Rozelle development
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innsaneink
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Very anti development story.
Its the local businesses I feel for I guess….they will lose in this
It seems this is forgotten when everyones claiming its anyones right to make a profit ( which it is)
Its the local businesses I feel for I guess….they will lose in this
It seems this is forgotten when everyones claiming its anyones right to make a profit ( which it is)
Benjirific
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As per usual from ACA, not exactly a credible story. The members of the club voted to allow Mr Elias to purchase the land from the club, so in my eyes that means his financial interest has been declared since the beginning.
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Rightly or wrongly, the problem with shows like A Current Affair and Today Tonight is that they always show bias in their stories.
Coming from a cadre of hard hitting journalists who excel in hyperbole and rhetoric.
Must have been out of neighbour-from-hell and dole bludger stories this week.
Must have been out of neighbour-from-hell and dole bludger stories this week.
Citizen_Tiger
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This story is an example of how the media can decimate someone's character without feeling mildly accountable. Elias hasn't deceived anyone, he's been honest and open right throughout this process. I hope his lawyers go over the piece with a fine tooth comb. The residents interviewed are typical of the blow in middle class wankers that have ruined a once decent suburb. Aided and abetted of course by the eight Green councillors who run the most pathetic local government in Australia
sunshine_coast_tiger
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@Citizen Tiger said:
I agree 100% with you Citizen Tiger.
Funny I knew something was coming up on ACA as one of the NIMBYS that support the Rozelle Resident Action Group works for channel 9 on Sixty Minutes production crew.
The idiots on Leichhardt Council couldn't run a chook raffle. The reason the club is in so much debt is that they brought two properties that Leichhardt Council asked them to make the amaglemated development site.
I am sure the Liberal Government will approve the development not at the current level as I have stated many times but still large enough to be very viable at a lot larger than the 12 storey's previously rejected.
I hope Benny Ellias sues ACA, I think he would win. To run this on SOO night is yet another reason the NRL Independent Commision should tell them to F!!! OFF when the tv rights are sorted out soon. The AFL control the media so much better.
Residents certainly don't want it, my family included. I'd love to hear a legitimate reason why it is needed, preferably from someone in the area if there are any (I.e people within a 500m radius max)
Traffic is ridiculous and it's hard enough to get on a bus in the morning. Leagues club is needed but there is no need for the rest.
You can't even go towards the city from that side of Vic rd/darling street without a trip around the world so it's just more problems. More franchises which will destroy local business owners (no mcdonalds etc in the area for a reason). Will be wayyy out of character with a massive "skyscraper" leaving all in its shadow.
There are no benefits other than the leagues club so why be happy with anything more when it destroys an important part of the WT community?
Please people I don't want my suburb to be destroyed so please don't support this development and buy into this "it's a greens thing" and be in touch with your area. I've lived here my whole life!
Have some sense about you and don't buy into it just because some "tigers legend" told you it's the right thing to do. You don't know his agendas and neither does anyone else. Don't get lured just because there's a leagues club SOMEWHERE amongst the development that will bail the club out. We can get a new model with the essential leagues club and there's no need to settle for some dodgy model which benefits no one!
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Traffic is ridiculous and it's hard enough to get on a bus in the morning. Leagues club is needed but there is no need for the rest.
You can't even go towards the city from that side of Vic rd/darling street without a trip around the world so it's just more problems. More franchises which will destroy local business owners (no mcdonalds etc in the area for a reason). Will be wayyy out of character with a massive "skyscraper" leaving all in its shadow.
There are no benefits other than the leagues club so why be happy with anything more when it destroys an important part of the WT community?
Please people I don't want my suburb to be destroyed so please don't support this development and buy into this "it's a greens thing" and be in touch with your area. I've lived here my whole life!
Have some sense about you and don't buy into it just because some "tigers legend" told you it's the right thing to do. You don't know his agendas and neither does anyone else. Don't get lured just because there's a leagues club SOMEWHERE amongst the development that will bail the club out. We can get a new model with the essential leagues club and there's no need to settle for some dodgy model which benefits no one!
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Gary_Bakerloo
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@sunshine coast tiger said:
On what grounds can he sue? I saw no defamation in the story with reference to him merely being questions about his level of ownership which was not answered. Further, what would he lose as a result of the story?
We all know there are two sides to this story and it is very passionate. The only disappointing thing I saw was the discussion of the level of debt of the Balmain Leagues Club and its solvency whilst showing file footage of Wests Tigers. Effectively it links the two entities which IS wrong.
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Didn't see it. Don't now, now will I ever watch the "current affairs" programs run by the major networks as they are entirely either alarmist rubbish or celebrity gossip.
I thought everyone knew about the Leagues Club level of debt and that that debt is linked to the success of the proposal.
Either way as I have stated elsewhere this will not effect Wests Tigers in any way less they have a major financial disaster of their own.
