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[GNR4LIFE]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.
. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

So it's anecdotal. Got ya.

I am in no doubt that it happens. If it was so prevalent it would be spoken about a lot more than it is, and the laws in regard to access to welfare by migrants would have been changed. We've had a conservative federal government for seven years, and it doesn't appear they've done much to change things.

CB, I'm not quoting some report. It's what I've seen with my own eyes. It's grown men drinking coffee all day every day in the shops. It's grown men saying " why should I work when the dole is only a little bit less ?
It's tenants breaking leases by not paying rent, having been advised by their religious group's advisory board of all the hoops the landlord has to jump through before he can evict.
Which Gov't will have the balls to make welfare harder for these ? The bleeding hearts will shoot them down in a flash.
CB, it seems that you live in a rural area. If they come to your area with the will to work, I can see why you doubt what I say.
Believe me, it's much different in the city.
If only half of them worked, volunteered and paid taxes, we'd all be happy with that. And out of all of that, the volunteering is the part that garners my respect the most.

Mate I grew up in a couple of multicultural areas. I come from a multicultural family. And the area I've spent most of the last half decade is increasingly becoming multicultural and has a lot of tourism.

As I said, we have had a conservative government for 2 and a half terms now and 2 and of those terms they have held both houses. If it was that rife they would have done something about it. If they are prepared to deport a family that worked, paid taxes and integrated in the community they would have no qualms upsetting the "bleeding hearts" and tightening up welfare laws if rorting was as widespread as you say it is, especially with a massive budget deficit due over the coming years.

I'm relatively leftist, ***the country is lurching to the right as a whole,*** and the system is currently positioned for a conservative government to make easy changes without upsetting the electorate too much (you'll find a lot of old school Labor voters are not particularly pro-migration either.) There is no risk of upsetting a large contingent of the voter base with welfare law changes for migrants. I myself would not even be opposed to it.

. . . A pleasure to be able to have a civilised conversation with you.
But your comment about the country lurching to the right absolutely amazes me. It is falling so far left that we will soon fall off the left edge. I would love to hear your reasoning as to how we are even 60/40 to the right.

I'm happy to have a civilised conversation with anyone who isn't going to nuke a conversation with uninformed bias (this isn't a shot at you, it's at another poster.)

The LNP should have lost the last election. They didn't. That means that in a country with compulsory voting the country voted for a right wing government. Labor got trashed in 2013. They held a majority in 2016.

That's where I gather the country is predominantly right wing.

Burn

 

[GNR4LIFE]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.
. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

So it's anecdotal. Got ya.

I am in no doubt that it happens. If it was so prevalent it would be spoken about a lot more than it is, and the laws in regard to access to welfare by migrants would have been changed. We've had a conservative federal government for seven years, and it doesn't appear they've done much to change things.

CB, I'm not quoting some report. It's what I've seen with my own eyes. It's grown men drinking coffee all day every day in the shops. It's grown men saying " why should I work when the dole is only a little bit less ?
It's tenants breaking leases by not paying rent, having been advised by their religious group's advisory board of all the hoops the landlord has to jump through before he can evict.
Which Gov't will have the balls to make welfare harder for these ? The bleeding hearts will shoot them down in a flash.
CB, it seems that you live in a rural area. If they come to your area with the will to work, I can see why you doubt what I say.
Believe me, it's much different in the city.
If only half of them worked, volunteered and paid taxes, we'd all be happy with that. And out of all of that, the volunteering is the part that garners my respect the most.

Mate I grew up in a couple of multicultural areas. I come from a multicultural family. And the area I've spent most of the last half decade is increasingly becoming multicultural and has a lot of tourism.

As I said, we have had a conservative government for 2 and a half terms now and 2 and of those terms they have held both houses. If it was that rife they would have done something about it. If they are prepared to deport a family that worked, paid taxes and integrated in the community they would have no qualms upsetting the "bleeding hearts" and tightening up welfare laws if rorting was as widespread as you say it is, especially with a massive budget deficit due over the coming years.

I'm relatively leftist, ***the country is lurching to the right as a whole,*** and the system is currently positioned for a conservative government to make easy changes without upsetting the electorate too much (you'll find a lot of old school Labor voters are not particularly pro-migration either.) There is no risk of upsetting a large contingent of the voter base with welfare law changes for migrants. I myself would not even be opposed to it.

