all be happy with that. And out of all of that, the volunteering is the part that garners my respect the most.***

You're saying that half of all migrants don't work and pay taxes?

. . Dear God, no. Migrants helped build this country. The migrants that came here after the war had a work ethic. They got sfa Gov't handouts. They had no clue as to what handouts they were entitled to. There was no "Italian/Greek/Polish welfare advisory groups. They worked hard, paid their way and assimilated. They had to, otherwise they'd be called wogs 20 times a day. If their entry application was refused, they just got on with it. Didn't pose with kids under a different religious banner to appease the bleeding hearts. Totally different to today.

In the 1950s, Southern Italians, Greeks and Maltese dealt with a lot more than being called 'wog' 20 times per day.

Many of the things you're saying above were labelled at them and are just a Google search away if you're genuinely interested.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.
. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

So it's anecdotal. Got ya.

I am in no doubt that it happens. If it was so prevalent it would be spoken about a lot more than it is, and the laws in regard to access to welfare by migrants would have been changed. We've had a conservative federal government for seven years, and it doesn't appear they've done much to change things.

CB, I'm not quoting some report. It's what I've seen with my own eyes. It's grown men drinking coffee all day every day in the shops. It's grown men saying " why should I work when the dole is only a little bit less ?
It's tenants breaking leases by not paying rent, having been advised by their religious group's advisory board of all the hoops the landlord has to jump through before he can evict.
Which Gov't will have the balls to make welfare harder for these ? The bleeding hearts will shoot them down in a flash.
CB, it seems that you live in a rural area. If they come to your area with the will to work, I can see why you doubt what I say.
Believe me, it's much different in the city.
If only half of them worked, volunteered and paid taxes, we'd all be happy with that. And out of all of that, the volunteering is the part that garners my respect the most.

Mate I grew up in a couple of multicultural areas. I come from a multicultural family. And the area I've spent most of the last half decade is increasingly becoming multicultural and has a lot of tourism.

As I said, we have had a conservative government for 2 and a half terms now and 2 and of those terms they have held both houses. If it was that rife they would have done something about it. If they are prepared to deport a family that worked, paid taxes and integrated in the community they would have no qualms upsetting the "bleeding hearts" and tightening up welfare laws if rorting was as widespread as you say it is, especially with a massive budget deficit due over the coming years.

I'm relatively leftist, ***the country is lurching to the right as a whole,*** and the system is currently positioned for a conservative government to make easy changes without upsetting the electorate too much (you'll find a lot of old school Labor voters are not particularly pro-migration either.) There is no risk of upsetting a large contingent of the voter base with welfare law changes for migrants. I myself would not even be opposed to it.

. . . A pleasure to be able to have a civilised conversation with you.
But your comment about the country lurching to the right absolutely amazes me. It is falling so far left that we will soon fall off the left edge. I would love to hear your reasoning as to how we are even 60/40 to the right.

I'm happy to have a civilised conversation with anyone who isn't going to nuke a conversation with uninformed bias (this isn't a shot at you, it's at another poster.)

The LNP should have lost the last election. They didn't. That means that in a country with compulsory voting the country voted for a right wing government. Labor got trashed in 2013. They held a majority in 2016.

That's where I gather the country is predominantly right wing.

 

[Tiger5150]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.


Yeah, but they also lied to try to get in, have never qualified as refugees and have been offered safe passage back to Sri Lanka where they have been guaranteed safety by the Sri Lankan Govt. Ok you can say she worked in St Vinnies and he did his best, but I have close friends who were here on VALID visas, she has an MBA, he is a Doctor, both adding to Aus economy, both paying TOP DOLLAR for their kids to attend public schools . European nationality. They were denied recently denied residency and were deported, meanwhile we can never get enough Uber drivers or 7/11 workers.

My understanding was that they were given bridging visas, so at one point they were allowed to be here. They are Tamil and fear retribution from the Sri Lankan government.


Bridging VISA bridges the period until they can have their case heard. Their case has been heard, they were found to not have a case at multiple hearings all the way up to the High Court (at who's expense?) the Sri Lankan govt has specifically guaranteed their safety.

The war ended in 2009. In Nades own words he joined the Tamil Tigers two years later. He was still safe in his country and was allowed by the government to travel freely including to work in Kuwait and Qatar between 2004 and 2010. They came separately on people smuggler boats. Had never met and met here in detention. At their hearing it was found that they were not truthful in their applications and are economic refugees.

There is flat out no evidence that they are refugees and plenty of evidence that they are not.

It is a simple case despite the publicity.

They want to live here, they would rather live here, so would approximately 3Billion people.

And that 3 billion would be diminishing quickly if any of them had the misfortune to read your rubbish. Maybe that's your point??

Thats cool. Specifically, which parts of my post are rubbish?

 

[happy_tiger]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.


Yeah, but they also lied to try to get in, have never qualified as refugees and have been offered safe passage back to Sri Lanka where they have been guaranteed safety by the Sri Lankan Govt. Ok you can say she worked in St Vinnies and he did his best, but I have close friends who were here on VALID visas, she has an MBA, he is a Doctor, both adding to Aus economy, both paying TOP DOLLAR for their kids to attend public schools . European nationality. They were denied recently denied residency and were deported, meanwhile we can never get enough Uber drivers or 7/11 workers.

My understanding was that they were given bridging visas, so at one point they were allowed to be here. They are Tamil and fear retribution from the Sri Lankan government.

The 3 I mentioned were all given bridging visas from memory ....I know I had to do a letter helping with that process ......

 

[cktiger]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

Well, let's hope you haven't had kids here @cktiger. The sooner your bloodlines dry up, the better for the rest of us who live in Australia.

I have no problems with refugees coming to Australia... and there are thousands waiting, legally , in camps to come here while others use rorts to take their spots.
No worries with my bloodline mate but the sooner softies like you see what’s really happening the better for Australia.

 

[cktiger]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

How’s Donald’s path to victory looking CK?

Typical weak arse non comment.

 

[Tim Sheens]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

This was a post regarding Jesus's teachings on his birth day and it's actionable requirements, aimed at supposed Christians not carrying out their faith and not all Christians, only select Pentecostal males. Particularly the one in the background that quoted to us “I am the Lord who exercises loving-kindness, justice and righteousness on Earth for I delight in these things, declares the Lord” during his maiden speech and clearly has no intention "to love the foreigner, the refugee and all people as if they were our own" that his religion espouses.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

How’s Donald’s path to victory looking CK?

Typical weak arse non comment.

Love you too mate ?