Royce Simmons [Discussion]

[innsaneink]

Aptitude?

 

[Flippedy]

I would love for WT to be turned into a good defensive team just for once in our lives. I'm tired of having small heart attacks every time the opposition enters our red zone and having to rely on our attack to get us over the line. It would be nice to feel confident in our defence right throughout matches and that we could hold out 8-9 times out of 10 when under pressure on our line. If Potter and staff can work this miracle and transform them into a consistently strong defensive unit, then I will be one very happy person!

 

[innsaneink]

Snow is spot on though…...our attitude in D sucks, Ive seen what youre describing flippedy, occasionally, sometimes two games in a row, rarely three....and more often we dont see it

 

[softlaw]

we very rarely defend well for 3 sets in a row. Forget 3 games.

 

[Goose]

I reckon the whole defense is attitude is outdated.
I reckon it is mostly decision making and acting in unison with those around coupled with techniques to make a tackle in a manner that prevents a quick play the ball.

having a system that works that the players understand and work within under pressure is the key.
Attitude is only a small part of it these days.

 

[innsaneink]

Watch manly attack with their defense goose

What happens to that ''system'' when players are struggling, fatigues, under pressure….what happens when only ONE players doesnt cover - thru exhaustion or inexperience - and lets down the team.....what happens when the line is broken and the D is shot? what do they call on then?

You call on each other, your team mate, you not letting HIM down

What you talk of is what is initially put in play....it doesnt simply always work that way though

 

[snowleopard]

I reckon the whole defense is attitude is outdated.
I reckon it is mostly decision making and acting in unison with those around coupled with techniques to make a tackle in a manner that prevents a quick play the ball.

having a system that works that the players understand and work within under pressure is the key.
Attitude is only a small part of it these days.

Sorry Goose can't agree with you on that. A player or players can have the best tackling techniques , be given the best game plan for defence , etc, etc but if they don't turn up with the best Attitude then nothing else will matter. If you look at the games when WT attitude in defence was good ..fast line speed all game , multiples in tackles with aggression , rushing to cover just in case a tackle was missed or an offload given…we were never beaten. IMO Storm have the best Attitude in defence and the one thing they do better than any other team is rushing to cover just in case a tackle is missed or an offload given and to do this players have to very good concentration and be willing to take those extra steps and not just sit back an expect someone else to clean it up. They also have to individually and collectively have the desire to go the extra mile in defence. If you want to see a good example of WT bad Attitude in defence just have a look at the try Barba scored against us from near his own try line. Watching it made me sick.

 

[Snodgrass]

Clearly you need both … Attitude and technique/strategy.
One without the other leads to regular sessions of group angst in behind your own sticks.

 

[Goose]

Watch manly attack with their defense goose

What happens to that ''system'' when players are struggling, fatigues, under pressure….what happens when only ONE players doesnt cover - thru exhaustion or inexperience - and lets down the team.....what happens when the line is broken and the D is shot? what do they call on then?

You call on each other, your team mate, you not letting HIM down

What you talk of is what is initially put in play....it doesnt simply always work that way though

Attitude and effort is important if you don't have it you lose.

however it is irrelevant if your system is not effective.

I reckon attitude is the final 10 or 20% not the major factor that the old cliche indicates

 

[Tiger_heart]

This http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpts/excerpts/five-mental-strategies-create-a-winning-game

 

[innsaneink]

Watch manly attack with their defense goose

What happens to that ''system'' when players are struggling, fatigues, under pressure….what happens when only ONE players doesnt cover - thru exhaustion or inexperience - and lets down the team.....what happens when the line is broken and the D is shot? what do they call on then?

You call on each other, your team mate, you not letting HIM down

What you talk of is what is initially put in play....it doesnt simply always work that way though

Attitude and effort is important if you don't have it you lose.

however it is irrelevant if your system is not effective.

I reckon attitude is the final 10 or 20% not the major factor that the old cliche indicates

Yep, but like everything with us….we DO see it
Occasionally
We are effective - occasionally....so that tells me our technigue/system is fine -occasionally
Like everything thing else with us...its inconsistent
Melb are consistent

 

[4jtigers]

I am glad the subject has turned away from the "Royce's attack" or should I say defense? :roll wish him all the best… the coach is there and he'll know what to do.

Give Royce a break... attack or defend (pun intended) him at the end of the season. :laughing:

 

[Newtown]

defence is 80% about one word and it begins with A. The problem every team has is getting the A in defence 80% of the time. If you look back on 80% of WT crunch games the biggest single factor in winning was defence. They always turned up with the right A and won. Can you guess what A is?

Also try H for honesty
D for discipline
W for wholehearted

WT were found wanting in these areas in 2012 - one match I vividly remember was the lat round match against the roosters when WT had to win the match but the defence crumbled well and truly at the start and the game was lost in the first 15 minutes. I don't think Royce was the defence coach for that match.

 

[innsaneink]

I wouldnt use that game as any example Newtown, the players had only hours earlier learnt of Robbies mums passing

 

[Flippedy]

I wouldnt use that game as any example Newtown, the players had only hours earlier learnt of Robbies mums passing

I think Newtown's talking about the second last game of the season when we played against the Roosters, Ink, not the earlier one where they had only just heard of Sonia's passing.

 

[Snodgrass]

I wouldnt use that game as any example Newtown, the players had only hours earlier learnt of Robbies mums passing

I think Newtown's talking about the second last game of the season when we played against the Roosters, Ink, not the earlier one where they had only just heard of Sonia's passing.

Ha ha … We play so badly against the Chooks so often it's hard to keep up.
Over to you Braith.

 

[Justo]

harsh comment from people who dont know a football from a boiled egg my memory tells me royce was around here in 2005 no complaints then was there welcome back royce he will bring some humor and much needed harmony back into this shattered squad every team needs a royce in their squad.

So was sheens. Whats 8 years ago got to with it. 8 years is a lifetime in nrl.
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_Posted using RoarFEED 2012_

 

[innsaneink]

I wouldnt use that game as any example Newtown, the players had only hours earlier learnt of Robbies mums passing

I think Newtown's talking about the second last game of the season when we played against the Roosters, Ink, not the earlier one where they had only just heard of Sonia's passing.

Oh man Id wiped that from my memory wasnt that a schemozzle and a half?

 

[Flippedy]

I wouldnt use that game as any example Newtown, the players had only hours earlier learnt of Robbies mums passing

I think Newtown's talking about the second last game of the season when we played against the Roosters, Ink, not the earlier one where they had only just heard of Sonia's passing.

Oh man Id wiped that from my memory wasnt that a schemozzle and a half?

Yep, lowest point in a very low season.

 

[happy_tiger]

I wouldnt use that game as any example Newtown, the players had only hours earlier learnt of Robbies mums passing

I think Newtown's talking about the second last game of the season when we played against the Roosters, Ink, not the earlier one where they had only just heard of Sonia's passing.

Oh man Id wiped that from my memory wasnt that a schemozzle and a half?

We had a lot of games like that , even some of our wins were a complete schmoozle