. . . A pleasure to be able to have a civilised conversation with you.
But your comment about the country lurching to the right absolutely amazes me. It is falling so far left that we will soon fall off the left edge. I would love to hear your reasoning as to how we are even 60/40 to the right.

This country has had a right wing government, 18 out of the last 24 years. But yeah, falling off the edge to the left. Cool story.

 

[TrueTiger]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.
. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

So it's anecdotal. Got ya.

I am in no doubt that it happens. If it was so prevalent it would be spoken about a lot more than it is, and the laws in regard to access to welfare by migrants would have been changed. We've had a conservative federal government for seven years, and it doesn't appear they've done much to change things.

It's not spoken about ( as you wonder )because the leftie's will tear you a new one for expressing opinions that differ to theirs. Just in the last few replies, some moron wanted a poster to remain childless so his bloodlines dry up. Some other tool likened my post to the resultant flies and maggots that come from such opinions. That's why it's not spoken about more than what it is . . .
CB, I'm not quoting some report written by someone who is 5000kms away and has no idea. It's what I've seen with my own eyes.
It's grown men drinking coffee all day every day in the shops. It's grown men saying " why should I work when the dole is only a little bit less ?
It's tenants breaking leases by not paying rent, having been advised by their religious group's advisory board of all the hoops the landlord has to jump through before he can evict.
Which Gov't will have the balls to make welfare harder for these ? The bleeding hearts will shoot them down in a flash.
CB, it seems that you live in a rural area. If they come to your area with the will to work, I can see why you doubt what I say.
Believe me, it's much different in the city.
*** If only half of them worked, volunteered and paid taxes, we'd all be happy with that. And out of all of that, the volunteering is the part that garners my respect the most.***

You're saying that half of all migrants don't work and pay taxes?

. . Dear God, no. Migrants helped build this country. The migrants that came here after the war had a work ethic. They got sfa Gov't handouts. They had no clue as to what handouts they were entitled to. There was no "Italian/Greek/Polish welfare advisory groups. They worked hard, paid their way and assimilated. They had to, otherwise they'd be called wogs 20 times a day. If their entry application was refused, they just got on with it. Didn't pose with kids under a different religious banner to appease the bleeding hearts. Totally different to today.

Mate Im going to have to interject here and give your post some credence...My mum and dad came here after ww2,dad was drafted into the Polish army at 17 yrs of age,he was thrown into the heavy transport division when the war started and fought along the Canadian paratrooper division..he went through euorope including France and Italy ,he escaped twice from trains heading to Siberia with 2 mates,he had shrapnell in his legs when the war was over,in the mean time he met Mum and they were married and came to Australia as immigrants on a ship in 1948,it was an 8 week voyage to get here...upon arrival they were sent to Bonnagilla,an immigration camp near Albury..this is where they were given a choice of where to work..
1..The Snowy Mountains hydro sheme
2.the cement and limestone works..
3.the railways..
Dad chose the railways and him and mum were transported to Marulan and from their they were seperated and mum had to come to Moss Vale where she worked as a cleaner and served in the refreshment rooms..
When dad came to visit he had to sleep in mens quarters and he and mum could only hold hands while he visited..
he spent months in a tent at Marulan and was given 1 meal a day and 2 pound 10 a week...they made a life over here and were naturalised 5 years sfter working a govt job...they did it tough so please spare me the sob stories about poor refugees that scam our govt welfare system...put in or get out is my motto...

 

[TrueTiger]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.
. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

So it's anecdotal. Got ya.

I am in no doubt that it happens. If it was so prevalent it would be spoken about a lot more than it is, and the laws in regard to access to welfare by migrants would have been changed. We've had a conservative federal government for seven years, and it doesn't appear they've done much to change things.

