Referendum

[Curly_Tiger]

Absolutely incorrect @earl

On matters Tigers, I respect yr opinions .

The radical and greedy inner-city Activists have lost and now they blame mis-information.

Yes. Misrepresented what they wanted from the beginning.

This is a victory for all Australians

They mentioned how the inner city electorates which poll high for the greens were all Yes

Why do greenies live in the inner city where the green is near nonexistent

Green Square is the best one, I’ve never been able to find the green square among all the concrete

 

[Tiger-ferret]

The sad thing is I fully believe that story. Whenever you have a program that aims to assist people through the provision of funding there will always be parasites ready to rip it off. The NDIS is the latest example. Child care rebates are another. The parasites are mostly not the people who the programs aim to assist but service providers who set themselves to provide services to those in need.

yep exactly. Hypothetically what happens when you actually close the gap? The funding should cease and political bodies would become redundant. The system works against itself to exist. The goal posts will continually move just out of arms reach.

 

[Kelce68]

I think it's a terrible decision and Australian are way too conservative. It'll be interesting what happens next but I figure we'll just get treaties but they won't be made big deals within public.

'Australians are too conservative'.

What? Too conservative for whom?

Once again, the spotlight gets turned on everyone else.

'Australians are too conservative'
'The no campaign was run on misinformation'
'This decision is based in racism'

No.
No.
And no.

This was a poorly design referendum from the get-go. By virtue of the question design itself, it pitted people against each other.

And, once again, the latest round of 'everything is everyone else's fault' will continue.

There'll be no reflection on the YES camp's errors in messaging.

The way they didn't allay people's concerns, didn't promote unity, preached rather than attempted to engage, demonised rather than discussed, over-simplified an objectively complex issue. The list goes on.

There will be no reflection on Elders' messaging to their own communities, no challenging indigenous Australians to be better role models to their own kids, to make better choices, promote and foster cooperative attitudes or foster mutual respect on a path forward.

None of it.

More woe is me, all my problems are someone else's fault, bullshit.

Labor, the YES campaign and the leaders of the indigenous community are supposed to be at the forefront of fighting for real change in statistics that matter.

But instead they'll just keep blaming everyone else.

This movement wants allies? Maybe if they spend more time building mutual respect, humility and self accountability and less time insulting others, they might just start winning support.

Crazy idea I know.

 

[twentyforty]

They mentioned how the inner city electorates which poll high for the greens were all Yes

Why do greenies live in the inner city where the green is near nonexistent

Green Square is the best one, I’ve never been able to find the green square among all the concrete

a couple of weeks ago, I eluded to an increase of those who identify as Aboriginal in Melbourne and ACT. Surprise, surprise 😮 this is where the yes vote was strongest and I suspect where the Aboriginal industry is too.

 

[Tucker]

Predictable result for mine.
The bullshit being spouted that three quarters of all Aboriginals were voting yes has been exposed.
In the end, it was likely close to the opposite - as Jacinta Price said it was.
Also unsurprising to me is that people living in the inner city LGAs around the country strongly voted yes, whilst those in rural and remote LGAs returned strong no votes.
That further backs up the thoughts I put forward on here months ago that those living in the cities DO NOT LISTEN TO, NOR UNDERSTAND what is going on in the rest of the country. They think they know what’s best and create their own narratives whilst the opposite views are dismissed as bogan, stupid, held by dinosaurs and dickheads or just plain racist.
It was very obvious to us who don’t live in cities that our voices would not be heard when it came to this Voice to Parliament and we rejected it in droves in every state.
On a personal note, I am very disappointed that the Government handled this so poorly. If campaigned correctly, with bi-partisan support and thorough planning, this could have brought the country together. These arrogant fools have now driven a wedge between us as a nation. The crap about Aboriginal leaders wanting a week of mourning will do likewise. It’s a bloody joke and they should feel ashamed.

 

[twentyforty]

'Australians are too conservative'.

What? Too conservative for whom?

Once again, the spotlight gets turned on everyone else.

'Australians are too conservative'
'The no campaign was run on misinformation'
'This decision is based in racism'

No.
No.
And no.

This was a poorly design referendum from the get-go. By virtue of the question design itself, it pitted people against each other.

And, once again, the latest round of 'everything is everyone else's fault' will continue.

There'll be no reflection on the YES camp's errors in messaging.

The way they didn't allay people's concerns, didn't promote unity, preached rather than attempted to engage, demonised rather than discussed, over-simplified an objectively complex issue. The list goes on.

There will be no reflection on Elders' messaging to their own communities, no challenging indigenous Australians to be better role models to their own kids, to make better choices, promote and foster cooperative attitudes or foster mutual respect on a path forward.

None of it.

More woe is me, all my problems are someone else's fault, bullshit.

Labor, the YES campaign and the leaders of the indigenous community are supposed to be at the forefront of fighting for real change in statistics that matter.

But instead they'll just keep blaming everyone else.

This movement wants allies? Maybe if they spend more time building mutual respect, humility and self accountability and less time insulting others, they might just start winning support.

Crazy idea I know.

