Rumour: Tigers have two secret meetings with Ivan Cleary

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

As we have signed Ballin up I can't see why we cannot also sign Cleary up - the competition for the coaching job will make them try harder.

 

[TigerOfBankstown]

I got no problem with Cleary, I think on the status quo the negatives far outweigh the proposed "stability"

We need to throw the ball out wide, especially now that the bench is decreasing and we have a relatively thin forward pack..

Cleary has clearly got my pass mark considering he was able to steer around the ill disciplined warriors around the park.

 

[Tigerdon]

Agree. If Cleary wants to stay in Sydney..sign him as an assistant coach. Goes with Taylor theory of having competition for every spot.
If in 2016, Taylor can get the defence right and ignite the backline, like Manly/Broncos/Easts backs he can stay for the last year of his contract

 

[ghost]

As we have signed Ballin up I can't see why we cannot also sign Cleary up - the competition for the coaching job will make them try harder.

Love it!! :laughing:

 

[Tigermama]

As we have signed Ballin up I can't see why we cannot also sign Cleary up - the competition for the coaching job will make them try harder.

I like that idea. But i doubt JT would. He'd hand in his letter of resignation if we did that :mrgreen:

 

[Eddie]

See how Taylor goes this year. He did some very good things in regards to injuries and keeping a healthy roster on the paddock last season. He did talk a good game in this regard. Now in the 2nd year its time to see some real improvement on the ladder, not rubbish stats improvement. I am far from convinced on him and if there is a better candidate after another 15th place in 2016 I would say tata Taylor.

I think some peoples main reason for not wanting to flick him though is not based purely on the faith they have in him, rather the wastefulness of throwing more money down the drain again. If a candidate like Hasler or Bellemy (im dreaming i know) were on the market you wold flick him in a heart beat.

 

[ghost]

I am no fan of JT at all, but you cant flick him now.

Has to at least have this year….if we go rubbish again...flick flick flickety flicka!

 

[swag_tiger]

I am no fan of JT at all, but you cant flick him now.

Has to at least have this year….if we go rubbish again...flick flick flickety flicka!

What is this flick flick flickety flicka you are taking about.
Sounds like gibberish to me.

 

[rialto]

Regardless who our future coach may be, to perpetuate BS rumours like in this thread does OUR players no favours!! SO why keep continuing to try and undermine the club! IMO we should wait till official announcements are made and then comment like crazy. BTW. as stated previously TEDESCO is VERY HAPPY WITH TAYLOR. That make me very happy too.

 

[Milky]

Cleary wanted to go NZ, stayed here for family.

 

[2041]

The walker brothers coach like Benji Marshall plays. They try low percentage plays and when it works they look brilliant but when it doesn't it looks amature. They couldn't get away with it in the NRL.

Taylor has earned to the right to serve his time and see what he can do. If at the end of three years all he has accomplished is to clear the decks then so be it.

The absence of good rugby league coverage anywhere means I can't prove this, but my suspicion is that taking unnecessary risks is absolutely not what the Walkers' style is about. It's more about understanding what the real risk-return equation is and acting accordingly, rather than just following convention because that's 'what you do'.

Take the short kick off thing. Everyone kicks off long because you look stupid if you give the oppo the ball on their 40\. But if you have a 30% chance of starting a set on the oppo's 40, it's probably worth the 20 or so metres you give up if you don't regather. Do you do it with a one point lead and a minute to go? Probably not. But over the course of multiple restarts it likely works in your favour.

It's like NFL. For years teams punted the ball away on fourth and short when just out of field goal range. More recently it's been demonstrated that mathematically it makes far more sense to go for it on fourth down, even though if you don't get the yardage you sacrifice field position. Going for it is the 'riskier' play and it goes against conventional wisdom, but it's absolutely not just rolling the dice and hoping to hit double 6.

 

[2041]

Just to add to the above, I'm not saying I think the Walkers will definitely be a success in the NRL (or that they definitely won't). I really don't know, though I'd love someone to be brave enough to try.

 

[Tigermama]

The walker brothers coach like Benji Marshall plays. They try low percentage plays and when it works they look brilliant but when it doesn't it looks amature. They couldn't get away with it in the NRL.

Taylor has earned to the right to serve his time and see what he can do. If at the end of three years all he has accomplished is to clear the decks then so be it.

The absence of good rugby league coverage anywhere means I can't prove this, but my suspicion is that taking unnecessary risks is absolutely not what the Walkers' style is about. It's more about understanding what the real risk-return equation is and acting accordingly, rather than just following convention because that's 'what you do'.

Take the short kick off thing. Everyone kicks off long because you look stupid if you give the oppo the ball on their 40\. But if you have a 30% chance of starting a set on the oppo's 40, it's probably worth the 20 or so metres you give up if you don't regather. Do you do it with a one point lead and a minute to go? Probably not. But over the course of multiple restarts it likely works in your favour.