It's not spoken about ( as you wonder )because the leftie's will tear you a new one for expressing opinions that differ to theirs. Just in the last few replies, some moron wanted a poster to remain childless so his bloodlines dry up. Some other tool likened my post to the resultant flies and maggots that come from such opinions. That's why it's not spoken about more than what it is . . .
CB, I'm not quoting some report written by someone who is 5000kms away and has no idea. It's what I've seen with my own eyes.
It's grown men drinking coffee all day every day in the shops. It's grown men saying " why should I work when the dole is only a little bit less ?
It's tenants breaking leases by not paying rent, having been advised by their religious group's advisory board of all the hoops the landlord has to jump through before he can evict.
Which Gov't will have the balls to make welfare harder for these ? The bleeding hearts will shoot them down in a flash.
CB, it seems that you live in a rural area. If they come to your area with the will to work, I can see why you doubt what I say.
Believe me, it's much different in the city.
*** If only half of them worked, volunteered and paid taxes, we'd all be happy with that. And out of all of that, the volunteering is the part that garners my respect the most.***

You're saying that half of all migrants don't work and pay taxes?

. . Dear God, no. Migrants helped build this country. The migrants that came here after the war had a work ethic. They got sfa Gov't handouts. They had no clue as to what handouts they were entitled to. There was no "Italian/Greek/Polish welfare advisory groups. They worked hard, paid their way and assimilated. They had to, otherwise they'd be called wogs 20 times a day. If their entry application was refused, they just got on with it. Didn't pose with kids under a different religious banner to appease the bleeding hearts. Totally different to today.

Mate Im going to have to interject here and give your post some credence...My mum and dad came here after ww2,dad was drafted into the Polish army at 17 yrs of age,he was thrown into the heavy transport division when the war started and fought along the Canadian paratrooper division..he went through euorope including France and Italy ,he escaped twice from trains heading to Siberia with 2 mates,he had shrapnell in his legs when the war was over,in the mean time he met Mum and they were married and came to Australia as immigrants on a ship in 1948,it was an 8 week voyage to get here...upon arrival they were sent to Bonnagilla,an immigration camp near Albury..this is where they were given a choice of where to work..
1..The Snowy Mountains hydro sheme
2.the cement and limestone works..
3.the railways..
Dad chose the railways and him and mum were transported to Marulan and from their they were seperated and mum had to come to Moss Vale where she worked as a cleaner and served in the refreshment rooms..
When dad came to visit he had to sleep in mens quarters and he and mum could only hold hands while he visited..
he spent months in a tent at Marulan and was given 1 meal a day and 2 pound 10 a week...they made a life over here and were naturalised 5 years sfter working a govt job...they did it tough so please spare me the sob stories about poor refugees that scam our govt welfare system...put in or get out is my motto...

PS sorry about the long post...

 

[cktiger]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

Well, let's hope you haven't had kids here @cktiger. The sooner your bloodlines dry up, the better for the rest of us who live in Australia.

I have no problems with refugees coming to Australia... and there are thousands waiting, legally , in camps to come here while others use rorts to take their spots.
No worries with my bloodline mate but the sooner softies like you see what’s really happening the better for Australia.

Hmmmm....where to start? You may not have any "worries" with your bloodline by I sure as hell do if it means more ignorant and ill-informed people like you get any opportunity to spew forth their bile.

As for contemporary, informed and actively progressive Australia ....? It left you behind long ago, sunshine. The resolve and impact of "softies" is hardening quickly. But you're too blinkered to know it. Too bad.

Sticks and stones.
Typical of your type to personally attack someone with a different view.
Maybe you should do a little research on the ‘refugees’ you are so worried about.
Another poster put it all out there but you choose to be blind.
Wake up and smell the roses.

 

[TrueTiger]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

What many don't understand is many of the country towns in Qld when the contract work comes into towns like Biloela ....Gladstone ...Emerald ....Moranbah ...etc is that many companies can't find staff to run their businesses because they can't find staff ...you spend the time to train someone who comes into town and then the get on the contract work where they can earn twice as much work at your business ...


They are doing a massive service in our towns ...let them stay

Happy, it sounds like some of them are doing the right thing ( looking to support themselves and contribute to, and not drain, the economy that allowed them entry ) in your local town.
In the big smoke, the first port of call for many is not the employment office, it's the unemployment office.
They have a network of friends and do-gooder advisory services that explain to them every single right they have. Every single cent they can take from our Govt. There isn't a refugee responsibilities advisory service . . . just one to let them know what they can take. I see these day to day, and they all know what our Gov't will give them. I don't even know what half of these entitlements are.
So Happy, consider yourself lucky to see the group of these that want to work, and want to contribute and assimilate . . . I'm all for that !

