LIVE GAME Round 14 v Panthers

[BAGNF05]

Hi Team,

Late to this thread as I had visitors from the Riff down for the long weekend. I was outnumbered around the tele 5-1, but all of us thought it was a great game where the result could have been different had 50/50 calls been reversed. I'm not going to rehash what has been done to death here already, but, I thought it it may be interesting for some to hear the thoughts of what the Penrith supporters had to say on a few incidents live.

In relation to the two Luai penalties. We had divided opinions on the escort - I thought he had a right to stand his ground the Panthers here thought Martin was obstructed. After the replays we agreed that the decsion could have gone either way and gave the whistle blower the benefit of the doubt. On putting the kicker in a dangerous postion not one of us thought it should have been a penalty; and despite what Annesley came out with this morning I still do not believe that was a penalty. However, it is a perception thing and the officials percieved it differently so we just have to live with it and get on with the game.

I think the same goes for the Sorenson tackle - it could easily be preceived as a hip drop and penalised - but it wasn't so play on.

The truth of it all is that is we were a better side these would not be defining moments - they would be taken in stride and we go on to win. We aren't too far off that being the case for us and we are building.

If you really want to look to what lost us the game we should focus on the tackles missed by Mason, the below FG efforts from AD, and the poor edge defence at times.

I'm not overly critical of Benji's use of the bench - I'm sure he had a "plan" to use all of the reserves but he adjusted that plan based on how the game played out. Sure he left some fresh legs on the pine - but were they the legs needed at the time? Leaving him on the pine didn't cost us the game, if fact the rotations we had almost won it for us.

The bounce of the ball will be in our favour soon enough and we will get a couple more wins. Hard to pick where they will come as we have a tough run over the next few weeks. Ricky's boys are playing well, but they are a team that plays off momentum. We're a chance at home!

I’m furious about the kicking pressure one. Our kickers should now be instructed to simply hold the ball until the last moment then cop the whack in the kicking process. Penalty, 2 points every time. Watch them change the interpretation in a heart beat. Anusley has lost the plot.

 

[liltiger]

I would get the lawyers involved if this is a fine. Benji has every right to challenge where the referees don’t understand the laws of the game. Until Blaize kicks the ball he is a runner and Luai has every right to tackle him.

Vulnerable position, lol. Every tackle blokes are put on their side. The guys off his head.

 

[liltiger]

I’m furious about the kicking pressure one. Our kickers should now be instructed to simply hold the ball until the last moment then cop the whack in the kicking process. Penalty, 2 points every time. Watch them change the interpretation in a heart beat. Anusley has lost the plot.

What will happen is kickers will just run the ball because blokes are too scared to tackle them.

 

[Snidest 0]

 

[liltiger]

Hi Team,

Late to this thread as I had visitors from the Riff down for the long weekend. I was outnumbered around the tele 5-1, but all of us thought it was a great game where the result could have been different had 50/50 calls been reversed. I'm not going to rehash what has been done to death here already, but, I thought it it may be interesting for some to hear the thoughts of what the Penrith supporters had to say on a few incidents live.

In relation to the two Luai penalties. We had divided opinions on the escort - I thought he had a right to stand his ground the Panthers here thought Martin was obstructed. After the replays we agreed that the decsion could have gone either way and gave the whistle blower the benefit of the doubt. On putting the kicker in a dangerous postion not one of us thought it should have been a penalty; and despite what Annesley came out with this morning I still do not believe that was a penalty. However, it is a perception thing and the officials percieved it differently so we just have to live with it and get on with the game.

I think the same goes for the Sorenson tackle - it could easily be preceived as a hip drop and penalised - but it wasn't so play on.

The truth of it all is that is we were a better side these would not be defining moments - they would be taken in stride and we go on to win. We aren't too far off that being the case for us and we are building.

If you really want to look to what lost us the game we should focus on the tackles missed by Mason, the below FG efforts from AD, and the poor edge defence at times.

I'm not overly critical of Benji's use of the bench - I'm sure he had a "plan" to use all of the reserves but he adjusted that plan based on how the game played out. Sure he left some fresh legs on the pine - but were they the legs needed at the time? Leaving him on the pine didn't cost us the game, if fact the rotations we had almost won it for us.

