Round 11 SPOILERS

I dont believe theyre attempting to fix a result as you say, but Ive long suspected some refs go into games with preconceived ideas on how things will go, I believe there's favoritism, I believe refs get personal and lose sight of their job
 
Dogs played fairly well aginst the Sharks, they were in it til 10 to go before the sharks got over them…for a team with not a lot of attack they can hang in.
Wont be easy game for us at all...hopefully J Morris misses our game
 
On the ref thing when things are missed it is usually because they are looking at the play and miss something out of there side vision or aren’t 100% sure so hold back. It’s easy to say you missed this and that when watching on the TV at home because 1\. you are not understand the pressure of making a decision in a moment.
2\. You’re not under fatigue
3\. You’ve generally good a good angle without other bodies in the way.
4\. You aren’t trying to get in position.

I like Happy’s idea of a ref on fox - they did have a similar style show on NRL.com when Archer was ref boss where they looked at and explained decisions.
 
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Look maybe we **just need to ask the refs who the Top 8 , Top 4 and premiers will be each season**

Just had to nick out to BCF and the ABC Grandstand blokes are just blowing up , missed the two sin binnings

I'm heading towards this point of view. I can't remember a season as farcical as this in the refereeing stakes. Maybe it's the NRS's 'enforce everything' position this season, after years of coaches manipulating the rules and getting away with it, that is leaving ref's, coaches and players confused. I'm glad the NRL cracking down because it had to happen but until they have it sorted across the board it is going to look really ugly…......... and boring

I can deal with them enforcing the rules

But in the space of 90 seconds in the Cowboys -Souths game they miss 4 players all offside all within the 10 metres when Feldt drops the short drop out

And then go 80 metres downfield and catch Granville offside

My point is this , if the refs are this bad , the game has a massive problem

My issue is I don't think they are that bad , they miss stuff and then hope that results fall a particular way
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You could cop it if they explained post game or on their own show on Fox why particular decisions were made

Show would rate very well too imo , most would watch to find out why

If they make a mistake admit to it , gain some credibility that way

Mistakes happen , none of us are perfect , but at least if you own your mistakes and show accountability people can deal with it

True ??

Well if anyone truly believes that the refs are crook and determining the result then why do they watch the game? For me it is more a question of competence. If I get to the point I believe that they are fixing a result I'll be gone.

I'm trying to think of the best way to word this , lets try this , Refs feel under pressure if the favoured side doesn't win

I guess like everyone this is their career , and when they ref and lots of favourites lose people ask questions

Easier on a 50/50 call to penalize the team expected to lose , home side, less rated player , you get where I'm going …

Just remember my comments were based on that game , watch the replay , how do you miss 4 players offside on arguably the 2nd biggest play in the game ??
 
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Dugan sin bin in final minute.

Sin bin in every game this weekend….

How ridiculous is it…
From the twal binning...
Dylan walker getting sent off for being punched in The head.

It's very misused imo.

Walker plays for Manly, ought to be marched just for that.
 
Yeah this score has happened
Dragons 25 Raiders 18.

Now just waiting for footy gods for to smile and a score of:
wests tigers 25
opponents 18
 
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Yeah this score has happened
Dragons 25 Raiders 18.

Now just waiting for footy gods for to smile and a score of:
wests tigers 25
opponents 18

Yeah, my thoughts were with you when I caught the final score. You are certainly persistent.
 
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I'm heading towards this point of view. I can't remember a season as farcical as this in the refereeing stakes. Maybe it's the NRS's 'enforce everything' position this season, after years of coaches manipulating the rules and getting away with it, that is leaving ref's, coaches and players confused. I'm glad the NRL cracking down because it had to happen but until they have it sorted across the board it is going to look really ugly…......... and boring

I can deal with them enforcing the rules

But in the space of 90 seconds in the Cowboys -Souths game they miss 4 players all offside all within the 10 metres when Feldt drops the short drop out

And then go 80 metres downfield and catch Granville offside

My point is this , if the refs are this bad , the game has a massive problem

My issue is I don't think they are that bad , they miss stuff and then hope that results fall a particular way
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You could cop it if they explained post game or on their own show on Fox why particular decisions were made

Show would rate very well too imo , most would watch to find out why

If they make a mistake admit to it , gain some credibility that way

Mistakes happen , none of us are perfect , but at least if you own your mistakes and show accountability people can deal with it

True ??