I'm sure you have links to facts that back up those statements.

The Biloela family, old mate worked at the abbatoir and the wife was a volunteer with St. Vincent de Paul. They were not welfare bludgers. The contributed as taxpayers and members of their community.
. . . . CB, you would have to be extremely naive, or live in suburbs with zero immigration, to think that so many don't rort the system.
I know for fact of families that pretended to live apart so the wife could claim benefits . . . and this same woman traded under 2 names and so got 2 lots of dodgy payments.
So many come here, and before they get a suntan they know how to extract every cent from our Govt. From rent assistance to child endowment. They know all the lurks. You and I wouldn't know half of what we are "entitled" to. These guys know every single one of their rights, but don't feel the need to know any of their responsibilities.
The Biloela family you mention . . . you know that they are the exception to the rule. Well, maybe and hopefully not in Biloela. If they all worked, volunteered and paid taxes like old mate . . . we'd be in a lovely win win situation !
As I said, if they want to work, contribute and assimilate, ( like so many migrants before them ) then I'm all for it. But sadly . . . in my neck of the woods in suburbia . . . they don't take to work real quick when they know that our Govt will keep them, and however many offspring they feel like spawning. Much cheaper to have kids when someone else pays for their upkeep.

So it's anecdotal. Got ya.

I am in no doubt that it happens. If it was so prevalent it would be spoken about a lot more than it is, and the laws in regard to access to welfare by migrants would have been changed. We've had a conservative federal government for seven years, and it doesn't appear they've done much to change things.

It's not spoken about ( as you wonder )because the leftie's will tear you a new one for expressing opinions that differ to theirs. Just in the last few replies, some moron wanted a poster to remain childless so his bloodlines dry up. Some other tool likened my post to the resultant flies and maggots that come from such opinions. That's why it's not spoken about more than what it is . . .
CB, I'm not quoting some report written by someone who is 5000kms away and has no idea. It's what I've seen with my own eyes.
It's grown men drinking coffee all day every day in the shops. It's grown men saying " why should I work when the dole is only a little bit less ?
It's tenants breaking leases by not paying rent, having been advised by their religious group's advisory board of all the hoops the landlord has to jump through before he can evict.
Which Gov't will have the balls to make welfare harder for these ? The bleeding hearts will shoot them down in a flash.
CB, it seems that you live in a rural area. If they come to your area with the will to work, I can see why you doubt what I say.
Believe me, it's much different in the city.
*** If only half of them worked, volunteered and paid taxes, we'd all be happy with that. And out of all of that, the volunteering is the part that garners my respect the most.***

You're saying that half of all migrants don't work and pay taxes?

. . Dear God, no. Migrants helped build this country. The migrants that came here after the war had a work ethic. They got sfa Gov't handouts. They had no clue as to what handouts they were entitled to. There was no "Italian/Greek/Polish welfare advisory groups. They worked hard, paid their way and assimilated. They had to, otherwise they'd be called wogs 20 times a day. If their entry application was refused, they just got on with it. Didn't pose with kids under a different religious banner to appease the bleeding hearts. Totally different to today.

Mate Im going to have to interject here and give your post some credence...My mum and dad came here after ww2,dad was drafted into the Polish army at 17 yrs of age,he was thrown into the heavy transport division when the war started and fought along the Canadian paratrooper division..he went through euorope including France and Italy ,he escaped twice from trains heading to Siberia with 2 mates,he had shrapnell in his legs when the war was over,in the mean time he met Mum and they were married and came to Australia as immigrants on a ship in 1948,it was an 8 week voyage to get here...upon arrival they were sent to Bonnagilla,an immigration camp near Albury..this is where they were given a choice of where to work..
1..The Snowy Mountains hydro sheme
2.the cement and limestone works..
3.the railways..
Dad chose the railways and him and mum were transported to Marulan and from their they were seperated and mum had to come to Moss Vale where she worked as a cleaner and served in the refreshment rooms..
When dad came to visit he had to sleep in mens quarters and he and mum could only hold hands while he visited..
he spent months in a tent at Marulan and was given 1 meal a day and 2 pound 10 a week...they made a life over here and were naturalised 5 years sfter working a govt job...they did it tough so please spare me the sob stories about poor refugees that scam our govt welfare system...put in or get out is my motto...