It's like NFL. For years teams punted the ball away on fourth and short when just out of field goal range. More recently it's been demonstrated that mathematically it makes far more sense to go for it on fourth down, even though if you don't get the yardage you sacrifice field position. Going for it is the 'riskier' play and it goes against conventional wisdom, but it's absolutely not just rolling the dice and hoping to hit double 6.

Good post. That's my take on it too 2041\. Would love to see WT give them a go, for sure.
Two very exciting coaches and they seem to be very good, man managers too.

 

[bobo125]

The walker brothers coach like Benji Marshall plays. They try low percentage plays and when it works they look brilliant but when it doesn't it looks amature. They couldn't get away with it in the NRL.

Taylor has earned to the right to serve his time and see what he can do. If at the end of three years all he has accomplished is to clear the decks then so be it.

The absence of good rugby league coverage anywhere means I can't prove this, but my suspicion is that taking unnecessary risks is absolutely not what the Walkers' style is about. It's more about understanding what the real risk-return equation is and acting accordingly, rather than just following convention because that's 'what you do'.

Take the short kick off thing. Everyone kicks off long because you look stupid if you give the oppo the ball on their 40\. But if you have a 30% chance of starting a set on the oppo's 40, it's probably worth the 20 or so metres you give up if you don't regather. Do you do it with a one point lead and a minute to go? Probably not. But over the course of multiple restarts it likely works in your favour.

It's like NFL. For years teams punted the ball away on fourth and short when just out of field goal range. More recently it's been demonstrated that mathematically it makes far more sense to go for it on fourth down, even though if you don't get the yardage you sacrifice field position. Going for it is the 'riskier' play and it goes against conventional wisdom, but it's absolutely not just rolling the dice and hoping to hit double 6.

spot on mate.
they are playing the numbers and their team is fit enough to give it a real go.
i like others think - the NRL may be a big leap for their style at the moment, but yep would love to see someone give them a go. would be super interesting to see !

 

[supercoach]

For the Walker brothers to succeed in the NRL they need the right squad of players, not super stars, but they need a blend of youth with no perceived views on how the game should be played and some hard nut journeymen who will play to instructions. Our roster suits those requirements

 

[2041]

The walker brothers coach like Benji Marshall plays. They try low percentage plays and when it works they look brilliant but when it doesn't it looks amature. They couldn't get away with it in the NRL.

Taylor has earned to the right to serve his time and see what he can do. If at the end of three years all he has accomplished is to clear the decks then so be it.

The absence of good rugby league coverage anywhere means I can't prove this, but my suspicion is that taking unnecessary risks is absolutely not what the Walkers' style is about. It's more about understanding what the real risk-return equation is and acting accordingly, rather than just following convention because that's 'what you do'.

Take the short kick off thing. Everyone kicks off long because you look stupid if you give the oppo the ball on their 40\. But if you have a 30% chance of starting a set on the oppo's 40, it's probably worth the 20 or so metres you give up if you don't regather. Do you do it with a one point lead and a minute to go? Probably not. But over the course of multiple restarts it likely works in your favour.

It's like NFL. For years teams punted the ball away on fourth and short when just out of field goal range. More recently it's been demonstrated that mathematically it makes far more sense to go for it on fourth down, even though if you don't get the yardage you sacrifice field position. Going for it is the 'riskier' play and it goes against conventional wisdom, but it's absolutely not just rolling the dice and hoping to hit double 6.

spot on mate.
they are playing the numbers and their team is fit enough to give it a real go.
i like others think - the NRL may be a big leap for their style at the moment, but yep would love to see someone give them a go. would be super interesting to see !

Yeah that would be the big question mark for them in the NRL I think. In reggies they can have a team that isn't just super fit but is actually objectively fitter than their opposition - which obviously lends itself to a fast-paced game plan. It's difficult to think that you could create an NRL squad which is outright fitter than its opponents on a regular basis, at least not without a few years of turnover which, let's be real here, an untested coaching setup isn't going to get at the kind of desperate club which would take a punt on it.

On the other hand, they're obviously smart guys and maybe they'd find something else to exploit at NRL level. Unfortunately what would happen then is the usual dribblers in the media and fanbase wouldn't understand why they haven't got players running at 200mph every game and would inevitably turn on them if results aren't immediate.

It's tough to be an innovator in sport, basically.

 

[Tigersmurf]

Hang on, we are still talking about a 30% return aren't we?? That extra 20 metres is worth a lot more at NRL level then it is in Qld Cup.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Well if Cleary is in the Club's plans, it will be the best signing we have made in a long time.

 

[Guest]

Well if Cleary is in the Club's plans, it will be the best signing we have made in a long time.

You're hypothesising here simply because you don't like Taylor.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Well if Cleary is in the Club's plans, it will be the best signing we have made in a long time.

You're hypothesising here simply because you don't like Taylor.

I have a high regard for Cleary both as a coach and as a human being. A smart operator who presents and speaks very well. He also appears to have good way with the players and is the type of figure who would attract good players to the Club. Supporters of the Eagles and Roosters have very good things to say about Cleary. The same cannot be said of Taylor.