Rename Margaret Court Arena?

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

It's ironic how those in favour of gay marriage are able to express their views without much repercussion. Gay pride is literally forced down my throat through every avenue I turn to face, mostly from P-C Buzzfeed (scum of the earth). I am not homophobic by any means and will accept anyone from anywhere, but it's really hypocritical that we focus on the freedom of speech and views and have allowed gay pride into society, yet when someone expresses views against it action must be taken. I don't think many of you still realise gay marriage is illegal, why not go after the government?

This is the thing. The tactics used by the left in issues such as this can and will turn neutral people against them. We saw it happen with Brexit and with the US election.

I think on both these issues the tide has turned. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon never won the popular vote, lost by 3 million and going down quick. And the pro-Brexit group has folded already. Saunders in US represented the left not Clinton. Europe needs be united against Russia and sometimes stupid America.

 

[Nelson]

Maybe we could just rename Margaret Court and keep the arena name as it is…

Or change the name but keep it in her honour - Desiccated Old Goat Arena?

 

[AL The Tiger]

It's ironic how those in favour of gay marriage are able to express their views without much repercussion. Gay pride is literally forced down my throat through every avenue I turn to face, mostly from P-C Buzzfeed (scum of the earth). I am not homophobic by any means and will accept anyone from anywhere, but it's really hypocritical that we focus on the freedom of speech and views and have allowed gay pride into society, yet when someone expresses views against it action must be taken. I don't think many of you still realise gay marriage is illegal, why not go after the government?

This is the thing. The tactics used by the left in issues such as this can and will turn neutral people against them. We saw it happen with Brexit and with the US election.

I think on both these issues the tide has turned. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon never won the popular vote, lost by 3 million and going down quick. And the pro-Brexit group has folded already. Saunders in US represented the left not Clinton. Europe needs be united against Russia and sometimes stupid America.

Sometimes?
:roll

 

[stryker]

You're a cynic but honestly it makes a different in the public sphere. I'm not saying wrong or right, just saying public apologies often work, so long as what you have done can be forgiven.

What are your thoughts on Russel Packer coming to the club? Should he have been blacklisted?

Packer's case is different again. What he did was criminal and was the actions of a scumbag. He paid a reasonably heavy penalty and has had to start from scratch again. Id never fully trust him…mongrel dogs bite more than once, however he has done his time and if he has managed to ressuect his career, who am I to say he shouldnt be allowed? We need aggression so I am happy with the contract.

 

[stryker]

I think on both these issues the tide has turned. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon never won the popular vote, lost by 3 million and going down quick. And the pro-Brexit group has folded already. Saunders in US represented the left not Clinton. Europe needs be united against Russia and sometimes stupid America.

That may be the case Byron but the point stands. The average joe in both instances were fed up with the manipulative pandering of media and celebrity. They were being spoken down to and being labelled as anything from sexist to racist, misogynistic to homophobic, xenophobic to bigoted for holding alternate views to the narrative that was being relentlessly forced upon the masses by the left. Id suspect that a large percentage of votes in both outcomes were middle finger votes and acts of defiance.
I agree Eurpoe needs to be united but not against Russia and the septics. The last dozen or so terror attacks has proven who they should be looking at. Allowing millions of undocumented refugees in from war torn countries was always going to end in tears.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I think on both these issues the tide has turned. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon never won the popular vote, lost by 3 million and going down quick. And the pro-Brexit group has folded already. Saunders in US represented the left not Clinton. Europe needs be united against Russia and sometimes stupid America.

That may be the case Byron but the point stands. The average joe in both instances were fed up with the manipulative pandering of media and celebrity. They were being spoken down to and being labelled as anything from sexist to racist, misogynistic to homophobic, xenophobic to bigoted for holding alternate views to the narrative that was being relentlessly forced upon the masses by the left. Id suspect that a large percentage of votes in both outcomes were middle finger votes and acts of defiance.
I agree Eurpoe needs to be united but not against Russia and the septics. The last dozen or so terror attacks has proven who they should be looking at. Allowing millions of undocumented refugees in from war torn countries was always going to end in tears.

