Rumour, Comings and Goings 2009 / 2010 season...

[southerntiger]

For the avoidance of doubt I was being heavily sarcastic, as I imagine Simon was.

The only players who dont like Sheens are the players who arent as good as they think they are. The only fans who dont like Sheens are the ones that think those players are better than what they are.

 

[king_sirro]

I have no problem with someone supporting Sheens, but to act like anyone who doesnt want him because of 4 years of failure is an idiot is extremely unfair. Those going on the "support Sheens warpath" totally ignore any legit argument yet all they throw up is stuff he achieved 4-6 years ago.

 

[southerntiger]

I dont think it is unfair Sirro. Until someone comes up with a legitimate alternative that is not contracted to another club I will treat such arguments with disdain.

On about 25 occasions I have asked people to provide an alternative and the best I get is Brian Smith - I would rather Tommy as coach ignoring the fact Smith is contracted to another club.

I am objective about Sheens. I have said I wouldnt sign him up now on repeated occasions. Over the years I have been highly critical of his selections - Bryce Gibbs comes to mind. But people who think he has been anything but beneficial to this club are kidding themselves.

 

[Geo]

Ummm….Nathan Brown, Graham Murray, Steve Folkes there 3 I've offered up before....None currently Coaching in the NRL....

 

[innsaneink]

I dont think it is unfair Sirro. Until someone comes up with a legitimate alternative that is not contracted to another club I will treat such arguments with disdain.

On about 25 occasions I have asked people to provide an alternative and the best I get is Brian Smith - I would rather Tommy as coach ignoring the fact Smith is contracted to another club.

I am objective about Sheens. I have said I wouldnt sign him up now on repeated occasions. Over the years I have been highly critical of his selections - Bryce Gibbs comes to mind. But people who think he has been anything but beneficial to this club are kidding themselves.

Youre a liar, I too have offered Stephen kearney…add another to Geos list.

 

[The_Tooth]

Ummm….Nathan Brown, Graham Murray, Steve Folkes there 3 I've offered up before....None currently Coaching in the NRL....

They were all sacked and couldn't get another NRL gig. Brown off to ESL, Murray…who knows and Folkes to the West Indies. JUst needed to point that out. I am on Sheens side of the fence though.

In fairness I think both Murray and Folkes are quality coaches but Brown would be a huge gamble. Brown, Taylor and Freddy all fall into the same category, too close to there playing days. Very hard to get the respect needed.

 

[southerntiger]

I admit you have raised Brown before but this is the first time I have seen Murray mentioned here.

Graham Murray is a decent coach but not right for the players we have and he has a history of being alienated at clubs. I worry we would lose a lot of good players with him as coach. I also dont think he is as good as Sheens.

Brown is a lesser coach than Sheens both tactically and man-management. Unlike others I dont rate Folkes as a coach at all.

All would be a step backwards IMHO.

 

[king_sirro]

I dont think it is unfair Sirro. Until someone comes up with a legitimate alternative that is not contracted to another club I will treat such arguments with disdain.

On about 25 occasions I have asked people to provide alternative and the best I get is Brian Smith - I would rather Tommy as coach.

I dont particularly want to get into a Sheens thing as im a little on the fence at the moment. I believe he shouldnt be here in 2010, but he is, so as far as im concerned, he's got another chance and i hope he takes it. But so many arguments in support of him i find very poor. U say u want a legit alternative, but the fact is when changing coaches its always a gamble. Even proven coaches going to knew clubs is a gamble. But in reality, is it really a gamble when your club has been failing? The worst it can do is fail again.

If we keep finishing 9th but no legit candidate is out there to replace Sheens, do u want him here the next 5 years? Surely there comes a time when a risk needs to be taken, whether its on a young coach like Potter, Kearney, Flanagan or a proven coach like Folkes, Waite and even Brown.

Ive stayed out of the Sheens arguments all off season, but lately the support brigade have carried on with pathetic arguments. No offence, but lets balance it out a little. Im happy to acknowledge what he's done for the club. We are all forever in debt to the guy for the way he turned the club around, but how long can he live on what he did 5 years ago?

Every coach, no matter how good has a use by date at a club.

 

[Geo]

Ummm….Nathan Brown, Graham Murray, Steve Folkes there 3 I've offered up before....None currently Coaching in the NRL....

They were all sacked and couldn't get another NRL gig. Brown off to ESL, Murray…who knows and Folkes to the West Indies. JUst needed to point that out. I am on Sheens side of the fence though.

