Rothfield’s weekly dribble

[Guest]

Off the field, things may be going well for the club. But the on-field performances and everything that ties in with that is nothing short of disgraceful and laughable. It's a really disappointing time to try and support this club.

 

[jirskyr]

The Buzz article is silly and simply trying to generate another article out of the same old by-line.

The two best teams in the comp, by a very wide margin, are Storm and Penrith. Both teams have become successful by building a strong juniors-based roster, not by signing big-name targets.

Souths achieved their initial success by doing the same thing, except under Bennett have had a bit more pulling power the last few seasons - Latrell, Arrow etc. However the fundamentals of Souths' success are their own core developments - Reynolds, Walker, Cook, Murray, Johnston, Keary, Crichton etc.

Parramatta also largely building success under their own developments - Gutherson, Dylan Brown, Mahoney, Radradra, Sivo. Eels I would argue have the most other-club signings of the Top 4. I know Gutherson is from Manly but he was not nexperienced (5 games only) and not established when Parramatta signed him.

So I can't ever remember Tigers making a proper offer for Moylan. My recollection was some kind of discussion but the terms requested were laughable, and Moylan stayed put at Cronulla, and has been Cronulla's big overpaid problem for the past 3-4 seasons.

In fact I'd argue it's the deals you make that are far more long-reaching than the deals you don't make. I'm happy not to sign the Tevita Pangais and Addo-Carrs if it means we don't sign the Mbyes, Reynolds and Packers. Because Sharks and Bulldogs, being put forward as benchmarks of 2021 recruitment, have a horror history of recent signings and there's no specific reason to think that's going to change, except speculative optimism.

 

[avocadoontoast]

we are not a very well run club and can’t even get our offers in smoothly. If it was not true then people like Woodford would not mention it and we have seen it with tpj and finucane.

You don't know any of this to be true. You can have your opinions, fine, but stop asserting that things are true because someone made a comment in the paper.

What does Simon Woolford know about anything? When is the last time someone went to Simon Woolford to ask his opinion? Next they'll start asking Alan Tongue, but at least Alan Tongue is respectable.

Do you think we are a well run club?

Shouldn't we know the truth of what has actually happened, before we make that decision, or do we just go with the current Wagga Kangaroos coach (I believe) assertions (if he did actually make them)?

BTW, not returning someone's call, if it did happen, (is not good) but it's hardly the tipping point to say we are not a very well run club?

I think it would be very very hard to convince anyone that's not a rusted on WT supporter that we are a well run club.

Of course I'm a firm supporter of the club, I think the club is heading in the right direction, but I just don't choose to believe things, unless there is clear evidence.

I am not up to date with all that happened here, but has it been confirmed that the Twitter post as in fact from Simon Woolford?

My comment wasn't in relation to Simon Woolford. I was just asking if we are a well run club.

 

[TigerWest]

we are not a very well run club and can’t even get our offers in smoothly. If it was not true then people like Woodford would not mention it and we have seen it with tpj and finucane.

You don't know any of this to be true. You can have your opinions, fine, but stop asserting that things are true because someone made a comment in the paper.

What does Simon Woolford know about anything? When is the last time someone went to Simon Woolford to ask his opinion? Next they'll start asking Alan Tongue, but at least Alan Tongue is respectable.

Do you think we are a well run club?

Shouldn't we know the truth of what has actually happened, before we make that decision, or do we just go with the current Wagga Kangaroos coach (I believe) assertions (if he did actually make them)?

BTW, not returning someone's call, if it did happen, (is not good) but it's hardly the tipping point to say we are not a very well run club?

I think it would be very very hard to convince anyone that's not a rusted on WT supporter that we are a well run club.

Of course I'm a firm supporter of the club, I think the club is heading in the right direction, but I just don't choose to believe things, unless there is clear evidence.

I am not up to date with all that happened here, but has it been confirmed that the Twitter post as in fact from Simon Woolford?

My comment wasn't in relation to Simon Woolford. I was just asking if we are a well run club.

OK, but you did reply with your comment, after someone was discussing SW, that's all.

 

[jirskyr]

we are not a very well run club and can’t even get our offers in smoothly. If it was not true then people like Woodford would not mention it and we have seen it with tpj and finucane.

You don't know any of this to be true. You can have your opinions, fine, but stop asserting that things are true because someone made a comment in the paper.

What does Simon Woolford know about anything? When is the last time someone went to Simon Woolford to ask his opinion? Next they'll start asking Alan Tongue, but at least Alan Tongue is respectable.

you are always pro the club the club can do no wrong
we made an offer at the death to Dale finucane, woolford is just giving his opinion he is allowed to state what has happened to him
you do not know it is not true

I didn't say I was pro and I didn't say they can do no wrong. It's like you don't actually read or listen to what I say. I said you don't know that the things you are claiming are true. By all means, go ahead and criticise Tigers on the things that are factual, provable, known, confirmed - lack of wins, lack of high-level recruits, lack of consistency.