The Left does two things, it is "progressive" on social issues that you have mentioned that can alienate workers with little intellect who listen to shock jocks and read Telecrap. The Left also represent workers for better work conditions, wages etc.. The Brexit and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon won on unemployment that was due to technological change and jobs exported to Asia for decades. If employment had stayed healthy and with decent wages workers would not be looking for scapegoats in England and America. They would not have fell for cheap, pie-in-sky solutions like they voted for.

Why should the left care about bread & butter issues and not also the workers social/psychological health as well? This is where "political correctness" or decent fair-minded attitudes comes in. I never had to be cured of racism because I was taught the opposite from a youngster. I was never turned off women, women weren't put down (like I had witnessed in some households). Homosexuality was not mentioned when a youngster but we applied the same principles that we had learnt to other minorities. These items should be non issues and should not be used to divide and rule by leaders who should know better. They only facilitate the spread of hatred and ignorance. No different from the preacher on Sundays in many instances. We will try and get back on topic now - being done to death anyway.

 

[stryker]

The left may have started off as progressive in ideaology but they certainly dont act that way now. They are more abusive than the so called "low intellect right" and this can be seen in many countries including ours through the rise of those cowards antifa. Look at the way celebrities, reporters and tv/social media chanel hosts carry on. They close down debate and attack the person theyre supposed to be interviewing rather than debate them. Andrew Okeefe and Virginia Trioli classic examples and they also have large platforms.

Mate i grew up in public housing flats in Cairns. Ive lived with bamas, torries and polys for over 40 years. More than 90 percent of my friends have dark skin. I employ two bama and even have them in my family…my brother is married to a torrie. I have two dark skinned nephews and one niece. I served with them, Ive worked in remote communities with them. I didnt have to be cured either but i certainly call a spade a shovel and dont pretend they are all victims. Those im close with are achievers because they refuse to be victims. There are heaps who play that card though and its no surprise theyre the ones who get smashed all day and do short stints every now and then on DV charges.

Look Margaret Court is wrong. She sounds dumb spewing her hatred. However to me she isnt coming off as bad as those frothing at the mouth and lining up to totally destroy her for saying nasty words. Those people are so anger filled they look manic. They are far more dangerous than a little old woman who talks crap.

 

[old_man_tiger]

The left may have started off as progressive in ideaology but they certainly dont act that way now. They are more abusive than the so called "low intellect right" and this can be seen in many countries including ours through the rise of those cowards antifa. Look at the way celebrities, reporters and tv/social media chanel hosts carry on. They close down debate and attack the person theyre supposed to be interviewing rather than debate them. Andrew Okeefe and Virginia Trioli classic examples and they also have large platforms.

Mate i grew up in public housing flats in Cairns. Ive lived with bamas, torries and polys for over 40 years. More than 90 percent of my friends have dark skin. I employ two bama and even have them in my family…my brother is married to a torrie. I have two dark skinned nephews and one niece. I served with them, Ive worked in remote communities with them. I didnt have to be cured either but i certainly call a spade a shovel and dont pretend they are all victims. Those im close with are achievers because they refuse to be victims. There are heaps who play that card though and its no surprise theyre the ones who get smashed all day and do short stints every now and then on DV charges.

Look Margaret Court is wrong. She sounds dumb spewing her hatred. However to me she isnt coming off as bad as those frothing at the mouth and lining up to totally destroy her for saying nasty words. Those people are so anger filled they look manic. They are far more dangerous than a little old woman who talks crap.

I think a lot of the people you are defining as Left are actually neo liberal centrists who rely on political correctness to maintain a status quo that suits them. I doubt many of them have a single bone in their body that is socialist or progressive. Just my opinion, the true left in Aus is very small.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

She's stuck in the 1920s like a few on here… She's entitled to her views no matter how outdated but renaming the Stadium shouldn't occur, that came about due to her deeds on court

You need to be mindful of the increasing popularity of fundamentalist Christian Churches in Australia which have views consistent with those of Margaret Court. They attract younger Australians, are well funded and have political clout. Our local Federal Member is a member of one of these Churches.

 

[Geo]

Well this got boring quick..that is my opinion…no one is going to tell me I can't have it...

