Rorting the cap

[kiwitiger]

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[Newtown]

Fri 24 Jul, 2015, 2:08pm
NRL

The NRL will investigate allegations that undisclosed third party payments have been made to players at the Parramatta club.

Head of Integrity Nick Weeks said salary cap auditors will take up the matter, disclosed in the Sydney Morning Herald today, with the Parramatta club.

The salary cap is one of the main reasons we have the closest sporting competition in Australia, Mr Weeks said. We have already shown that we are prepared to take a hard line against breaches and these allegations will be investigated by the salary cap auditors.

Mr Weeks said the recent salary cap penalties and conditions imposed on the Parramatta club would give the NRL enhanced access to player remuneration records.

If these allegations are confirmed then the NRL will take appropriate action to ensure the integrity of the competition, he said.

 

[glebe_tiger]

**Yeah the system sucks to high heaven and the rich clubs will always be relatively successful** and will always find a way to bend the rules or skirt very close to the line.

Our problem is we haven't had the connections or fortitude to pull off the same arrangements.

Found this article, almost indicative of the current nrl table give or take couple teams that have flopped (parra, manly) or have surged somewhat (cowboys, storm).

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-rich-list-phil-rothfield-rates-your-clubs-financial-situation/story-fnp0lyn3-1227238947334

It"s called capitalism, you have to work hard and make money to progress.
Most fans done the bottom of the table want communism, where everyone has to be the same.

Ps, sorry to put this on your post but for years WT fans have moaned about other (successful teams) teams. Why should they be dragged back to our/sharks/parra level? Maybe we should be aiming higher?

No ones against hard work but if you want a perfect example of capitalism in competition sport look no further than the EPL, Serie A, Spanish Primera….same handful clubs fighting it out every year. I'm no commie but the NRL is a closer comp due to the cap even though some are exploiting it.

We should always aim higher but we've been hamstrung by years of infighting and mismanagement, pure and simple. We could have all the money in the world like parra and still be in the same position.

The only thing i want the same is the set of rules all clubs follow for tpa, clearly not all clubs are playing by the rules here.

 

[westTAHger]

Don't bother looking at the Eels, look at the roosters.
One day, they will be caught out for consistently rorting the salary cap.
They must have great " creative accountants " over there.

 

[innsaneink]

Not only Parra.
…another club....much higher profile and more successful. ..will get done as well.

 

[Yossarian]

Don't get upset people, it could be worse.

The NRL could introduce a promotion and relegation system.

I follow Chelsea in the EPL and it's a bloody good feeling that they will be in the race to win the league EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

We are the Leicester City of the NRL - our ambition is the same every year. Don't come last. High achievers.

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You've got a short memory. If it wasn't for the Russian petrodollars you'd could still be yo yoing between EPL and the Championship. Or worse.

My memories just fine thank you. We are not yo-yoing and that's my point because Chelsea now IS owned by Abromovich and he buys the best players and coaches around. I don't think that Terry, Costa et al care where their money comes from. Leicester City are the Yo-yoers hence my reference to the Wests Tigers - perrenial underachievers

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You were in the third tier in the 80s. Rangers went bust. Nobody is immune.

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

I just want to clear this up - payments by Obeid Jr are technically not rorting the salary cap, correct? There is player salary, plus TPAs with companies associated with the club, but any benefactor-type arrangements are outside the cap?

For example, if I was Uncle Harry, I could personally agree to sponsor / aid / help out (whatever you want to call it) particular players associated with the club I support, and Tigers would not have to declare such payments?

Isn't this what the Thoroughbreds do for Broncos?

I'm not upset at Parra or dirty on the NRL for not unearthing the issues - I want to know why Tigers aren't bending the rules in the same fashion?

Well TPA payments aren't supposed to have links to the club like that. So if the Chairman and/or the Leagues Club were arranging the payments through shell companies or fronts then it would be against the rules.

But the whole TPA is a mess. Why bother having a cap when you can just do this sort of thing.

If the NRL want to have an even salary cap to ensure an even competition they have to do something about TPAs. NRL is heading the way of the EPL , their will be the same 4-5 teams in top 4 every year if it continues.

For mine the biggest problem around TPAs is that they allow clubs to break/bend salary cap rules and have a far better roster than the Salary Cap allows.