In fairness I think both Murray and Folkes are quality coaches but Brown would be a huge gamble. Brown, Taylor and Freddy all fall into the same category, too close to there playing days. Very hard to get the respect needed.

Sacked….You do remember how Sheensy came to the Wests Tigers?

If you have a look I am also a supporter of Sheens,,,,,The arguement to keep him cause there is no suitable alternative is a poor one...

We all have opinions....I agree that Brown was to close to the Dragons....He did take Huddersfield to Wembley in his first crack as well as getting them to the Finals of the ESL...He's a good Coach who will come back to the NRL soon....

 

[southerntiger]

I dont think it is unfair Sirro. Until someone comes up with a legitimate alternative that is not contracted to another club I will treat such arguments with disdain.

On about 25 occasions I have asked people to provide alternative and the best I get is Brian Smith - I would rather Tommy as coach.

I dont particularly want to get into a Sheens thing as im a little on the fence at the moment. I believe he shouldnt be here in 2010, but he is, so as far as im concerned, he's got another chance and i hope he takes it. But so many arguments in support of him i find very poor. U say u want a legit alternative, but the fact is when changing coaches its always a gamble. Even proven coaches going to knew clubs is a gamble. But in reality, is it really a gamble when your club has been failing? The worst it can do is fail again.

If we keep finishing 9th but no legit candidate is out there to replace Sheens, do u want him here the next 5 years? Surely there comes a time when a risk needs to be taken, whether its on a young coach like Potter, Kearney, Flanagan or a proven coach like Folkes, Waite and even Brown.

Ive stayed out of the Sheens arguments all off season, but lately the support brigade have carried on with pathetic arguments. No offence, but lets balance it out a little. Im happy to acknowledge what he's done for the club. We are all forever in debt to the guy for the way he turned the club around, but how long can he live on what he did 5 years ago?

Every coach, no matter how good has a use by date at a club.

The funny thing Sirro is that I dont consider myself a Sheens supporter. Like you I agree that it needs to be assessed on a year to year basis. Part of the reason I passionately defend him is to "balance" the attacks by others.

 

[southerntiger]

Ummm….Nathan Brown, Graham Murray, Steve Folkes there 3 I've offered up before....None currently Coaching in the NRL....

They were all sacked and couldn't get another NRL gig. Brown off to ESL, Murray…who knows and Folkes to the West Indies. JUst needed to point that out. I am on Sheens side of the fence though.

In fairness I think both Murray and Folkes are quality coaches but Brown would be a huge gamble. Brown, Taylor and Freddy all fall into the same category, too close to there playing days. Very hard to get the respect needed.

Sacked….You do remember how Sheensy came to the Wests Tigers?

If you have a look I am also a supporter of Sheens,,,,,The arguement to keep him cause there is no suitable alternative is a poor one...

We all have opinions....I agree that Brown was to close to the Dragons....He did take Huddersfield to Wembley in his first crack as well as getting them to the Finals of the ESL...He's a good Coach who will come back to the NRL soon....

The lack of alternatives is not a poor argument - although I do agree it shouldnt be overstated. But when the best you can offer up is those three then it ends up being not a bad argument.

I am happy for the club to replace Sheens if it has an appropriate transition plan. Nathan Brown was out of his depth last time he coached in the NRL. Success in the ESL, as Matthew Elliott and many others prove (Shaun McRae, is no indication of ability to coach in the NRL.

 

[alexaki]

should offer Sheens a lifetime coaching contract

 

[king_sirro]

I dont think it is unfair Sirro. Until someone comes up with a legitimate alternative that is not contracted to another club I will treat such arguments with disdain.

On about 25 occasions I have asked people to provide alternative and the best I get is Brian Smith - I would rather Tommy as coach.

I dont particularly want to get into a Sheens thing as im a little on the fence at the moment. I believe he shouldnt be here in 2010, but he is, so as far as im concerned, he's got another chance and i hope he takes it. But so many arguments in support of him i find very poor. U say u want a legit alternative, but the fact is when changing coaches its always a gamble. Even proven coaches going to knew clubs is a gamble. But in reality, is it really a gamble when your club has been failing? The worst it can do is fail again.

If we keep finishing 9th but no legit candidate is out there to replace Sheens, do u want him here the next 5 years? Surely there comes a time when a risk needs to be taken, whether its on a young coach like Potter, Kearney, Flanagan or a proven coach like Folkes, Waite and even Brown.