PS sorry about the long post...

I just also want to say that both mum and dad once over here never had a chance to visit back home ...I wouldnt know a relation if I fell over them,however there is a lot of my surname in Canada so they also may have migrated there...

 

[sleeve]

In the 70s China was heavily involved in indoctrinating wharfies,i knew these guys.These were the days of AL?the immigration minister with the brown paper bag visa bringing in many through the back door.Unless you are naeive you must realise that China has and will continue to infilltrate our politcal parties.China is trying to rule the world through economic warfare and corruption.

 

[cktiger]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

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Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

Well, let's hope you haven't had kids here @cktiger. The sooner your bloodlines dry up, the better for the rest of us who live in Australia.

I have no problems with refugees coming to Australia... and there are thousands waiting, legally , in camps to come here while others use rorts to take their spots.
No worries with my bloodline mate but the sooner softies like you see what’s really happening the better for Australia.

Hmmmm....where to start? You may not have any "worries" with your bloodline by I sure as hell do if it means more ignorant and ill-informed people like you get any opportunity to spew forth their bile.

As for contemporary, informed and actively progressive Australia ....? It left you behind long ago, sunshine. The resolve and impact of "softies" is hardening quickly. But you're too blinkered to know it. Too bad.

Sticks and stones.
Typical of your type to personally attack someone with a different view.
Maybe you should do a little research on the ‘refugees’ you are so worried about.
Another poster put it all out there but you choose to be blind.
Wake up and smell the roses.

A couple of points:

I've worked with refugee families, individuals and organisations for 20+ years. I've done my research. What's your credentials, apart from listening to 2GB or watching Sky News?

I don't consider you as a "poster". More like an imposter on intelligent, reasoned and informed comment.

Spew forth @cktiger

So now I’m ‘spewing’ lol and get my info from 2GB or Sky (I listen to/ watch neither by the way)
No need for me to go into details as Tiger 5150 already did so in response to you and you just glossed over it. You belittled him the same as you are doing to me to hide from the facts.
Simply put they have been to court on numerous occasions and found NOT to be refugees.
Their children are NOT Australian as they are automatically given the same status as their parents.
Once again I am happy for refugees to come to our country but these people are taking the spots of those much more deserving.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Two months on from the election and not only is the conman in chief still disputing the election certified as the most secure in it's history, his lackeys and cowards in the Republican party have also conspired in breaking down the faith in their democratic institution and now bringing disrepute to both houses of government

But hey, it's cool as that is what we are told by these self proclaimed right wing patriots should be done, with even the vice president now welcoming their representatives moves to subvert the electoral and judicial systems in challenging the will of the many, including an additional 10 percent of voters that voted against their candidate.

Then there are these wonderful people that are just standing by and not to again bring hate and violence in the name of someone who's supporters try to pretend isn't or to not be racist. Yeah, these people are not white supremacists, they are just patriots that happen to be continually signalling that they're okay when rallying for their leader.

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[TillLindemann]

Two months on from the election and not only is the conman in chief still disputing the election certified as the most secure in it's history, his lackeys and cowards in the Republican party have also conspired in breaking down the faith in their democratic institution and now bringing disrepute to both houses of government

But hey, it's cool as that is what we are told by these self proclaimed right wing patriots should be done, with even the vice president now welcoming their representatives moves to subvert the electoral and judicial systems in challenging the will of the many, including an additional 10 percent of voters that voted against their candidate.

Then there are these wonderful people that are just standing by and not to again bring hate and violence in the name of someone who's supporters try to pretend isn't or not to be not racist. Yeah, these people are not white supremacists, they are just patriots that happen to be continually signalling that they're okay when rallying for their leader.

.
 

While on the other side, Antifa and anarchist extremists have been on the rampage in Portland and Seattle over the last few days, trashing and burning down businesses, attacking police, and threatening journalists with violence, with no condemnation from the incoming administration.

The left and the right are as bad as each other.