Well if anyone truly believes that the refs are crook and determining the result then why do they watch the game? For me it is more a question of competence. If I get to the point I believe that they are fixing a result I'll be gone.

I'm trying to think of the best way to word this , lets try this , Refs feel under pressure if the favoured side doesn't win

I guess like everyone this is their career , and when they ref and lots of favourites lose people ask questions

Easier on a 50/50 call to penalize the team expected to lose , home side, less rated player , you get where I'm going …

Just remember my comments were based on that game , watch the replay , how do you miss 4 players offside on arguably the 2nd biggest play in the game ??

I think that it is almost naturally the case that as Ink said 'refs have a preconceived idea of how things will go'. That is human nature.
However with all of the high tech scrutiny (and resulting criticism) they are performing under I don't believe they would push that envelope deliberately.
I think that the current crackdown on basic play has highlighted referee decision making. I hope that if the NRL is interested in maintaining viewer interest it will be reviewing the referee decisions made, and how they influenced the outcome, in each game.
 
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What do you guys reckon about the Napa hit?

I reckon he did lead with the head and it was reckless. He leans and rises far too high, only ever made contact with the opponent's head; if it was his arm, he'd have been in trouble too. That whole set was full of Roosters guys trying to launch themselves in the tackle.

Considering a guy can be binned now for backing through the ruck or being offside a 3rd time, I can't see how so many people are complaining that Napa got binned for a dangerous action.

I'm sure he didn't intend it, but that's not the point, and how were the Broncos having to field one less bloke because Napa's head is like a scud missile?

They've shown no balls in then not suspending him afterwards, takes away all the credit of the referees trying to penalise safer play.

Refs got it wrong …
Nothing in it .

Except the fact he lead with his head until his head came into contact with the face of the victim.

Left field but does anyone think it's a modified shoulder charge

Yes I do think it's a modified s/c. I still can't understand people defending Napa, and the front-on shot isn't as good a picture, but the wide-angle side-on shot shows just how bad an attempt it is.

Shoulder charges were outlawed because it became apparent that they were dangerous, after 100 years of being in the game. Shoulder charges often work just fine, but they also often come off badly and result in unnecessary concussions, which we have learned are dangerous over time to footballers.

Here Napa barely gets below chest height at any time, then rises into the tackle. By the time he's reached Sims he's above shoulder height and still rising, arms out to the side… he literally doesn't have his arms even to parallel by the time he's headbutted Sims in the face.
Some commentators saying head collisions are in inevitable part of the game and you can't remove your head from the front of the tackle action. Yeah sure, but how many head clashes in the NRL are between top of skull with jaw? Most head clashes are face-on-face or temples, and often from friendly fire. The only way to clash your skull with someone's face (whilst they are standing) is to attack the headspace with your head, and that should be outlawed.

Other commentators say Sims stepped into it - if he had stayed his course, Napa would still have either headbutted him or collected him with his left shoulder, because he was just far too high and not attempting to get his shoulders in place.

Think about it yourself, if you are setting for a tackle like Napa, left shoulder, and someone steps off his right foot (towards your right shoulder), the normal reaction is to turn your head left and try and take the tackle right shoulder. Because if you don't, you are putting your head into the path of the runner and often that ends badly.

In other words, you need to take the tackle on the shoulder that he runs at, not simply the shoulder you start off lining up with. Most players will do this and end up with their head behind the runner, safely away.

Napa instead sets left, gets stepped to his right and just follows through at head-height, so his head connects. If he keeps doing this, he's going to either break his own neck or continue head-butting guys in the face, because you can't tackle people around the head, doesn't matter if it's your arms or head. Napa essentially often leads with his head because he sets his shoulder and commits to the tackle far too early far too often - sometimes this means a beautiful shot, because he's in place with full weight into the action, and sometimes he destroys someone's head.

In fact I think Napa is potentially more dangerous yet some how treated more leniently because it was his head. If it was a shoulder or a loose arm nobody would be complaining about the punishment, but some people think he should be let off because he caught the guy with his head.
 
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Refs got it wrong …
Nothing in it .