The bounce of the ball will be in our favour soon enough and we will get a couple more wins. Hard to pick where they will come as we have a tough run over the next few weeks. Ricky's boys are playing well, but they are a team that plays off momentum. We're a chance at home!

Rob Beshara swears that Martin was a few metres offside in front of the kicker and we should have been awarded a penalty, though I havnt taken a look myself. All done and dusted now.

 

[Flippedy]

Hasler & Payten both copped warnings so lets see what the outcome is with benji

Yes that will be interesting. If the NRL are consistent and fair then he should just be cautioned, but I guess we’ll see.

 

[Snidest 0]

Hi Team,

Late to this thread as I had visitors from the Riff down for the long weekend. I was outnumbered around the tele 5-1, but all of us thought it was a great game where the result could have been different had 50/50 calls been reversed. I'm not going to rehash what has been done to death here already, but, I thought it it may be interesting for some to hear the thoughts of what the Penrith supporters had to say on a few incidents live.

In relation to the two Luai penalties. We had divided opinions on the escort - I thought he had a right to stand his ground the Panthers here thought Martin was obstructed. After the replays we agreed that the decsion could have gone either way and gave the whistle blower the benefit of the doubt. On putting the kicker in a dangerous postion not one of us thought it should have been a penalty; and despite what Annesley came out with this morning I still do not believe that was a penalty. However, it is a perception thing and the officials percieved it differently so we just have to live with it and get on with the game.

I think the same goes for the Sorenson tackle - it could easily be preceived as a hip drop and penalised - but it wasn't so play on.

The truth of it all is that is we were a better side these would not be defining moments - they would be taken in stride and we go on to win. We aren't too far off that being the case for us and we are building.

If you really want to look to what lost us the game we should focus on the tackles missed by Mason, the below FG efforts from AD, and the poor edge defence at times.

I'm not overly critical of Benji's use of the bench - I'm sure he had a "plan" to use all of the reserves but he adjusted that plan based on how the game played out. Sure he left some fresh legs on the pine - but were they the legs needed at the time? Leaving him on the pine didn't cost us the game, if fact the rotations we had almost won it for us.

The bounce of the ball will be in our favour soon enough and we will get a couple more wins. Hard to pick where they will come as we have a tough run over the next few weeks. Ricky's boys are playing well, but they are a team that plays off momentum. We're a chance at home!

SANITY!

Kudos sir!

 

[tiger_one]

 

[Vicious]

SANITY!

Kudos sir!

I think it’s the general consensus that most if not all WT supporters like Mason, but want to see him spend a lot more time playing NSW Cup to work on his game, particularly his defence and I think most if not all WT supporters also agree Doueihi is not working for us and we need a better option.
Now assuming we replace Mason and Doueihi with better options, where does that put us, top 4, top 8, top 12, top 16 ?

 

[Jolls]

I think it’s the general consensus that most if not all WT supporters like Mason, but want to see him spend a lot more time playing NSW Cup to work on his game, particularly his defence and I think most if not all WT supporters also agree Doueihi is not working for us and we need a better option.
Now assuming we replace Mason and Doueihi with better options, where does that put us, top 4, top 8, top 12, top 16 ?

Mason will surely be replaced by Latu F so I think that is a given. Talyn was selected by the Riff as a centre before he was stood down so if he has been trainign in the background and shows he has it in cup this weekend he is a chance. The other option is to shift Tito in and have Luke L on the wind. Downside iis it breaks up the Tito/Toa combination. Having said that Luke L is the same type of player so almost like for like.

I think it gets su finishing outside of the 8 but in the top 12. Having said that we could go on a run home with a revers of the 50/50 calls over the last few weeks and just sneak into the 8. I can't see us with the spoon this year.

 

[Buttface]

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The piss weak NRL suk.

 

[mtd#2]

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We win two of those close games earlier this year and we are 5th/6th... Kinda nuts considering where we were this time last year

 

[BAGNF05]

What will happen is kickers will just run the ball because blokes are too scared to tackle them.

Exactly. The fake kick is already used effectively by guys like Crichton. Once a player is committed to a tackle they can’t pull out and that happens several metres from the point of impact. Players will no doubt figure out ways to exploit this ridiculous interpretation.