 

[TillLindemann]

Courageous Australian journalist Julian Assange will find out tomorrow if he will be extradited to the US, for the crime of publishing factual information about abuse of power, corruption, and criminal activity.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Two months on from the election and not only is the conman in chief still disputing the election certified as the most secure in it's history, his lackeys and cowards in the Republican party have also conspired in breaking down the faith in their democratic institution and now bringing disrepute to both houses of government

But hey, it's cool as that is what we are told by these self proclaimed right wing patriots should be done, with even the vice president now welcoming their representatives moves to subvert the electoral and judicial systems in challenging the will of the many, including an additional 10 percent of voters that voted against their candidate.

Then there are these wonderful people that are just standing by and not to again bring hate and violence in the name of someone who's supporters try to pretend isn't or not to be not racist. Yeah, these people are not white supremacists, they are just patriots that happen to be continually signalling that they're okay when rallying for their leader.

.
 

While on the other side, Antifa and anarchist extremists have been on the rampage in Portland and Seattle over the last few days, trashing and burning down businesses, attacking police, and threatening journalists with violence, with no condemnation from the incoming administration.

The left and the right are as bad as each other.

They will and rightly so be judged when they become the administration, but until then they have no official say in presidential matters and if they were acting in a manner similar to that of the current one I would be saying the same thing.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Courageous Australian journalist Julian Assange will find out tomorrow if he will be extradited to the US, for the crime of publishing factual information about abuse of power, corruption, and criminal activity.

One of the few issues that I could agree with George Christensen on, or Barnaby for that matter.

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

Two months on from the election and not only is the conman in chief still disputing the election certified as the most secure in it's history, his lackeys and cowards in the Republican party have also conspired in breaking down the faith in their democratic institution and now bringing disrepute to both houses of government

But hey, it's cool as that is what we are told by these self proclaimed right wing patriots should be done, with even the vice president now welcoming their representatives moves to subvert the electoral and judicial systems in challenging the will of the many, including an additional 10 percent of voters that voted against their candidate.

Then there are these wonderful people that are just standing by and not to again bring hate and violence in the name of someone who's supporters try to pretend isn't or to not be racist. Yeah, these people are not white supremacists, they are just patriots that happen to be continually signalling that they're okay when rallying for their leader.

.
 

. . . Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon carrying on, and these protesters STILL AREN'T NEARLY AS BAD as the disgusting behaviour of the woke left when Hillary lost to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Or do you forget ? It went on for months. Don't know how you could forget. And isn't it the left that are tolerant, and the right intolerant ?

 

[TillLindemann]

Two months on from the election and not only is the conman in chief still disputing the election certified as the most secure in it's history, his lackeys and cowards in the Republican party have also conspired in breaking down the faith in their democratic institution and now bringing disrepute to both houses of government

But hey, it's cool as that is what we are told by these self proclaimed right wing patriots should be done, with even the vice president now welcoming their representatives moves to subvert the electoral and judicial systems in challenging the will of the many, including an additional 10 percent of voters that voted against their candidate.

Then there are these wonderful people that are just standing by and not to again bring hate and violence in the name of someone who's supporters try to pretend isn't or to not be racist. Yeah, these people are not white supremacists, they are just patriots that happen to be continually signalling that they're okay when rallying for their leader.

.
 

. . . Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon carrying on, and these protesters STILL AREN'T NEARLY AS BAD as the disgusting behaviour of the woke left when Hillary lost to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Or do you forget ? It went on for months. Don't know how you could forget. And isn't it the left that are tolerant, and the right intolerant ?

It's just the continuation of a theme.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's supporters will spruik silly conspiracy theories about ballot fraud for the next 4 years, just as the other side spruiked silly conspiracy theories about Russia for the last 4 years.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Two months on from the election and not only is the conman in chief still disputing the election certified as the most secure in it's history, his lackeys and cowards in the Republican party have also conspired in breaking down the faith in their democratic institution and now bringing disrepute to both houses of government

But hey, it's cool as that is what we are told by these self proclaimed right wing patriots should be done, with even the vice president now welcoming their representatives moves to subvert the electoral and judicial systems in challenging the will of the many, including an additional 10 percent of voters that voted against their candidate.

Then there are these wonderful people that are just standing by and not to again bring hate and violence in the name of someone who's supporters try to pretend isn't or to not be racist. Yeah, these people are not white supremacists, they are just patriots that happen to be continually signalling that they're okay when rallying for their leader.