The NRL can stop this by one of two ways if they wanted to:
1\. Ban TPAs and dock points from clubs that are found to break the rules.
2\. Allow TPAs but have a players minimum value under the Salary Cap determined by the NRL and you have to fit your top 25 under the NRL Salary Cap. This would work as for example the Broncos had TPAs in place for Darren Lockyer to make $1 million a year but put him in the cap at $300,000\. If the NRL determine he has to be put in at $800,000 a year under the cap, that would mean their is $500,000 less cap space for the Broncos for their other players.

Option 2 would work and wouldn't intefer with what an individual player could earn, if would just mean to have good players in your top 25, a lot of your top 25 would have to be lesser players. If this was brought in many squads would look worse than they currently are but the talent would be more evenly spread (which should be the NRL aim).

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I like option 2 also…

Allowing the NRL to determine the perceived value of a player through a ranking system will also spread talant, while not restricting players potential incomes away from the game.

I doubt anyone at NRL HQ has big enough balls though to suggest such an idea!

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

I like option 2 also…

Allowing the NRL to determine the perceived value of a player through a ranking system will also spread talant, while not restricting players potential incomes away from the game.

I doubt anyone at NRL HQ has big enough balls though to suggest such an idea!

I am sure they don't. NRL is run by self interest. It would make our competition unique. For mine we should be aiming for a NFL type competition, their hard salary cap ensures that clubs have a small window to be at the top and then have to re-build.

We could always try to do what the other clubs are doing and break/bend the Salary Cap. Souths showed you can start at the bottom a re-invent your club.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

That's for sure ink, nothing like an nrl 'level playing field'
So will the nrl do a serious investigation into this and wider references?
Of course they won't..

Andrew Gee should be banned from any contact with Rugby League in any circumstances, until he agrees to be interviewed over the salary cap issues at the Broncos.
What a con that was!

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

**Yeah the system sucks to high heaven and the rich clubs will always be relatively successful** and will always find a way to bend the rules or skirt very close to the line.

Our problem is we haven't had the connections or fortitude to pull off the same arrangements.

Found this article, almost indicative of the current nrl table give or take couple teams that have flopped (parra, manly) or have surged somewhat (cowboys, storm).

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-rich-list-phil-rothfield-rates-your-clubs-financial-situation/story-fnp0lyn3-1227238947334

It"s called capitalism, you have to work hard and make money to progress.
Most fans done the bottom of the table want communism, where everyone has to be the same.

Ps, sorry to put this on your post but for years WT fans have moaned about other (successful teams) teams. Why should they be dragged back to our/sharks/parra level? Maybe we should be aiming higher?

Its called cheating, and something at last may be done about it ( with the latest Parra joke)
If the League doesn't step in now and get serious about, the last small amount of credibility that the Commission has, will evaporate. Grant may as well resign anyway , he does nothing.

Otherwise get rid of the cap if it's not workable. And let the clubs who can't earn more money drop out. There's no point in some clubs abiding by the rules, and some not
The League just look so stupid

 

[kiwitiger]

**Yeah the system sucks to high heaven and the rich clubs will always be relatively successful** and will always find a way to bend the rules or skirt very close to the line.

Our problem is we haven't had the connections or fortitude to pull off the same arrangements.

Found this article, almost indicative of the current nrl table give or take couple teams that have flopped (parra, manly) or have surged somewhat (cowboys, storm).

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-rich-list-phil-rothfield-rates-your-clubs-financial-situation/story-fnp0lyn3-1227238947334

It"s called capitalism, you have to work hard and make money to progress.
Most fans done the bottom of the table want communism, where everyone has to be the same.

Ps, sorry to put this on your post but for years WT fans have moaned about other (successful teams) teams. Why should they be dragged back to our/sharks/parra level? Maybe we should be aiming higher?

Its called cheating, and something at last may be done about it ( with the latest Parra joke)
If the League doesn't step in now and get serious about, the last small amount of credibility that the Commission has, will evaporate. Grant may as well resign anyway , he does nothing.

**Otherwise get rid of the cap if it's not workable. And let the clubs who can't earn more money drop out. There's no point in some clubs abiding by the rules, and some not
The League just so look stupid**

Agree completely. It's not working and looks like a joke, so should be scraped. TPAs are a joke, and if clubs can't get there crap together that's their problem.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I just want to clear this up - payments by Obeid Jr are technically not rorting the salary cap, correct? There is player salary, plus TPAs with companies associated with the club, but any benefactor-type arrangements are outside the cap?