But don't support those arguments with rumours, it's ridiculous. You use newspaper shock-journalism as support for arguments. You use/quote Buzz Rothfield. It's a joke.

Yes Woolford can state his opinion, but I don't have to disprove his opinion. I am not giving Simon Woolford's opinion any weight. It's one dude. For sure, go find 100 people on twitter who share Simon Woolford's informed opinion, then you have something.

 

[cqtiger]

Anyone who reads Buzz’s opinion pieces in the DT and uses them as fact is not the full quid.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

we are not a very well run club and can’t even get our offers in smoothly. If it was not true then people like Woodford would not mention it and we have seen it with tpj and finucane.

You don't know any of this to be true. You can have your opinions, fine, but stop asserting that things are true because someone made a comment in the paper.

What does Simon Woolford know about anything? When is the last time someone went to Simon Woolford to ask his opinion? Next they'll start asking Alan Tongue, but at least Alan Tongue is respectable.

you are always pro the club the club can do no wrong
we made an offer at the death to Dale finucane, woolford is just giving his opinion he is allowed to state what has happened to him
you do not know it is not true

I didn't say I was pro and I didn't say they can do no wrong. It's like you don't actually read or listen to what I say. I said you don't know that the things you are claiming are true. By all means, go ahead and criticise Tigers on the things that are factual, provable, known, confirmed - lack of wins, lack of high-level recruits, lack of consistency.

But don't support those arguments with rumours, it's ridiculous. You use newspaper shock-journalism as support for arguments. You use/quote Buzz Rothfield. It's a joke.

Yes Woolford can state his opinion, but I don't have to disprove his opinion. I am not giving Simon Woolford's opinion any weight. It's one dude. For sure, go find 100 people on twitter who share Simon Woolford's informed opinion, then you have something.

good for you just because you don't believe what woolford said and backed up by our flip flopping with tpj and last minute offer to finucane others do. Facts have been shown the late offers and stuff ups.

 

[avocadoontoast]

we are not a very well run club and can’t even get our offers in smoothly. If it was not true then people like Woodford would not mention it and we have seen it with tpj and finucane.

You don't know any of this to be true. You can have your opinions, fine, but stop asserting that things are true because someone made a comment in the paper.

What does Simon Woolford know about anything? When is the last time someone went to Simon Woolford to ask his opinion? Next they'll start asking Alan Tongue, but at least Alan Tongue is respectable.

you are always pro the club the club can do no wrong
we made an offer at the death to Dale finucane, woolford is just giving his opinion he is allowed to state what has happened to him
you do not know it is not true

I didn't say I was pro and I didn't say they can do no wrong. It's like you don't actually read or listen to what I say. I said you don't know that the things you are claiming are true. By all means, go ahead and criticise Tigers on the things that are factual, provable, known, confirmed - lack of wins, lack of high-level recruits, lack of consistency.

But don't support those arguments with rumours, it's ridiculous. You use newspaper shock-journalism as support for arguments. You use/quote Buzz Rothfield. It's a joke.

Yes Woolford can state his opinion, but I don't have to disprove his opinion. I am not giving Simon Woolford's opinion any weight. It's one dude. For sure, go find 100 people on twitter who share Simon Woolford's informed opinion, then you have something.

So you're saying that the only information we should use to judge the club is that coming from the club itself?

 

[Newtown]

Has all this to do with a wish to bring a new Queensland team into the NRL at the expense of Wests Tigers but definitely not Cronulla?

 

[Kelce68]

The game plan is clear posted it a few times re Flanagan. There are a few sympathising with Madge as there is more to the story. What I’ve heard from people with a good idea is we are asleep at the wheel with scouting and showing up to get deals done with players. Somethings up and it’s not all the coach.

As soon as Maguire comes under the microscope the mantra "look over there" emanates. He is accountable for the atrocious defence and must go.


We had one player miss 11 of the 48 missed tackles against Manly. We have an inexperienced roster not playing as a team, because they not only don’t know each other, but they are still learning to play . I honestly believe this is a true reflection of the entire organisation, and if that’s the case, sacking the coach will not fix it.

One player did miss many tackles but this appalling defence has been there all year. This is Maguire's third year and surely has had sufficient tenure to imprint his defensive structure on the team. Enough with the excuses, it's time for him to go.

Surely? No. He certainly hasn't.

This club was always a 5/6 year proposition from the moment he took over, despite what we want it to be.

3 years to clear the cap.
3 years to repair the culture and reputation.

This is the only way forward to break to cycle of cyclical mediocrity.

 

[GarryOwen]

We seem to be getting our act together off the field in terms of commercial deals and financial stability, which is good.
But the core product, the football team, has been a shambles for 10 years.
The club doesn't recruit well and it doesn't develop well - either in house our external products. There are a few exceptions, but ultimately, this is a club with a long history of poor performance.
We can't see what happens behind closed doors, but we see the outcomes of the process ~25 weekends a year.
Ignoring tabloid journos, ex-players on social media and what not - the club is flat out bad at it's core business of running a successful rugby league team.