Ive stayed out of the Sheens arguments all off season, but lately the support brigade have carried on with pathetic arguments. No offence, but lets balance it out a little. Im happy to acknowledge what he's done for the club. We are all forever in debt to the guy for the way he turned the club around, but how long can he live on what he did 5 years ago?

Every coach, no matter how good has a use by date at a club.

The funny thing Sirro is that I dont consider myself a Sheens supporter. Like you I agree that it needs to be assessed on a year to year basis. Part of the reason I passionately defend him is to "balance" the attacks by others.

lol, we both trying to balance it, just in opposite ways haha

 

[Geo]

southerntiger,

Why was he out of his depth cause the Dragons choked…Even Bennett couldn't fix that up.....

Did you happen to watch the WCC....Whilst the ESL is rungs below NRL....it's not State Cup....

Daniel Anderson didn't do to badly first time back and I rate him poorly...

 

[southerntiger]

hahaha … sometimes I probably go a bit overboard with my balancing but thats because I get so angry at the people who dont appreciate what he has given this club.

Geo, I wanted to add one other thing about Brown. One way that I evaulate a coach is what they do with a club when they come and what state they leave it in when they depart. The Dragons had a quality side when Brown came and IMHO were a far lesser side when Brown left. That, to me, says something about his ability to sell his vision to his players. For the same reason, I believe Stuart is the most overrated coach in the game. The Roosters became a shambles under his stewardship.

Contrast that with Sheens at the Wests Tigers.

 

[simonthetiger]

Ive stayed out of the Sheens arguments all off season, but lately the support brigade have carried on with pathetic arguments. No offence, but lets balance it out a little. Im happy to acknowledge what he's done for the club. We are all forever in debt to the guy for the way he turned the club around, but how long can he live on what he did 5 years ago?

Funny…..I find the anti Sheens arguments quite pethetic.You blokes have one argument....that is we havent made the semis in x years.When the year before that we won it.

Winning comps aside......you anti Sheens blokes are so blinkered that you cannot and will not acknowledge the drastic turnaround of our club in a pretty short amount of time.this isnt just about being competetive,which we are.This is about keeping our marquees and locking them in for ever.Its about being able to draw top shelf players to the club.

And its about respect,which we have now.

Talk of balance.....dead set open those eyes and have a look.

 

[simonthetiger]

southerntiger,

Why was he out of his depth cause the Dragons choked…Even Bennett couldn't fix that up.....

Did you happen to watch the WCC....Whilst the ESL is rungs below NRL....it's not State Cup....

Daniel Anderson didn't do to badly first time back and I rate him poorly...

Errrrrrr,slapping his three best players in the face at half time in front of the grandstand…..what a self serving stunt that was.And how embarassing for everyone involved.

No thanks.

 

[Geo]

:laughing: :laughing: Everyone makes mistakes…I'm sure Brownie would have learnt a lot from that.....

Can we say the same about Sheens and his misjudgements over the Years?

Chriminies....I'm Starting to sound like Bug....

C'mon Round 1.....rip in to the Sivertail Scum....

 

[southerntiger]

The funny thing is Geo is that I think Sheens has admitted his mistake by rectifying them, Perhaps he hasnt gone on WTV and apologised to Bug but John Morris is gone. There was a reason why his contract wasnt renewed.

 

[Chris]

I have always been a huge supporter of Tim Sheens. I love the way he transformed the club, I love the way he has brought some of our juniors along as well and I love the fast exciting brand of football we play. On the down side, some of his purchases and his team selections leaves me scratching my head.

I have always been against punting him and the main reason for that is the lack of quality coaches on the market. The thing is nothing is forever in this game and sooner or later we're going to have to get a new coach. Names like Brown, Folkes, and Murray have been thrown about and I think they're good coaches but they've had their time in the NRL. Kearney and Flanagan have had their names thrown about as well but they're untested under the pressures of NRL coaching.

The man I'd like to see replace Tim Sheens is Jason Taylor. He had an awesome run with Parramatta, did some good things with Souths and I still believe today that they made a mistake punting him and it could prove the difference for them. The thing I like about Jason Taylor is he has an excellent understanding of the game, he is highly intelligent with reading the game, he's an excellent communicator and most importantly, he's a local boy to Campbelltown. He'll know how to get the fans to dig deep into their pockets and support the club even more financially.