Russian invasion of Ukraine

[TrueTiger]

Here’s the thing that is not understood about the Middle East . There’s a huge need for totalitarian states , because power vacuums lead to extreme atrocities like isis etc. Unfortunately , that also means who ever is in charge , whether Sunni ,Shiite , Jewish ,whatever , that those who aren’t that apart of that particular sect/ religion , get the atrocities only inflicted on them ala. Yemen , Lebanon at various times , Iran , Iraq, Syria etc.
It’s viewed as the lesser of 2 evils. Even Afghanistan resembled more of a country under taliban rule than anything it did whilst we were running it .
The Middle East is a mess . Mainly because whichever major religion you may follow , has its origins there .

The middle east will become much stronger,the Iraq war only really hurt the innocent people and it was based on fictional WMD....
Once the Iraq ecomomy strengthens due to rich oil and other resourses it will be an international player of high esteem....knock me all you like....Ukraine.Nato the threat of WW3 isnt what it seems...everybody has a right to an opinion .....if people are right then their right if they are wrong then they have to deal with same ...God bless..

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Europeans are a band of brothers, and
Russia too is a powerful European country, and history will show that it was Russia who helped to defeat ISIS it sure was not the US.

Since the end of the cold war the US has never really thaught of being friends with Russia, why?

Instead, the US has demonised them for the past decades which has in fact forced.Russia to become increasingly friendlier with China and also become their biggest trading partner with massive trading agreements that were signed recently.

The US needed to be friends with Russia more than Russia needs the US.

The foolish ill considerations of the US's foreign policies have backfired and has resulted into a powerful partnership now consisting of Russia, China, and Iran who also have a massive ($400b) contracts with China.

They are known as the United States’ top “strategic threats” but they are getting more and more real with the New Silk Roads, the leading 21st-century project of economic integration across Eurasia.

Knowing this, The US's Deep State is becoming increasingly desperate and very worried about their control of World influences and dominance.

The US should have accepted Russia as one of their European brothers and not as an enemy by demonising them for years and years.

And this partnership of Russia, China, Iran, will be the nightmare for the US for a very long time to come.

Man this is BS . The US were right to distrust the Russians , because of how huge of a foothold communism, even today , has its roots in the powerful halls of that country , and the desire of those to enforce that on Former USSR countries , but more broadly Europe itself .
The Ukraine is low hanging fruit , yet much like Czechoslovakia for Hittler , is a statement of intent and forward operating base for future European endeavours .
Same as Poland .
I’m not pro US , but the Russians being allowed to take Ukraine is bad news for anyone not wanting a world war 3.
There’s a reason the Ukraine is the prime target . Not Uzbekistan, or Tajikistan, countries who are far closer to the Chinese border . Why not advance on them ?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The middle east will become much stronger,the Iraq war only really hurt the innocent people and it was based on fictional WMD....
Once the Iraq ecomomy strengthens due to rich oil and other resourses it will be an international player of high esteem....knock me all you like....Ukraine.Nato the threat of WW3 isnt what it seems...everybody has a right to an opinion .....if people are right then their right if they are wrong then they have to deal with same ...God bless..

What are you taking about mate ? That’s 💯 not true with the majority of western countries moving away from fossil fuels and into recyclables , and renewable energies , for starters .
And your last sentence makes no sense .
I’m stating a basic fact about life in the Middle East . Every religion has apart of its doctrine , some form of messaging about them being the only true religion . Some like Islam , have sects who believe not only is Islam the true religion, but their form of Islam is the only true form of Islam .
And because of the fact the Middle East is chock a block full of sacred sites , it will forever be a hotbed , with conflict always around the corner .

 

[Kaito]

"Are the Anglosphere nations right to treat Russia as a perpetual threat and pariah long after its global ambitions have collapsed and its military power has rusted away?"

