Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[OzLuke]

On the plus side, now academics have labeled me a "non-birthing parent" and my wife a "gestational parent".....
Nothing like living in the enlightened all inclusive 2021.....


Seriously?!?!


*Academics at the nation’s top university have told staff to stop using the word “mother’’ and replace it with “gestational parent”, while a “father’’ should now be referred to as a “non-birthing parent” in order to deliver gender-inclusive education.

The Australian National University’s Gender Institute Handbook instructs tutors and lecturers to use terms like “chestfeeding’’ instead of breastfeeding and “human or parent’s milk’’ instead of the phrase “mother’s milk’*

This is what appears to be coming out of the National University

Where did you see it being mentioned by Australian academics? All articles I have seen refer to the UK and the Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals are the ones enacting these changes.

All the same, most folks on here would probably realise that I'm pretty socially progressive and recognise that anyone who has their children's best interests at heart should be able to be a parent but the oversanitising of language is ridiculous.

George Carlin has a great bit on the softening of language.

Parent-Inclusive Language
ANU celebrates diversity among its student body, and that
diversity extends to student parents. While many students will
identify as “mothers” or “fathers”, using these terms alone to
describe parenthood excludes those who do not identify with
gender-binaries.
Dinour notes that “heterosexual and woman-focused lactation
language [. . .] can misgender, isolate, and harm transmasculine
parents and non-heteronormative families” (2019, p.524). It is
therefore recommended to use the terms “breast/chest feeding”
and “human/parent’s milk”, rather than “breastfeeding” and
“mother’s milk” to describe lactation. When discussing childbirth,
use the terms “gestational” or “birthing” parent rather than
“mother”, and the terms “nongestational” or “nonbirthing” parent
rather than “father” (Dinour 2019, p.527).
This non-gendered language is particularly important in clinical or
abstract academic discussions of childbirth and parenthood,
both to recognise the identities of students in the class, and to
model inclusive behaviour for students entering clinical practice.
When working with student parents, defer to non-gendered
language until the student volunteers their preferred nomenclature

Taken from the ANU Gender Institute Handbook. I know that's what people study when they go to this particular institute, just interesting food for thought

 

[Nelson]

On the plus side, now academics have labeled me a "non-birthing parent" and my wife a "gestational parent".....
Nothing like living in the enlightened all inclusive 2021.....


Seriously?!?!


*Academics at the nation’s top university have told staff to stop using the word “mother’’ and replace it with “gestational parent”, while a “father’’ should now be referred to as a “non-birthing parent” in order to deliver gender-inclusive education.

The Australian National University’s Gender Institute Handbook instructs tutors and lecturers to use terms like “chestfeeding’’ instead of breastfeeding and “human or parent’s milk’’ instead of the phrase “mother’s milk’*

This is what appears to be coming out of the National University

Where did you see it being mentioned by Australian academics? All articles I have seen refer to the UK and the Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals are the ones enacting these changes.

All the same, most folks on here would probably realise that I'm pretty socially progressive and recognise that anyone who has their children's best interests at heart should be able to be a parent but the oversanitising of language is ridiculous.

George Carlin has a great bit on the softening of language.

It's in the ANU's Gender-Inclusive Handbook, as published by the ANU Gender Institute. It seems to be a Handbook prepared by people researching gender theory who are citing other research into gender theory, so it's not surprising that it makes these kinds of recommendations. It doesn't seem to have any status as a policy document that staff need to comply with.

 

[Tim Sheens]

On the plus side, now academics have labeled me a "non-birthing parent" and my wife a "gestational parent".....
Nothing like living in the enlightened all inclusive 2021.....


Seriously?!?!


*Academics at the nation’s top university have told staff to stop using the word “mother’’ and replace it with “gestational parent”, while a “father’’ should now be referred to as a “non-birthing parent” in order to deliver gender-inclusive education.

The Australian National University’s Gender Institute Handbook instructs tutors and lecturers to use terms like “chestfeeding’’ instead of breastfeeding and “human or parent’s milk’’ instead of the phrase “mother’s milk’*

This is what appears to be coming out of the National University

All for inclusion, but that is plain ridiculous.

So am I a snowflake for getting the impression that through their language that they are diminishing the simple concept of mother and father, for everyone that couldn't be happier to be a mother or father?

You will have to make your own determination on that, I just agreed that the language was ridiculous. As is the term "snowflake" for that matter, which I dismiss similarly to those alternatives of parental descriptions.

 

[Tiger5150]

On the plus side, now academics have labeled me a "non-birthing parent" and my wife a "gestational parent".....
Nothing like living in the enlightened all inclusive 2021.....


Seriously?!?!


*Academics at the nation’s top university have told staff to stop using the word “mother’’ and replace it with “gestational parent”, while a “father’’ should now be referred to as a “non-birthing parent” in order to deliver gender-inclusive education.