What happens when the NIAA hits all of their closing the gap targets? Activists still have a job? Would there be a need for “the voice”?

 

[earl]

'Australians are too conservative'.

What? Too conservative for whom?

Solely in my opinion. I think the number of referendums that have been voted no is something like 45 and 8 yes.

Referendums in Australia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So there is some basis of facts within my assessment. It's hard to get a referendum up.

I think there was and still is a lot of misinformation. I've read plenty of facts that aren't facts in this thread.

I don't really see the whole issue the way you see it or anywhere close to it.

 

[twentyforty]

Solely in my opinion. I think the number of referendums that have been voted no is something like 45 and 8 yes.

Referendums in Australia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So there is some basis of facts within my assessment. It's hard to get a referendum up.

I think there was and still is a lot of misinformation. I've read plenty of facts that aren't facts in this thread.

I don't really see the whole issue the way you see it or anywhere close to it.

If the question is clear there’s no problem. Look at the 67 referendum, 2 clear and concise questions. The first question requesting an increase in politicians was a no.
While the 2nd in relation to Aboriginals, was a 91% Yes.
Australians know what they want and are not easily fooled.
I was surprised by the high number of informals though.

 

[Kelce68]

What happens when the NIAA hits all of their closing the gap targets? Activists still have a job? Would there be a need for “the voice”?

The gap will never be fully closed until people also take responsibility for their own agency.

They should be empowering their kids to succeed in a country that they are set up to succeed. Not teaching them to hate the country that provides more support than to any other subset of the population.

 

[coivtny]

'Australians are too conservative'.

What? Too conservative for whom?

Once again, the spotlight gets turned on everyone else.

'Australians are too conservative'
'The no campaign was run on misinformation'
'This decision is based in racism'

No.
No.
And no.

This was a poorly design referendum from the get-go. By virtue of the question design itself, it pitted people against each other.

And, once again, the latest round of 'everything is everyone else's fault' will continue.

There'll be no reflection on the YES camp's errors in messaging.

The way they didn't allay people's concerns, didn't promote unity, preached rather than attempted to engage, demonised rather than discussed, over-simplified an objectively complex issue. The list goes on.

There will be no reflection on Elders' messaging to their own communities, no challenging indigenous Australians to be better role models to their own kids, to make better choices, promote and foster cooperative attitudes or foster mutual respect on a path forward.

None of it.

More woe is me, all my problems are someone else's fault, bullshit.

Labor, the YES campaign and the leaders of the indigenous community are supposed to be at the forefront of fighting for real change in statistics that matter.

But instead they'll just keep blaming everyone else.

This movement wants allies? Maybe if they spend more time building mutual respect, humility and self accountability and less time insulting others, they might just start winning support.

Crazy idea I know.

M

'Australians are too conservative'.

What? Too conservative for whom?

Once again, the spotlight gets turned on everyone else.

'Australians are too conservative'
'The no campaign was run on misinformation'
'This decision is based in racism'

No.
No.
And no.

This was a poorly design referendum from the get-go. By virtue of the question design itself, it pitted people against each other.

And, once again, the latest round of 'everything is everyone else's fault' will continue.

There'll be no reflection on the YES camp's errors in messaging.

The way they didn't allay people's concerns, didn't promote unity, preached rather than attempted to engage, demonised rather than discussed, over-simplified an objectively complex issue. The list goes on.

There will be no reflection on Elders' messaging to their own communities, no challenging indigenous Australians to be better role models to their own kids, to make better choices, promote and foster cooperative attitudes or foster mutual respect on a path forward.

None of it.

More woe is me, all my problems are someone else's fault, bullshit.

Labor, the YES campaign and the leaders of the indigenous community are supposed to be at the forefront of fighting for real change in statistics that matter.

But instead they'll just keep blaming everyone else.

This movement wants allies? Maybe if they spend more time building mutual respect, humility and self accountability and less time insulting others, they might just start winning support.

Crazy idea I know.

Mate, brilliant post. Couldn't agree more. By the way, totally separate question, are you dating Taylor Swift?

 

[Tucker]

It’s annoying to see analysts are coming out today and describing the result as a clash between metropolitan, worldly inner city types and conservative mindsets of those who live outside cities.
The ABC has rolled out talking head after talking head such as Emeritus Professor of Sociology Andrew Jakubowicz from the University of Technology Sydney, who stated "Having higher education in particular contributes to someone's likelihood of voting Yes,". These people are saying that city dwellers are smarter and more educated, therefore they voted yes.
Clearly on this topic, the reverse is true. They are uneducated on the reality of the situation, they scoff at the logistics required to actually implement it and their smug attitudes made some of their worthwhile points disappear under the avalanche of virtue signalling that accompanied them.
Also…obtaining a University degree does not mean you are smart. This point is often missed by these people.

 

[Winston Churchill]

I'd like to see this happen but I think it's unlikely in today's political age. There is too much extremism.

Extremism lost last night.

 

[Flippedy]

You have to laugh at all the "victory of misinformation" stuff.
It's like they totally reject the concept that anyone could be fully informed and disagree with their profound wisdom.

Thankfully most Australians aren’t as naive as Albo and his crew. I think that Elmer probably thought he was doing a good thing, but sadly I believe he was sold a furphy by his WEF/UN puppet masters who no doubt convinced him ‘this would be great for your nation’ whilst they gained more control over Australia and lined their own pockets in the process. So glad it backfired, we the people have had a gutful of these self appointed overlords.

 

[The Chad]

I thoroughly expect Australia to be labelled 'racist' in the coming weeks.

However, I think I could probably count on both hands the actual amount of 'racist' people I believe I've met in my life.

The issue, as some have said, was with the "Voice" package & how it was delivered. I'd place nearly every dollar I own on a Yes vote had the referendum been based on an actual plan to bridge any kind of gap, with any type of disadvantaged group.

Once again, the media & the politicians stuffed up everything & made it a popularity contest.

The "No" vote was a victory for one thing- the pulling power of celebrities got shown for what it was. Fluff. Unlike other countries that celebrate the deep thoughts of Einstein-like minds such as Whoopie Goldberg & Robert De Niro, obviously the greatest minds of our time, Australia heard our celebrities & went "Yeah....nah. Think I'll make my own mind up".

No doubt Labor & the Yes vote groupies will blame mis-information & veiled threats of racism & lower educated populations/rednecks from the bush.

That will completely overlook a 60% overall population vote AGAINST their flawed ideas. Australia spoke. All demographics spoke. Maybe the media, the indiginous leaders & the Labor party would be well served actually listening to what was said.

 

[stephen]

'Australians are too conservative'.

What? Too conservative for whom?

Once again, the spotlight gets turned on everyone else.

'Australians are too conservative'
'The no campaign was run on misinformation'
'This decision is based in racism'

No.
No.
And no.

This was a poorly design referendum from the get-go. By virtue of the question design itself, it pitted people against each other.

And, once again, the latest round of 'everything is everyone else's fault' will continue.

There'll be no reflection on the YES camp's errors in messaging.

The way they didn't allay people's concerns, didn't promote unity, preached rather than attempted to engage, demonised rather than discussed, over-simplified an objectively complex issue. The list goes on.

There will be no reflection on Elders' messaging to their own communities, no challenging indigenous Australians to be better role models to their own kids, to make better choices, promote and foster cooperative attitudes or foster mutual respect on a path forward.

None of it.

More woe is me, all my problems are someone else's fault, bullshit.

Labor, the YES campaign and the leaders of the indigenous community are supposed to be at the forefront of fighting for real change in statistics that matter.

But instead they'll just keep blaming everyone else.

This movement wants allies? Maybe if they spend more time building mutual respect, humility and self accountability and less time insulting others, they might just start winning support.

Crazy idea I know.

Well said. The " truth telling" called for must include aboriginal Australians being honest & reflecting on their own failings to improve their own & their childrens/communities circumstances. Absolutely not denying the dark history of colonisation, but truth is a 2 way street.

 

[bptiger 0]

a couple of weeks ago, I eluded to an increase of those who identify as Aboriginal in Melbourne and ACT. Surprise, surprise 😮 this is where the yes vote was strongest and I suspect where the Aboriginal industry is too.

Ur 100% right the WHITE aboriginals in Canberra are only looking after there income they don’t give a crap about the the people living in the outback there just away for them to have jobs and a very good income , get rid of these bluggers and deal with the outback people only .

 

[hank37w]

So there is some basis of facts within my assessment. It's hard to get a referendum up.

It becomes even more difficult when it is run as poorly as Albo did along with someone as hopeless as Linda Burney with him, who between the 2 of them could never get any of their facts straight. Add to this all the radical so called academics spewing forth hate and constant insults at anyone who would even contemplate voting NO, there is little wonder that it was doomed.

I think there was and still is a lot of misinformation. I've read plenty of facts that aren't facts in this thread.

Much of that must have been from when you were reading some of your ridiculous posts.

I don't really see the whole issue the way you see it or anywhere close to it.

This would have to be the most factual statement that you have made on this issue.

 

[bptiger 0]

Now that we got this vote done next agenda get rid of Albo , so we can cut our power bills and restore are why if life

 

[earl]

It becomes even more difficult when it is run as poorly as Albo did along with someone as hopeless as Linda Burney with him, who between the 2 of them could never get any of their facts straight. Add to this all the radical so called academics spewing forth hate and constant insults at anyone who would even contemplate voting NO, there is little wonder that it was doomed.

I didn't see any of this however you've certainly displayed this behavior in your post.

Much of that must have been from when you were reading some of your ridiculous posts.

I don't understand this at all so I'll point out that someone called out the $40 billion Indigenous spend that when I looked it up was actually $5 bn spend via the reported federal budget spend.

Facts should matter.

 

[Dennisspicer1]

I think it's a terrible decision and Australian are way too conservative. It'll be interesting what happens next but I figure we'll just get treaties but they won't be made big deals within public.

Nothing should happen next,
We just voted, its a no answer,, but the fact that the vote no was the answer from majority of Aussies thats not acceptable, you got your shot at it and you lost,
Learn to live with it.

Like we would have if we would have lost.0