Except the fact he lead with his head until his head came into contact with the face of the victim.

Left field but does anyone think it's a modified shoulder charge

Yes I do think it's a modified s/c. I still can't understand people defending Napa, and the front-on shot isn't as good a picture, but the wide-angle side-on shot shows just how bad an attempt it is.

Shoulder charges were outlawed because it became apparent that they were dangerous, after 100 years of being in the game. Shoulder charges often work just fine, but they also often come off badly and result in unnecessary concussions, which we have learned are dangerous over time to footballers.

Here Napa barely gets below chest height at any time, then rises into the tackle. By the time he's reached Sims he's above shoulder height and still rising, arms out to the side… he literally doesn't have his arms even to parallel by the time he's headbutted Sims in the face.
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Some commentators saying head collisions are in inevitable part of the game and you can't remove your head from the front of the tackle action. Yeah sure, but how many head clashes in the NRL are between top of skull with jaw? Most head clashes are face-on-face or temples, and often from friendly fire. The only way to clash your skull with someone's face (whilst they are standing) is to attack the headspace with your head, and that should be outlawed.

Other commentators say Sims stepped into it - if he had stayed his course, Napa would still have either headbutted him or collected him with his left shoulder, because he was just far too high and not attempting to get his shoulders in place.

Think about it yourself, if you are setting for a tackle like Napa, left shoulder, and someone steps off his right foot (towards your right shoulder), the normal reaction is to turn your head left and try and take the tackle right shoulder. Because if you don't, you are putting your head into the path of the runner and often that ends badly.

In other words, you need to take the tackle on the shoulder that he runs at, not simply the shoulder you start off lining up with. Most players will do this and end up with their head behind the runner, safely away.

Napa instead sets left, gets stepped to his right and just follows through at head-height, so his head connects. If he keeps doing this, he's going to either break his own neck or continue head-butting guys in the face, because you can't tackle people around the head, doesn't matter if it's your arms or head. Napa essentially often leads with his head because he sets his shoulder and commits to the tackle far too early far too often - sometimes this means a beautiful shot, because he's in place with full weight into the action, and sometimes he destroys someone's head.

In fact I think Napa is potentially more dangerous yet some how treated more leniently because it was his head. If it was a shoulder or a loose arm nobody would be complaining about the punishment, but some people think he should be let off because he caught the guy with his head.

I've got no idea how he got away with it. His action seems to be of headbutting similar to the master NMyles himself during origin games. It's just plain stupidity to let him go - he didn't mean it then it is careless. Don't careless tackles get suspension too?
 
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Refs got it wrong …
Nothing in it .

Except the fact he lead with his head until his head came into contact with the face of the victim.

Left field but does anyone think it's a modified shoulder charge

Yes I do think it's a modified s/c. I still can't understand people defending Napa, and the front-on shot isn't as good a picture, but the wide-angle side-on shot shows just how bad an attempt it is.

Shoulder charges were outlawed because it became apparent that they were dangerous, after 100 years of being in the game. Shoulder charges often work just fine, but they also often come off badly and result in unnecessary concussions, which we have learned are dangerous over time to footballers.

Here Napa barely gets below chest height at any time, then rises into the tackle. By the time he's reached Sims he's above shoulder height and still rising, arms out to the side… he literally doesn't have his arms even to parallel by the time he's headbutted Sims in the face.
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Some commentators saying head collisions are in inevitable part of the game and you can't remove your head from the front of the tackle action. Yeah sure, but how many head clashes in the NRL are between top of skull with jaw? Most head clashes are face-on-face or temples, and often from friendly fire. The only way to clash your skull with someone's face (whilst they are standing) is to attack the headspace with your head, and that should be outlawed.

Other commentators say Sims stepped into it - if he had stayed his course, Napa would still have either headbutted him or collected him with his left shoulder, because he was just far too high and not attempting to get his shoulders in place.

Think about it yourself, if you are setting for a tackle like Napa, left shoulder, and someone steps off his right foot (towards your right shoulder), the normal reaction is to turn your head left and try and take the tackle right shoulder. Because if you don't, you are putting your head into the path of the runner and often that ends badly.