The Australian National University’s Gender Institute Handbook instructs tutors and lecturers to use terms like “chestfeeding’’ instead of breastfeeding and “human or parent’s milk’’ instead of the phrase “mother’s milk’*

This is what appears to be coming out of the National University

While changing breastfeeding to chestfeeding is of course ridiculous to begin with, it is made even more ridiculous by the fact that 'breast' is a non-gendered term to begin with. Both men and women have breasts under the dictionary definition of the term.

Most of this gender theory fanaticism is anti-scientific lunacy.

Its intentional, cultural marxism. 2 + 2 =5

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

On the plus side, now academics have labeled me a "non-birthing parent" and my wife a "gestational parent".....
Nothing like living in the enlightened all inclusive 2021.....


Seriously?!?!


*Academics at the nation’s top university have told staff to stop using the word “mother’’ and replace it with “gestational parent”, while a “father’’ should now be referred to as a “non-birthing parent” in order to deliver gender-inclusive education.

The Australian National University’s Gender Institute Handbook instructs tutors and lecturers to use terms like “chestfeeding’’ instead of breastfeeding and “human or parent’s milk’’ instead of the phrase “mother’s milk’*

This is what appears to be coming out of the National University

While changing breastfeeding to chestfeeding is of course ridiculous to begin with, it is made even more ridiculous by the fact that 'breast' is a non-gendered term to begin with. Both men and women have breasts under the dictionary definition of the term.

Most of this gender theory fanaticism is anti-scientific lunacy.

in other words, science denialism!

 

[OzLuke]

On the plus side, now academics have labeled me a "non-birthing parent" and my wife a "gestational parent".....
Nothing like living in the enlightened all inclusive 2021.....


Seriously?!?!


*Academics at the nation’s top university have told staff to stop using the word “mother’’ and replace it with “gestational parent”, while a “father’’ should now be referred to as a “non-birthing parent” in order to deliver gender-inclusive education.

The Australian National University’s Gender Institute Handbook instructs tutors and lecturers to use terms like “chestfeeding’’ instead of breastfeeding and “human or parent’s milk’’ instead of the phrase “mother’s milk’*

This is what appears to be coming out of the National University

While changing breastfeeding to chestfeeding is of course ridiculous to begin with, it is made even more ridiculous by the fact that 'breast' is a non-gendered term to begin with. Both men and women have breasts under the dictionary definition of the term.

Most of this gender theory fanaticism is anti-scientific lunacy.

in other words, science denialism!

that there are only two genders? remember when that was a thing??

 

[TillLindemann]

From the man who brought Edward Snowden to the world, and who has made a career out of battling misinformation, here is a good account of the factual inaccuracies and hysteria that continue to dominate reporting of the Capitol protest:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-false-and-exaggerated-claims

 

[TrueTiger]

From the man who brought Edward Snowden to the world, and who has made a career out of battling misinformation, here is a good account of the factual inaccuracies and hysteria that continue to dominate reporting of the Capitol protest:

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-false-and-exaggerated-claims

Thats a very good article,especially how the media can escalate situations that arent proven facts...

 

[dazza65]

It is therefore **recommended**

well I can tell you where stick your "recommendation".... and it doesn't matter what you identify as, every human (is this politically correct?) has one.

 

[Tiger5150]

This stuff is going to get worse and it wont end well.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

 

[TrueTiger]

This stuff is going to get worse and it wont end well.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

Where do they come up with this crap...Im white and never consider myself better than anyone else no matter their skin colour...
Our world is getting worse by the day ...some of these people do need a life and reality check..
My upbringing never taught me to be SUPERIOR to anyone,we are ALL born equal...to tell the truth I have no time for these type that all they do is create a divide...the way their going the divide gets wider...

 

[TillLindemann]

This stuff is going to get worse and it wont end well.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

People need to stand up to these crazies. They are peddling anti-white racism, pure and simple.
You get past racism by being colour-BLIND, but these people are colour-OBSESSED.

 

[TillLindemann]

to tell the truth I have no time for these type that all they do is create a divide

Agree 100%, they are creating division, not fixing it.

 

[Tim Sheens]

This stuff is going to get worse and it wont end well.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

People need to stand up to these crazies. They are peddling anti-white racism, pure and simple.
You get past racism by being colour-BLIND, but these people are colour-OBSESSED.

"Try to be less white" is certainly going to offend some and whilst I fully understand it's true meaning, think a rework would improve it's effectiveness in getting across to many.

This though in the photo from that link, I have little doubt that most at this age, particularly in countries such as the US would readily understand. The exposure and resultant cost in lives during this pandemic has put it front and centre for the ignorant amongst us.

There is white privilege and disingenuous for other than those at very low educational and/or socio-economic levels to pretend otherwise.


 

[Tiger5150]

This stuff is going to get worse and it wont end well.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

People need to stand up to these crazies. They are peddling anti-white racism, pure and simple.
You get past racism by being colour-BLIND, but these people are colour-OBSESSED.