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The left may have started off as progressive in ideaology but they certainly dont act that way now. They are more abusive than the so called "low intellect right" and this can be seen in many countries including ours through the rise of those cowards antifa. Look at the way celebrities, reporters and tv/social media chanel hosts carry on. **They close down debate and attack the person theyre supposed to be interviewing** rather than debate them. Andrew Okeefe and Virginia Trioli classic examples and they also have large platforms.

Mate i grew up in public housing flats in Cairns. Ive lived with bamas, torries and polys for over 40 years. More than 90 percent of my friends have dark skin. I employ two bama and even have them in my family…my brother is married to a torrie. I have two dark skinned nephews and one niece. I served with them, Ive worked in remote communities with them. I didnt have to be cured either but i certainly call a spade a shovel and dont pretend they are all victims. Those im close with are achievers because they refuse to be victims. There are heaps who play that card though and its no surprise theyre the ones who get smashed all day and do short stints every now and then on DV charges.

Look Margaret Court is wrong. She sounds dumb spewing her hatred. However to me she isnt coming off as bad as those frothing at the mouth and lining up to totally destroy her for saying nasty words. Those people are so anger filled they look manic. They are far more dangerous than a little old woman who talks crap.

Wow, that never happens on Fox News. Sean Hannity is the undisputed of king of bullying guests who he doesn't agree with.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

It was only overseas recently with American cable TV and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon crisis unfolding I learnt properly about CNN and Fox News the differences. The guy who began the Fox network is credited with the rise of anti-intellectual below the belt populism that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was able to take advantage of. So predictably recently he had to resign over sexual harassment in the workplace and recently died. (Clinton may not have been harassment). CNN have taken Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon head on (like Geoff Touvy) and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon responds accordingly - great stuff.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

The left may have started off as progressive in ideaology but they certainly dont act that way now. They are more abusive than the so called "low intellect right" and this can be seen in many countries including ours through the rise of those cowards antifa. Look at the way celebrities, reporters and tv/social media chanel hosts carry on. They close down debate and attack the person theyre supposed to be interviewing rather than debate them. Andrew Okeefe and Virginia Trioli classic examples and they also have large platforms.

Mate i grew up in public housing flats in Cairns. Ive lived with bamas, torries and polys for over 40 years. More than 90 percent of my friends have dark skin. I employ two bama and even have them in my family…my brother is married to a torrie. I have two dark skinned nephews and one niece. I served with them, Ive worked in remote communities with them. I didnt have to be cured either but i certainly call a spade a shovel and dont pretend they are all victims. Those im close with are achievers because they refuse to be victims. There are heaps who play that card though and its no surprise theyre the ones who get smashed all day and do short stints every now and then on DV charges.

Look Margaret Court is wrong. She sounds dumb spewing her hatred. However to me she isnt coming off as bad as those frothing at the mouth and lining up to totally destroy her for saying nasty words. Those people are so anger filled they look manic. They are far more dangerous than a little old woman who talks crap.

Andrew Okeefe and Virginia Trioli no idea of who they are but will take your point.
There are achievers regardless and those of lesser resilience who suffer and fall behind, internalise it get depressed and hit the bottle or ice whatever. Most responses in society are about a third each way, a third responds strongly a third weakly and a third in the middle. The psychologically weaker variety should not be exposed to discrimination for what or who they are. Often they can even be the most intelligent ones so end up being up massive underachievers instead of making smart breakthroughs that others are in capable of. We are only hurting ourselves by letting intoleration occur.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I am OK with people voicing whatever they have to think as long as they are not inciting violence. The quote incorrectly attributed to Voltaire springs to mind "I detest what you say, but I will defend to death your right to say it."

It's a fundamental flaw with those on both the left and right now. They think they have a mortgage on free speech and both are ready to suppress the thoughts of others under the guise of their free speech being undermined. No progress is made without a free exchange of ideas.

Let Margaret Court have her say. I personally detest what she has said, but she has made herself known as rather regressive character who is probably a little out of step with the Zeitgeist. Calling her out probably won't change her opinions, but maybe she'll see just how irrelevant her views are becoming in this day and age, and that will burn her to the core, moreso than her opposition to SSM.