I am for the development in it's original guise and made this decision based on my beleifs in and around town planning. To infer that that the only way someone would support a building of residential towers and shops in the area is by being duped by club legends is an utter insult but typical of the people involved
I thought everyone knew about the Leagues Club level of debt and that that debt is linked to the success of the proposal.
Either way as I have stated elsewhere this will not effect Wests Tigers in any way less they have a major financial disaster of their own.
I am for the development in it's original guise and made this decision based on my beleifs in and around town planning. To infer that that the only way someone would support a building of residential towers and shops in the area is by being duped by club legends is an utter insult but typical of the people involved
@mtd said:
The league's club has serious debt… Realistically it shouldn't have too much impact on WT aside from how junior funding might be compromised and even then I'd say the overall impact would be small.
Some residents who feel they can speak on behalf of everyone oppose it, some residents want it. Then again the same mob opposed a very minor development at Callan Park. Looking through the "issues":
*** It will change the "character" of the area** - Well 2 things. First of all that part of Rozelle has all the appeal and atmosphere of an armpit. Secondly areas change character all the time. When my parents lived there it was a working class suburb and then the nouveau riche crowd moved in and now every second shop is selling "retro" clothing at a high price or food from some country you've never heard of. Which is fine but don't pretend this "character" is some 100 year old thing. In any case the terrace housing that covers most of the Balmain peninsula will remain unaffected by this.
*** It will impact on local shop owners**- For starters it is not the job of council to protect retailers from competition. Secondly, if residents are so concerned they are free to continue to support the business they always have. Thirdly there is always a reasonable turnover of business in those areas. When I was in Leichhardt shops closed and changed hands all the time. Fourthly there are no large supermarkets near the site. Balmain Woolies is a fair walk and it's not a big shop anyway. Fifthly the residents living in the towers will create further demand for shops both in the towers and outside of them.
*** Increased traffic**- There will probably be more cars but it is the inner west. Public transport is an issue everywhere but improve the transport. I'm sure there will be limitations on car spots v apartment numbers anyway.
In my opinion this is more about property values and residents not wanting apartment blocks on their doorstep. As others have indicated, Sydney is bursting at the seems and unless we keep expanding till we hit Bathurst developments like this are going to be more common place. The days of living 5km from the CBD and expecting that everyone can live exclusively in terrace houses is over. There needs to be a mix.
Time for people to look at the calendar - it's 2012.
The last time Rozelle was considered a village was when my grandfather lived there(70 years ago).
Sydney is growing and people need to live near the city - and the only way to fit them is in units.
If the greenies don't like it then pack up and move to Tasmania.
The last time Rozelle was considered a village was when my grandfather lived there(70 years ago).
Sydney is growing and people need to live near the city - and the only way to fit them is in units.
If the greenies don't like it then pack up and move to Tasmania.
Benjirific
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@Anthism said:
Ok, I'm a local resident (Oxford St Rozelle) and have been my whole life. My family have lived in the area (Balmain/Rozelle) for over 100 years.
I'll first pick apart your point about the club on its own. That model has tried and failed. Leagues clubs all over Sydney on their own are losing money, particularly those close to the city with The Star now redone. Factors outside their control have destroyed the registered clubs industry, which means they need to turn to developments such as this for financial safety. So basically, the club can't come back on it's own.
Secondly, reasons why this is needed. Well, for starters, Sydney has been experiencing urban sprawl for its whole history, and it's getting to the point where the infrastructure simply isn't enough to cope. There is established infrastructure along Victoria Road, so the position of this development is perfect for it's position in that respect. In regard to buses, I catch the bus to work in the city every morning, and have never had to wait longer than 10 minutes to get on one.
The retail on that side of Victoria Road is dead, plain and simple - there is no argument against that. This development will reinvigorate the area on that side of Victoria Road, and add 304 houses worth of people to shop in the local shops. That is up to around 600-700 new potential customers. In relation to the retail on the site, it won't be enough to service all the needs of those living there, so they will use the local shops. As described by Ian Wright on the 7:30 Report piece last Friday, it is a supermarket and 10-15 speciality shops. Hardly a mega-mall as some residents are saying in the hope of scaremongering.
In regards to their being no benefits - the area is in much need of parking (the development has around 800 spots), the area is in desperate need of childcare (how about that, it has childcare as well), the development provides a gym, medical centre and community centre. Are they not benefits to the community?
And the in-keeping with the rest of the area rubbish is exactly that - rubbish. Someone please explain to me how a high-rise, high-density development on the busiest road in the country is 'out of character'. The current nature of the suburb has put pressure on the rest of the city's infrastructure and transport network. Sydney needs to build up in it's inner-suburbs, not out to the extremities.
I'd like to stay away from personal attacks, but as a generalisation saying that 'I don't want my suburb to be destroyed' just screams NIMBY.