.
 

. . . Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon carrying on, and these protesters STILL AREN'T NEARLY AS BAD as the disgusting behaviour of the woke left when Hillary lost to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Or do you forget ? It went on for months. Don't know how you could forget. And isn't it the left that are tolerant, and the right intolerant ?

Calm down Stryker

 

[Tiger5150]

As we celebrate a day that our supposed Christian leader, with his Hillsong and Pentecostal allies that believe is the birth of our saviour, please remember that these terrible men that hide behind a veneer of Christianity voted in the last week of parliament to keep these two innocent Australian girls in custody for their 1026th day this Xmas, now being their third in this detention centre near Indonesia on the appropriately namesake of Christmas Island.

.

Poor buggers tried the old trick of having kids here to get all the softhearted sooks to let them stay - even though they are not entitled.
Too bad they don’t throw out the thousands of others who have done it and let deserving refugees come here.

Well, let's hope you haven't had kids here @cktiger. The sooner your bloodlines dry up, the better for the rest of us who live in Australia.

I have no problems with refugees coming to Australia... and there are thousands waiting, legally , in camps to come here while others use rorts to take their spots.
No worries with my bloodline mate but the sooner softies like you see what’s really happening the better for Australia.

Hmmmm....where to start? You may not have any "worries" with your bloodline by I sure as hell do if it means more ignorant and ill-informed people like you get any opportunity to spew forth their bile.

As for contemporary, informed and actively progressive Australia ....? It left you behind long ago, sunshine. The resolve and impact of "softies" is hardening quickly. But you're too blinkered to know it. Too bad.

Sticks and stones.
Typical of your type to personally attack someone with a different view.
Maybe you should do a little research on the ‘refugees’ you are so worried about.
Another poster put it all out there but you choose to be blind.
Wake up and smell the roses.

A couple of points:

I've worked with refugee families, individuals and organisations for 20+ years. I've done my research. What's your credentials, apart from listening to 2GB or watching Sky News?

I don't consider you as a "poster". More like an imposter on intelligent, reasoned and informed comment.

Spew forth @cktiger

So now I’m ‘spewing’ lol and get my info from 2GB or Sky (I listen to/ watch neither by the way)
No need for me to go into details as Tiger 5150 already did so in response to you and you just glossed over it. You belittled him the same as you are doing to me to hide from the facts.
Simply put they have been to court on numerous occasions and found NOT to be refugees.
Their children are NOT Australian as they are automatically given the same status as their parents.
Once again I am happy for refugees to come to our country but these people are taking the spots of those much more deserving.


Goodness me. @cktiger and @Tiger5150 take exception to my comments? I really need to work on being more racist, ill-informed and ignorant before I post, because they are obviously the standard by which other posters are measured?

I didnt take offense to your comments at all. In fact the opposite. I said that it was cool for you to have your opinion and then invited you to point out which part of my post was rubbish. You declined which was interesting.

 

[Tiger5150]

Two months on from the election and not only is the conman in chief still disputing the election certified as the most secure in it's history, his lackeys and cowards in the Republican party have also conspired in breaking down the faith in their democratic institution and now bringing disrepute to both houses of government

But hey, it's cool as that is what we are told by these self proclaimed right wing patriots should be done, with even the vice president now welcoming their representatives moves to subvert the electoral and judicial systems in challenging the will of the many, including an additional 10 percent of voters that voted against their candidate.

Then there are these wonderful people that are just standing by and not to again bring hate and violence in the name of someone who's supporters try to pretend isn't or not to be not racist. Yeah, these people are not white supremacists, they are just patriots that happen to be continually signalling that they're okay when rallying for their leader.

.
 

While on the other side, Antifa and anarchist extremists have been on the rampage in Portland and Seattle over the last few days, trashing and burning down businesses, attacking police, and threatening journalists with violence, with no condemnation from the incoming administration.

The left and the right are as bad as each other.

They will and rightly so be judged when they become the administration, but until then they have no official say in presidential matters and if they were acting in a manner similar to that of the current one I would be saying the same thing.

Antifa is going to become the administration? Did you just say the quiet part out loud?