 

[Geo]

I also don't get the Same Sex Marriage thing…Why is it such an issue...? Is it just because they can't...? I mean there are 1000's upon 1000's of hetro-sexual De-Facto relationships which have all the rights and responsibilities of married couple in death and taxes or that end in relationship breakdown(divorce)...Is it different for Same Sex Relationships..?..Are they not recognised by Law as the same...?

I am genuinely curious...If you love someone and are prepared to spend the rest of your life committed to them..What's a piece of paper...?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Given that marriage is governed by a secular institution in this country (the Australian government,) it is probably the notion that the Australian government considers marriage an exclusive institution, not available to all consenting adults. If the government were denying Indigenous Australians access to a secular institution do you think it would be tolerated?

There are other factors as well I believe such as next of kin, estate matters and the like that are afforded to spouses that may not be afforded to de facto couples. There may have been changes and I am happy to be corrected though.

If the piece of paper is not that important, why have marriage at all?

 

[jirskyr]

You're a cynic but honestly it makes a different in the public sphere. I'm not saying wrong or right, just saying public apologies often work, so long as what you have done can be forgiven.

What are your thoughts on Russel Packer coming to the club? Should he have been blacklisted?

Packer's case is different again. What he did was criminal and was the actions of a scumbag. He paid a reasonably heavy penalty and has had to start from scratch again. Id never fully trust him…mongrel dogs bite more than once, however he has done his time and if he has managed to ressuect his career, who am I to say he shouldnt be allowed? We need aggression so I am happy with the contract.

Fair enough, and by that argument what Andrew Johns did wrong during his career is paltry.

 

[jirskyr]

Given that marriage is governed by a secular institution in this country (the Australian government,) it is probably the notion that the Australian government considers marriage an exclusive institution, not available to all consenting adults. If the government were denying Indigenous Australians access to a secular institution do you think it would be tolerated?

There are other factors as well I believe such as next of kin, estate matters and the like that are afforded to spouses that may not be afforded to de facto couples. There may have been changes and I am happy to be corrected though.

If the piece of paper is not that important, why have marriage at all?

Cultural, historical, religious reasons.

The Family Law Act 1975 defined what a de facto relationship was, but didn't iron out all the nuances for rights, particularly in the event of break down of the relationship. In the late 80s to early 90s, state governments began to reform their laws to bring parity between de factos and married, and as of right now in NSW, I don't believe there is any difference at all.

I'm not married myself but my "domestic partner" has all the normal rights of a wife - partner visa, children, tax returns, Medicare, joint property etc. You just have to prove you are in a de facto sometimes, whereas for married couples you just pull out the certificate. On the other hand, married couples have to actually divorce, whereas de factors just do a termination agreement (as heartless as that sounds) to divide up the property and whatever is to be done with children.

 

[cktiger]

I also don't get the Same Sex Marriage thing…Why is it such an issue...? **Is it just because they can't...?** I mean there are 1000's upon 1000's of hetro-sexual De-Facto relationships which have all the rights and responsibilities of married couple in death and taxes or that end in relationship breakdown(divorce)...Is it different for Same Sex Relationships..?..Are they not recognised by Law as the same...?

I am genuinely curious...If you love someone and are prepared to spend the rest of your life committed to them..What's a piece of paper...?

Hit it on the head.
It's only a beginning.
I think it's because **only heterosexuals can be married in a church**.
I'd go as far to say that if, and it will happen eventually, the government allowed civil unions (marriage) between gay couples the next step for the LGBT lobby will be to force churches into letting them marry.
I can't understand why gays want so much to be unhappy like the rest of us anyway!

 

[Mccarry]

Free speech - a term I remember…

Mrs Court expressed her view. Right or wrong it is her view. The issue here is not her view, its the bullying that she is now receiving due to expressing it.

Two months ago... The Coopers / bible society / parliament online ad where two Australians were discussing their views on gay marriage. One was in support, one was against and they were talking about it over a beer. What was the response - Coopers were bullied by the gay loby into taking it down after their customers were threatened with being boycotted.

Can anyone else see the irony.

It would be like the Wests Tigers coming on here and threatening to cancel memberships if people express a view that is negative to their position.

Having a view is a wonderful thing. Being told you can't hold or share a contrary view is Un-Australian.