 

[Telltails]

It's pretty clear that the fans are far more attracted to reading about drama - whether they believe it or not - than reading about anything positive.
Even when we were travelling well - way back - the media created a story about Farah and Benji not getting along and division in the squad absolute bull and denied by both but the media would not let it go and people believed it.
We are not going well in the recruitment dept and until that changes the media will point arrows at who ever they choose because they know it will generate reactions.

 

[jadtiger]

Flanagan will attract players …Maguire doesn’t that’s Fact !

No.That is an opinion it is not a fact

 

[jrtiger]

the only thing that is in the club's control is the way they sell the club. the hesitancy with the TPJ and Finucane deals highlights that we're divided in who we're going after in the market. I'm sure if we didn't hesitate on TPJ he probably would've played for us last night, and we wouldn't have gone after Finucane as a result. there is no need to deviate from the plan just because Rothfield has hit the turps and rambled in his weekly column.

it's simple. if we're after a player we need to back ourselves to the hilt. get Lee out of the media or at the very least stop him from commenting on recruitment matters. if we're sticking with Madge, put the message out and target the players that will play for him. continue to poach elite talent stuck in other systems and develop them here. it's the only way up. who cares about established players, if they don't want to come to us then build it without them.

everything that is going on in the media is noise. Chammas, Rothfield and Crawley are gronks who write to drive up website traffic. we string a few performances together and finish the year strong then the heat dies down.

 

[Demps]

Don't know why anyone puts any stock into what that old alcoholic says about anything.

You see him on NRL360 and he has to wear a sports jacket over his shirt because he is sweating so profusely from the grog, and he shakes like a dog passing razor blades.

That's what passes for sports journalism these days.

Alkaline Trio reference?

Don't listen to them. What was the reference?

https://youtu.be/QUV-WqhuihM

 

[TYGA]

The real question is are we in a long term rebuild as we should be or are we trying to sign our way out of trouble.

I judge by actions and not words but to date we were actively seeking Pangai Jr, Latrell, JAC, Finucane amongst other rumours. We have signed no one.

There are mixed messages from a long term rebuild and a short term fix. This tells me we lack competency in management. Buzz is a flog looking to damage the club and get his mate a job. I suspect what Paul Kent has said is more on the money we can’t get deals done.

Negotiations are hard it’s what I do for a living in a different field. Hard heads with connections across the game make things happen. I suspect we are out of our depth in the area of negotiating with player managers, other clubs and selling the club to the right players.

Targeting players and missing does brand damage we need to stay out of it until we can field a decent team of our own and then sell the club. I don’t prescribe to the dogs method either paying overs won’t help us long term.

Set the strategy and stick to it.

 

[jadtiger]

So I can’t ever remember Tigers making a proper offer for Moylan. My recollection was some kind of discussion but the terms requested were laughable, and Moylan stayed put at Cronulla, and has been Cronulla’s big overpaid problem for the past 3-4 seasons.

Buzz is just annoyed we didnt sign the overpaid lemon off the shonks and they where stuck with him

 

[Geo]

Look at the replies in this thread.. well played Buzzard you old gronk…

 

[dazza65]

This is a very interesting piece of research I found - I absolutely believe this is true and it is partly why modern day clickbait media is as it is and will continue to be so

"Compared with headlines that contained neither positive (“always” or “best”) nor negative (“never” or “worst”) superlatives, headlines with ******positive superlatives performed 29% worse****** and headlines with negative superlatives performed 30% better.

**The average click-through rate on headlines with negative superlatives was a staggering 63% higher than that of their positive counterparts.**".

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The game plan is clear posted it a few times re Flanagan. There are a few sympathising with Madge as there is more to the story. What I’ve heard from people with a good idea is we are asleep at the wheel with scouting and showing up to get deals done with players. Somethings up and it’s not all the coach.

As soon as Maguire comes under the microscope the mantra "look over there" emanates. He is accountable for the atrocious defence and must go.


We had one player miss 11 of the 48 missed tackles against Manly. We have an inexperienced roster not playing as a team, because they not only don’t know each other, but they are still learning to play . I honestly believe this is a true reflection of the entire organisation, and if that’s the case, sacking the coach will not fix it.

One player did miss many tackles but this appalling defence has been there all year. This is Maguire's third year and surely has had sufficient tenure to imprint his defensive structure on the team. Enough with the excuses, it's time for him to go.

Surely? No. He certainly hasn't.

This club was always a 5/6 year proposition from the moment he took over, despite what we want it to be.

3 years to clear the cap.
3 years to repair the culture and reputation.

This is the only way forward to break to cycle of cyclical mediocrity.

He's perpetuating the mediocrity. It is a poor reflection on the club he still is in place.