 

[Telltails]

Grabbing someone from behind, leaving your feet and using your body weight to drag a running player down by collapsing your weight into their knees is a very dangerous tackle. Sorenson ended up where he did because he recklessly threw his body around in a way that forced Jahream to either collapse completely or risk having both his knees explode. If you've ever had your legs collapsed that way you will know Jahream avoided injury entirely because he willingly didn't maintain his footing.

Whether it is a hip drop by definition or not it is the most dangerous example of the tackle they tried to outlaw. They invented additional KPIs because the referees were too stupid to recognise the difference between a reckless attempt (what Sorenson did) and incidental contact with no weight disbursement. The "has to touch the legs" nonsense means genuinely reckless tackles are now widely defended by people while touch and go ones are punished.

I look forward to us having a player sin binned for a less serious hip drop next Friday night.

Yes - the "dangerous tackle" in other words the hip drop that isn't a hip drop as applied to Aden Sezer last year in which he was given 4 weeks.

 

[Speed2burn]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...s/news-story/349aab97275654862e8f73bcfffbf286

“Having reviewed the vision of both incidents from multiple angles, the NRL is of the view that both decisions are correct,” NRL head of football Graham Annesley said.

“It’s clear from the vision that Jarome Luai props on his left foot and turns his back to initiate contact with Liam Martin.

“Regarding the contact on kicker Blaize Talagi, the rules are very clear, and have been reinforced with clubs on multiple occasions over recent seasons.

“Players have a duty of care to avoid dangerous contact with kickers who are in the process of kicking and in a vulnerable position.

“We see multiple examples every week where defenders have adjusted their technique to apply pressure to kickers without going through with the tackle.”

Tucker and Graham Anusley… I’m not saying they’re the same person but I’ve never seen them in the same room together 🤔

 

[BAGNF05]

Probably a lazy $10k fine for Benji and the caravan moves on.

The league have created another obstruction call / hip drop situation where nobody understands the rule anymore. They needed to confirm that luai’s tackle was fair to move on. Now it’s just a stupid grey area that will change from week to week and lead to more calls of referee bias.

 

[Oldman]

Grabbing someone from behind, leaving your feet and using your body weight to drag a running player down by collapsing your weight into their knees is a very dangerous tackle. Sorenson ended up where he did because he recklessly threw his body around in a way that forced Jahream to either collapse completely or risk having both his knees explode. If you've ever had your legs collapsed that way you will know Jahream avoided injury entirely because he willingly didn't maintain his footing.

Whether it is a hip drop by definition or not it is the most dangerous example of the tackle they tried to outlaw. They invented additional KPIs because the referees were too stupid to recognise the difference between a reckless attempt (what Sorenson did) and incidental contact with no weight disbursement. The "has to touch the legs" nonsense means genuinely reckless tackles are now widely defended by people while touch and go ones are punished.

I look forward to us having a player sin binned for a less serious hip drop next Friday night.

Unfortunately every tackle has a risk of injury
And the way the game is going we will be watching Oz Tag in years to come.
Hold on plenty of dislocated fingers in Oz Tag so Touch football maybe.

 

[BAGNF05]

Unfortunately every tackle has a risk of injury
And the way the game is going we will be watching Oz Tag in years to come.
Hold on plenty of dislocated fingers in Oz Tag so Touch football maybe.

Just need to replace dinosaur officials

 

[Odessa]

The league have created another obstruction call / hip drop situation where nobody understands the rule anymore. They needed to confirm that luai’s tackle was fair to move on. Now it’s just a stupid grey area that will change from week to week and lead to more calls of referee bias.

They need to get rid of the bunker and have an AI agent responsible for the close calls no personal opinion just the rules fed into the Agent I am sick of the same thing happening but different outcomes

It Sh!ts me so much sometimes i turn off the game even when the Tigers are not playing because of the indifferent rules for clubs

 

[Speed2burn]

They need to get rid of the bunker and have an AI agent responsible for the close calls no personal opinion just the rules fed into the Agent I am sick of the same thing happening but different outcomes

It Sh!ts me so much sometimes i turn off the game even when the Tigers are not playing because of the indifferent rules for clubs

lol I could just imagine the AI malfunctioning in our game and sending a tigers player off