In other words, you need to take the tackle on the shoulder that he runs at, not simply the shoulder you start off lining up with. Most players will do this and end up with their head behind the runner, safely away.

Napa instead sets left, gets stepped to his right and just follows through at head-height, so his head connects. If he keeps doing this, he's going to either break his own neck or continue head-butting guys in the face, because you can't tackle people around the head, doesn't matter if it's your arms or head. Napa essentially often leads with his head because he sets his shoulder and commits to the tackle far too early far too often - sometimes this means a beautiful shot, because he's in place with full weight into the action, and sometimes he destroys someone's head.

In fact I think Napa is potentially more dangerous yet some how treated more leniently because it was his head. If it was a shoulder or a loose arm nobody would be complaining about the punishment, but some people think he should be let off because he caught the guy with his head.

Tackles go wrong unfortunately , get your timing out by half a second …...

Is any questioning the tackle made by the Yates on ET that knocked him out ??

Not exactly the same I know , but the body comes in contact before the arms make contact and that should be the issue
 
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Tackles go wrong unfortunately , get your timing out by half a second …...

Is any questioning the tackle made by the Yates on ET that knocked him out ??

Not exactly the same I know , but the body comes in contact before the arms make contact and that should be the issue

Pretty sure Yates copped ET with a shoulder hit on the chest? Rattled him good but legal tackle.

And then as you say, body contact first. Body on body is fine, so long as head contact is left out.

Napa attacked the head-space of the runner. Don't care if it's arms or head or feet or elbows, it's not on. Absolutely he got his timing wrong and that's the same reason why they outlawed the shoulder charge, because people kept getting their timing wrong.

Sam Burgess got two weeks for this hit on Sezer - no raised arm, upright stance, Sezer has ducked into the tackle, Burgess makes contact around the shoulder and neck. He didn't launch himself, but he accidentally attacked the head with his arm.
Napa gets off, why? Because he can't control his head? Absolutely he can.
 
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Tackles go wrong unfortunately , get your timing out by half a second …...

Is any questioning the tackle made by the Yates on ET that knocked him out ??

Not exactly the same I know , but the body comes in contact before the arms make contact and that should be the issue

Pretty sure Yates copped ET with a shoulder hit on the chest? Rattled him good but legal tackle.

And then as you say, body contact first. Body on body is fine, so long as head contact is left out.

Napa attacked the head-space of the runner. Don't care if it's arms or head or feet or elbows, it's not on. Absolutely he got his timing wrong and that's the same reason why they outlawed the shoulder charge, because people kept getting their timing wrong.

Sam Burgess got two weeks for this hit on Sezer - no raised arm, upright stance, Sezer has ducked into the tackle, Burgess makes contact around the shoulder and neck. He didn't launch himself, but he accidentally attacked the head with his arm.

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Napa gets off, why? Because he can't control his head? Absolutely he can.

It ended up being a HIA , unless we were playing the game :astonished:
 
So it is safe to say that if someone copies how Napa did that tackle, he will get off scott free. That's very re-assuring that you will still play on and not get suspended. (don't talk to me that he didn't intend it to happen - he launched himself in a way that he was about to headbutt someone).

Agree with you jirskyr, he can control his head… I am still surprised that he got away with it.
 
At the very least it was a shoulder charge in my books and his hands were wrapping around anything.

If you can't suspend him one way then suspend him on the other.
 
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So it is safe to say that if someone copies how Napa did that tackle, he will get off scott free. That's very re-assuring that you will still play on and not get suspended. (don't talk to me that he didn't intend it to happen - he launched himself in a way that he was about to headbutt someone).

Agree with you jirskyr, he can control his head… I am still surprised that he got away with it.

I agree , any tackle that a player doesn't make contact with their hands /arm /shoulder first is an issue

What I'm saying tackles go wrong so quickly , as I raised with someone recently on the Forum , take a reaction tackle when you get caught on the wrong foot and they step inside you and you coathanger them high …...

Must admit I haven't seen the Napa tackle at full speed yet though
 
it was an intentional head butt. He makes no effort to hit with arms or shoulder. He launched him self at Sims.
 
Substitute elbow for head and he gets six weeks.
The photographic evidence is damning - how anyone can say he didn't lead with his head - when it was first point of contact - is simply fanciful.
 
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