"Try to be less white" is certainly going to offend some and whilst I fully understand it's true meaning, think a rework would improve it's effectiveness in getting across to many.

This though in the photo from that link, I have little doubt that most at this age, particularly in countries such as the US would readily understand. The exposure and resultant cost in lives during this pandemic has put it front and centre for the ignorant amongst us.

There is white privilege and disingenuous for other than those at very low educational and/or socio-economic levels to pretend otherwise.


Whilst I could argue against your point with regards to the photo you selected (I dont feel am inherently superior because I am white, neither do my kids, do you?), you have cherry picked this photo.

How about this photo?


It is ***specifically*** saying that if you are white you **are** Oppressive, you are arrogant, ignorant etc etc. It is actual racism. The obvious test of which is switch white with black/aboriginal/hispanic.

This is specifically the Critical Race Theory training that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon banned from US Government organisations (Robin DiAngelo) and Biden has reinstated.

It has zero to do with racial equality/harmony and everything to do with dismantling systems of authority and cultural marxism.

 

[TillLindemann]

There is white privilege and disingenuous for other than those at very low educational and/or socio-economic levels to pretend otherwise.

Relative to whom though? Asian-Americans earn more than white Americans, and also have better health and education outcomes, and this applies to both immigrants and American-born.

What about Jewish Americans? To even talk about 'Jewish privilege' would be considered veering close to anti-Semitism.

And why do we even have to reduce people to racial essentialism to begin with?

MLK's dream of people being judged by the content of their character, not the colour of their skin, is what we should aspire to. What these people are advocating is the opposite, they are demanding judgement on race, not character. It is dangerously retrograde.

 

[Papacito]

This stuff is going to get worse and it wont end well.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

I've worked at a couple of places that have done similar training.

For mine, 99% of it is not particularly useful but you do pick up a few interesting tidbits if you go in with an open mind.

 

[Tiger5150]

There is white privilege and disingenuous for other than those at very low educational and/or socio-economic levels to pretend otherwise.

Relative to whom though? Asian-Americans earn more than white Americans, and also have better health and education outcomes, and this applies to both immigrants and American-born.

What about Jewish Americans? To even talk about 'Jewish privilege' would be considered veering close to anti-Semitism.

And why do we even have to reduce people to racial essentialism to begin with?

MLK's dream of people being judged by the content of their character, not the colour of their skin, is what we should aspire to. What these people are advocating is the opposite, they are demanding judgement on race, not character. It is dangerously retrograde.

Asians are the fly in the Critical Race Theory ointment and are not to be discussed (or allowed into Harvard).

 

[Tim Sheens]

This stuff is going to get worse and it wont end well.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

People need to stand up to these crazies. They are peddling anti-white racism, pure and simple.
You get past racism by being colour-BLIND, but these people are colour-OBSESSED.

"Try to be less white" is certainly going to offend some and whilst I fully understand it's true meaning, think a rework would improve it's effectiveness in getting across to many.

This though in the photo from that link, I have little doubt that most at this age, particularly in countries such as the US would readily understand. The exposure and resultant cost in lives during this pandemic has put it front and centre for the ignorant amongst us.

There is white privilege and disingenuous for other than those at very low educational and/or socio-economic levels to pretend otherwise.



Whilst I could argue against your point with regards to the photo you selected (I dont feel am inherently superior because I am white, neither do my kids, do you?), you have cherry picked this photo.

How about this photo?


It is ***specifically*** saying that if you are white you **are** Oppressive, you are arrogant, ignorant etc etc. It is actual racism. The obvious test of which is switch white with black/aboriginal/hispanic.

This is specifically the Critical Race Theory training that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon banned from US Government organisations (Robin DiAngelo) and Biden has reinstated.

It has zero to do with racial equality/harmony and everything to do with dismantling systems of authority and cultural marxism.

Whites on average in the US are still starting a hundred metres sprint race with a 50 odd metre head start, having had that advantage whittled down from the previous 99.5 over the centuries.

Most are still being served by the blacks amongst them, just at the modern equivalent of their plantation dinner tables. They need to be educated as to why this is the case, both historically and present.

 

[BZN]

On the plus side, now academics have labeled me a "non-birthing parent" and my wife a "gestational parent".....
Nothing like living in the enlightened all inclusive 2021.....


Seriously?!?!


*Academics at the nation’s top university have told staff to stop using the word “mother’’ and replace it with “gestational parent”, while a “father’’ should now be referred to as a “non-birthing parent” in order to deliver gender-inclusive education.

The Australian National University’s Gender Institute Handbook instructs tutors and lecturers to use terms like “chestfeeding’’ instead of breastfeeding and “human or parent’s milk’’ instead of the phrase “mother’s milk’*

This is what appears to be coming out of the National University

Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks different from my point of view, but also looking into this matter with a different perspective and without being condemning of one's views and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and everyone's valid opinion, I honestly completely forgot what I was about to say

Very well 'not' said Mike :clap: :clap: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :upside_down_face: