Refs Ruining The Game

[tigertye]

I don't consider myself a bias or sooky supporter, I call a spade a spade and consider myself a fan of footy in general. I don't even want to talk about tonight's 2 games and some of the disgraceful refereeing I saw (for all teams). I know it's a tough gig, but FFS, this is professional sport.

I just want to know if anyone else is starting to feel the same way I am about the game in general because of so many consistently bad calls by refs in every game, for every team, to the point where the wrong team is consistently winning because of bad calls? Personally, I'm literally finding myself angry just watching any game because it's gotten so bad, I'm turning games off, something I've never done. I'm not even an angry guy and I have moments I wanna see how far the remote sticks into the TV. The game has lost its flow.

Am I the only one who is just over it and wants immediate changes? Does anyone think anything will be done? Is the game just going to get worse?

On a side note - Ray Warren please retire you're doing my head in.

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[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

On a side note - Ray Warren please retire you're doing my head in.

That would be fantastic, he is old biased fool who barely knows any player out of the top 13 of each team.

 

[sheer64]

I don't consider myself a bias or sooky supporter, I call a spade a spade and consider myself a fan of footy in general. I don't even want to talk about tonight's 2 games and some of the disgraceful refereeing I saw (for all teams). I know it's a tough gig, but FFS, this is professional sport.

I just want to know if anyone else is starting to feel the same way I am about the game in general because of so many consistently bad calls by refs in every game, for every team, to the point where the wrong team is consistently winning because of bad calls? Personally, I'm literally finding myself angry just watching any game because it's gotten so bad, I'm turning games off, something I've never done. I'm not even an angry guy and I have moments I wanna see how far the remote sticks into the TV. The game has lost its flow.

Am I the only one who is just over it and wants immediate changes? Does anyone think anything will be done? Is the game just going to get worse?

On a side note - Ray Warren please retire you're doing my head in.

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Tigertye I wrote a detailed email to the ARL Commission regarding the current standard of refereeing.What I got back was this;

Thanks for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to write to us.

Referees and players alike work incredibly hard to achieve the highest standards. The overwhelming majority of their decisions are correct but like players, they are human and sometimes they’ll make mistakes. More often than not they will be criticised no matter which call they make, particularly when decisions are close.

I understand your view on their performance this season but the officials are decent people doing the best job they can in the fastest and most challenging environment of any football code and probably any sport in the world.

All that said, we will continue to monitor the feedback from clubs, players and fans to ensure we can continue to improve the standard of officiating in Rugby League. It is reviewed on an ongoing basis, and more thoroughly at the end of each season to see where improvements can be made. This will again be the case at the end of 2015.

Thanks again for writing in for writing to us and for your support of the game.

Kind regards

Supporter liaison

 

[Black_Orange_White]

Reffing is honestly the least of our problems. It ruins the NRL sure with their inconsistencies and dumb rules (though that's not their fault), but in terms of Tigers football we shouldn't look at them.

 

[tigertye]

Probably the only response that anyone will get Sheer.

Of course it's a tough job, I don't know anyone who would want to do it. But the fact is, these guys clearly can't do the job to a consistent level. That's the problem. They can't get the basics right. It's over complicated and no longer black and white. Every Tom, Dick & Harry can see it. The Myles strip tonight on Halatau was a perfect example of a call that should've been overturned and a penalty to us by the video ref instead of a scrum to Titans. That's just a tiny example.
We lost any chance of a last ditch effort to win.

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[tigertye]

Reffing is honestly the least of our problems. It ruins the NRL sure with their inconsistencies and dumb rules (though that's not their fault), but in terms of Tigers football we shouldn't look at them.

Agree mate. I'm talking about the NRL as a whole here though. Refs are going to make mistakes, I get that, but the standards and inconsistencies are ruining good games of footy. Teams are getting unwarranted possession through dud calls and teams are paying for it.

I'm not saying we deserved to win, or having a tanty about tonight's game. I used to love watching all the games, now I just sit there and shake my head and wonder how it's come to what it has.

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[Black_Orange_White]

Reffing is honestly the least of our problems. It ruins the NRL sure with their inconsistencies and dumb rules (though that's not their fault), but in terms of Tigers football we shouldn't look at them.

Agree mate. I'm talking about the NRL as a whole here though. Refs are going to make mistakes, I get that, but the standards and inconsistencies are ruining good games of footy. Teams are getting unwarranted possession through dud calls and teams are paying for it.

I'm not saying we deserved to win, or having a tanty about tonight's game. I used to love watching all the games, now I just sit there and shake my head and wonder how it's come to what it has.

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Yeah mate my bad, I thought this was in the Tigers section and not the NRL. Agree with you 100%.

I personally think it's because a penalty is worth so much combined with the refs that make it seem like they have so much control. It's a new set of six plus a kick for touch that's around 20-30m? That's ridiculous.

Look at NFL, they have various penalties depending on what actually happened. Basketball has penalties that vary plus free throws after a specific amount of fouls. Only the NRL has blatantly harsh penalty guidelines which ruin the game.

 

[tigertye]

Reffing is honestly the least of our problems. It ruins the NRL sure with their inconsistencies and dumb rules (though that's not their fault), but in terms of Tigers football we shouldn't look at them.

Agree mate. I'm talking about the NRL as a whole here though. Refs are going to make mistakes, I get that, but the standards and inconsistencies are ruining good games of footy. Teams are getting unwarranted possession through dud calls and teams are paying for it.

I'm not saying we deserved to win, or having a tanty about tonight's game. I used to love watching all the games, now I just sit there and shake my head and wonder how it's come to what it has.

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Yeah mate my bad, I thought this was in the Tigers section and not the NRL. Agree with you 100%.

I personally think it's because a penalty is worth so much combined with the refs that make it seem like they have so much control. It's a new set of six plus a kick for touch that's around 20-30m? That's ridiculous.

Look at NFL, they have various penalties depending on what actually happened. Basketball has penalties that vary plus free throws after a specific amount of fouls. Only the NRL has blatantly harsh penalty guidelines which ruin the game.

Haha it probably is in the Tigers section so it's my bad. Always forget when I'm using the roar feed app.

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[jirskyr]

Henry Perenara is a poor ref, the guy hardly gets anything right.

How he missed the Myles strip on Halatau, the dude was standing right over it and Myles rakes his arm, comes away with the ball. Astounding, he's good for one pure howler every week.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Our first disallowed try(Cherrington) should not have been over ruled by the video ref either as there wasn't clear and conclusive proof that no part of the ball touch the ground.

I didn't think it was forced, and should have been no try, but doesn't change the fact that the call was made by the ref and over ruled without 100% certainty.

The second one I think it was Milone that went over and was called no try, well that rule is just stupid. Even though the decoy touched the defender, he actually committed to a tackle. So it was a bad read more than him being taken out by the tigers player. Just utter stupid rules that drag down the game in my opinion. I wish the ref had ruled try and not gone upstairs.

One of these days we'll get a break.

Some might say that perhaps we did with Lawrence's second try, but the conclusive proof wasn't there that Tedesco touched the ball to knock on so it had to remain a try.

There's no doubt that the lesser teams get the crap decisions and are scrutinized more severeley than teams such as Souths, Easts, Brisbane etc.

I'm pretty much at the point where as soon as there's a delay in the decision I throw my hands up and get another beer.

 

[Tigerdave]

Am I the only one who is just over it and wants immediate changes? Does anyone think anything will be done? Is the game just going to get worse?

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No you aren't the only one

Not sure if anything will be done, but there are people in the media starting to write about what the game has turned into.

It will get worse if nothing is done.

The inconsistency, the stupid rulings, no 10 metre, no benefit of the doubt, stupid stripping rules, stupid shoulder charge interpretation, stupid obstruction interpretations….
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Obstruction
The indicators for an obstruction include:
1
(a) ‘Block’* or ‘Flat’ runner ~~(who do not receive the ball) must not stop in the middle of the defensive line
(b) ‘Block’ or ‘Flat’ runner ~~(who do not receive the ball) must not run at (chest or outside shoulder of)
defender ~~and initiate contact
© The Referee or Video Referee can determine the significance of contact initiated by the ‘Block’ or ‘Flat’
runner ~~(who does not receive the ball) in impeding a defender’s involvement in a try scoring play
2
Ball Carriers must not run behind an active ‘Block’ or ‘Flat’ runner ~~and disadvantage the defensive line (ie a
defender cannot be expected to defend against this play)
3
Attacking players who run a ‘Sweep’^ line must receive the ball beyond the inside shoulder of the ‘Block’ or
‘Flat’ runner ~~4
Defensive decisions that commit defender ~~to initiating contact with an attacking player(s) will not be deemed
obstruction
5
Defensive decisions that commit defender ~~to change their defensive line will not be deemed obstruction.
*Block runners run lines towards an opposition goal line and are committed to receiving the ball close to the defensive line

We had a try disallowed that should have been given, Lovett did not move towards the defender, did not stop in the field of play. Sezer just continued to try to tackle Lovett.

Shoulder Charge
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Is where a defender, without attempting to tackle, grab or hold the ball-carrier (or any opposing player) using the
arms or hands, makes direct physical contact using the shoulder or the upper arm (tucked into the side).
It will be considered misconduct, if any player affects a tackle in the manner as defined. The indicators will include:
1
Rotation of the defenders hips and shoulders
2
Defender has ‘tucked’ his arm into his body.
3
No genuine attempt to make a tackle.

Can't remember who it was Sue maybe?, but it was Sezer who hobbled off the field. He clearly went in to tackle, he clearly was using his arms to tackle….~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[innsaneink]

WD. ..you really have your goggles on.
Both clear no try. ..your in a thread that's critical of reds and rules but you want the wrong decision under the current rules.
Doesn't make sense.

It happens every game…Every week...more noticeable when it's us though

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[larrycorowa]

I thought the video refs were ok tonight….they weren't the problem. It was pretty obvious that Cherrington didn't get the ball to ground....also Lovett faded right at the line i thought.

On-field refs were atrocious as usual....Got sucked in by the Titans milking penalties and missed a clear strip. I don't have much time for either ref tonight.

Only things worse than the refs was our general performance and the TV commentary. Channel 9 should have a fresh look at their whole commentary approach....very blokey and boorish. Lacks any thoughtfulness and analysis (the best commentators are US baseball....so knowledgeable). As much as he can be annoying Gus Gould is the best expert commentator we have. Johns could be good but is a muppett (ditto Finch). With training Fittler could be outstanding.

 

[mightymagpie]

Tigerdave is right. It's not just the refs. The rules are the main problem.
I nearly threw the remote at the TV last night after Sue got Sezer. So the game is in the balance. Sezer ducks into the tackle and gets his head in the way of Sue's shoulder and they get the penalty. Obviously it was accidental contact with the head but they get the chance to seal the win with a penalty goal. So what was the tackler supposed to do? Such a stupid rule. And then to hear Rabs gibbering on about it…
And every game there's contentious calls on loose carries and stripping of the ball in 2 man tackles. Another dumb rule. This one is just too much for the refs - I actually think it's impossible for them to always get it right. We get to see it in slow mo and still can't tell and they have to make an on the spot decision.
It's these penalties that gives teams momentum rather than just their ability that ruins the game.
And I'm not just ranting because we lost. Every game I watch it's the same contentious decisions.

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[happy_tiger]

WD. ..you really have your goggles on.
Both clear no try. ..your in a thread that's critical of reds and rules but you want the wrong decision under the current rules.
Doesn't make sense.

It happens every game…Every week...more noticeable when it's us though

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I reckon they only got a few calls wrong all night

No issues with the no tries , both weren't Rowdy's second was questionable

My two that baffled me were the late strip on Halatau and the supposed ankle pull by Moses on James

 

[saundo1982]

Did any watch the opening of the Broncos game??

The ruling for Ben hunts try. So he is on the ground after trying to pick up a loose ball with 3 manly defenders having varying degrees of contact with him whilst on the ground. He gets up runs away and scores. Video ref checks it a its a try.

I thought once a player in possession of the ball is on the ground and the arm carrying ball contacts the ground and he is touched ( regardless of force or how much contact) could be just a pinky then he is considered held.

Pretty sure had he been just short of the line and moved the ball it would have been considered a double movement or if one of the manly players tried to take the ball they would have been penalised for stripping the ball with more then 1 in the tackle. Although based on our game and Nate myles not sure that rule exists anymore.

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[mike]

Did any watch the opening of the Broncos game??

The ruling for Ben hunts try. So he is on the ground after trying to pick up a loose ball with 3 manly defenders having varying degrees of contact with him whilst on the ground. He gets up runs away and scores. Video ref checks it a its a try.

I thought once a player in possession of the ball is on the ground and the arm carrying ball contacts the ground and he is touched ( regardless of force or how much contact) could be just a pinky then he is considered held.

Pretty sure had he been just short of the line and moved the ball it would have been considered a double movement or if one of the manly players tried to take the ball they would have been penalised for stripping the ball with more then 1 in the tackle. Although based on our game and Nate myles not sure that rule exists anymore.

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Yes I couldn't believe that was a try. He was tackled, arm and ball on the ground with a opposing player(s) touching him. The refs are just making up the rules as they go now, it is totally out of control.

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[simonthetiger]

I am still stunned about the Lovett shepherd…...Elgey clearly hits him in an attempt to milk a penalty.

In the spirit of the game that is a try every day of the week.

PS....we are crap and didnt deserve to win.

 

[tigertye]

Tigerdave is right. It's not just the refs. The rules are the main problem.
I nearly threw the remote at the TV last night after Sue got Sezer. So the game is in the balance. Sezer ducks into the tackle and gets his head in the way of Sue's shoulder and they get the penalty. Obviously it was accidental contact with the head but they get the chance to seal the win with a penalty goal. So what was the tackler supposed to do? Such a stupid rule. And then to hear Rabs gibbering on about it…
And every game there's contentious calls on loose carries and stripping of the ball in 2 man tackles. Another dumb rule. This one is just too much for the refs - I actually think it's impossible for them to always get it right. We get to see it in slow mo and still can't tell and they have to make an on the spot decision.
It's these penalties that gives teams momentum rather than just their ability that ruins the game.
And I'm not just ranting because we lost. Every game I watch it's the same contentious decisions.

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Spot on buddy.

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[Yossarian]

I am still stunned about the Lovett shepherd…...Elgey clearly hits him in an attempt to milk a penalty.

In the spirit of the game that is a try every day of the week.

PS....we are crap and didnt deserve to win.

I'd be happy enough for it to be a no try if they were consistent but last week Greg Inglis ran behind a player in the defensive line and it was ruled a try (overturning the on field decision) on the basis that the defence (GC Titans oddly enough) initiated contact. The question is, does he blow a penalty if Milone gets tackled short? No he doesn't. If say Halatau then dives from dummy half it's a try. Same thing down the other end when our player was obstructed but they don't score and play goes on leading to the penalty for a high shot. That's what annoys me - if the refs think it's obstruction blow the penalty.