For example, if I was Uncle Harry, I could personally agree to sponsor / aid / help out (whatever you want to call it) particular players associated with the club I support, and Tigers would not have to declare such payments?

Isn't this what the Thoroughbreds do for Broncos?

I'm not upset at Parra or dirty on the NRL for not unearthing the issues - I want to know why Tigers aren't bending the rules in the same fashion?

Well TPA payments aren't supposed to have links to the club like that. So if the Chairman and/or the Leagues Club were arranging the payments through shell companies or fronts then it would be against the rules.

But the whole TPA is a mess. Why bother having a cap when you can just do this sort of thing.

If the NRL want to have an even salary cap to ensure an even competition they have to do something about TPAs. NRL is heading the way of the EPL , their will be the same 4-5 teams in top 4 every year if it continues.

For mine the biggest problem around TPAs is that they allow clubs to break/bend salary cap rules and have a far better roster than the Salary Cap allows.

The NRL can stop this by one of two ways if they wanted to:
1\. Ban TPAs and dock points from clubs that are found to break the rules.
2\. Allow TPAs but have a players minimum value under the Salary Cap determined by the NRL and you have to fit your top 25 under the NRL Salary Cap. This would work as for example the Broncos had TPAs in place for Darren Lockyer to make $1 million a year but put him in the cap at $300,000\. If the NRL determine he has to be put in at $800,000 a year under the cap, that would mean their is $500,000 less cap space for the Broncos for their other players.

Option 2 would work and wouldn't intefer with what an individual player could earn, if would just mean to have good players in your top 25, a lot of your top 25 would have to be lesser players. If this was brought in many squads would look worse than they currently are but the talent would be more evenly spread (which should be the NRL aim).

Works in SuperCoach lol

 

[Tiger_Watto]

**Yeah the system sucks to high heaven and the rich clubs will always be relatively successful** and will always find a way to bend the rules or skirt very close to the line.

Our problem is we haven't had the connections or fortitude to pull off the same arrangements.

Found this article, almost indicative of the current nrl table give or take couple teams that have flopped (parra, manly) or have surged somewhat (cowboys, storm).

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-rich-list-phil-rothfield-rates-your-clubs-financial-situation/story-fnp0lyn3-1227238947334

It"s called capitalism, you have to work hard and make money to progress.
Most fans done the bottom of the table want communism, where everyone has to be the same.

Ps, sorry to put this on your post but for years WT fans have moaned about other (successful teams) teams. Why should they be dragged back to our/sharks/parra level? Maybe we should be aiming higher?

Its called cheating, and something at last may be done about it ( with the latest Parra joke)
If the League doesn't step in now and get serious about, the last small amount of credibility that the Commission has, will evaporate. Grant may as well resign anyway , he does nothing.

Otherwise get rid of the cap if it's not workable. And let the clubs who can't earn more money drop out. There's no point in some clubs abiding by the rules, and some not
The League just look so stupid

The ARLC have nothing to do with the Salary Cap.

Thats managed by the NRL, David Smith & Co

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[goldcoast_tiger]

**Yeah the system sucks to high heaven and the rich clubs will always be relatively successful** and will always find a way to bend the rules or skirt very close to the line.

Our problem is we haven't had the connections or fortitude to pull off the same arrangements.

Found this article, almost indicative of the current nrl table give or take couple teams that have flopped (parra, manly) or have surged somewhat (cowboys, storm).

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-rich-list-phil-rothfield-rates-your-clubs-financial-situation/story-fnp0lyn3-1227238947334

It"s called capitalism, you have to work hard and make money to progress.
Most fans done the bottom of the table want communism, where everyone has to be the same.

Ps, sorry to put this on your post but for years WT fans have moaned about other (successful teams) teams. Why should they be dragged back to our/sharks/parra level? Maybe we should be aiming higher?

Its called cheating, and something at last may be done about it ( with the latest Parra joke)
If the League doesn't step in now and get serious about, the last small amount of credibility that the Commission has, will evaporate. Grant may as well resign anyway , he does nothing.

Otherwise get rid of the cap if it's not workable. And let the clubs who can't earn more money drop out. There's no point in some clubs abiding by the rules, and some not
The League just look so stupid

The ARLC have nothing to do with the Salary Cap.

Thats managed by the NRL, David Smith & Co

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No probs Watto, thanks