 

[TrueTiger]

What are you taking about mate ? That’s 💯 not true with the majority of western countries moving away from fossil fuels and into recyclables , and renewable energies , for starters .
And your last sentence makes no sense .
I’m stating a basic fact about life in the Middle East . Every religion has apart of its doctrine , some form of messaging about them being the only true religion . Some like Islam , have sects who believe not only is Islam the true religion, but their form of Islam is the only true form of Islam .
And because of the fact the Middle East is chock a block full of sacred sites , it will forever be a hotbed , with conflict always around the corner .

Really,the Middle East will come out very well,they have many resources and all they need to do is get back onto an international level of trade....that is happening...my argument has nothing to do with religion...Iraq and its people were victims of the corrupt US...the many wars that they have been involved in backs that up...
I have said it before,sometimes the wrong people get the blame for things that happen...its a known fact that wars are a money making pot for some...I think that there will be much fewer conflicts when countries are able to sort their differences,without the outside interference that occurs to frequently...

 

[Tiger5150]

I never claimed that my complete opinion will be 100% accurate, who's is?

But to say that my opinion is complete fiction i think that is very harsh.

So are you saying that all of the following statements are fictitious?

Europeans are a band of brothers,

Russia too is a powerful european country

it was Russia who helped to defeat ISIS it sure was not the US.

forced.Russia to become increasingly friendlier with China and also become their biggest trading partner with massive trading agreements that were signed recently

a powerful partnership now consisting of Russia, China, and Iran who also have .massive ($400b) contracts with China.

They are known as the United States’ top “strategic threats” but they are getting more and more real with the New Silk Roads, the leading 21st-century project of economic integration across Eurasia.

I am very suprised by your unrefined reply.

OK, Ill refine it for you. The parts of your post that you have cherry picked, I dont disagree with strongly.

That was not the narrative of your post however. You post stated that the US have been actively antagonistic to Russia and had an aggressive stance towards them. This is patently untrue and demonstrably so. I included clear examples that this is false, and it is.

The Russians alone, based on their actions in Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine twice had singlehandedly poisened any possibility of a peaceful coexistence with the US, NATO or the West generally.

To be honest, I am amazed and sickened by apologists trying to paint a picture where Russias actions are anything other than disgraceful and their own fault.

 

[Tiger5150]

The Americans done little useful in Syria.

The Russians will say the west destroyed relations with them sponsoring a coup in Ukraine in 2014.

Well you know what, the Russians are full of it. Its called hybrid warfare...look it up...a more straightforward word for it is gaslighting.

It amazes me at the moment the number of people delving into whataboutism whilst whole cities an a sovereign nation are reduces to rubble by the Russians.

 

[Tiger5150]

Why global supply chains will be re-written by the 'second Cold War'

Why global supply chains will be re-written by the 'second Cold War'

The Russia-Ukraine conflict could blow apart the global economic order, including its supply chains, writes Gareth Hutchens.

www.abc.net.au

Gee, even the mainstream ABC media has caught up.

Things are moving quickly.

I agree with this 100% and I believe it will be a good thing. The West has been slumbering, worrying about upsetting a 16yo failed Swedish schoolgirl all the while trying to squeeze more profit from iPhones.

Germany has been the most proactive throughout Europe at investing in renewable energy but this week devoted billions of Euro to deveopling and increasing their own gas and oil capacity. The US had this opportunity 12 months ago but stuffed it up but IMO will eventually open up Keystone XL and do the same.

Australia no longer refines any of its own oil. We ship our own oil overseas and buy it back in refined forms. If the do do hots the fan all it would take is China to park a few ships in the south China sea and we grind to a halt.

IMO this will put a rocket up everyone to prioritise self sufficiency.

 

[Tiger5150]

Russia's demand for US guarantees may hit nuclear talks, Iran official says

The demand that sanctions on Moscow would not harm Russian cooperation with Iran is "not constructive" for talks between Tehran and global powers to revive the deal, a senior Iranian official said.

www.reuters.com

It's called leverage.

Just now on Thompson Reuters.

US should tell them to go jump

Iran have breached the JCPOA 5 times already. The reason they want to negotiate is the original deal included the US sending literal pallets of cash to Iran. The last administration stopped this as they should. Iran are bleeding and I dont understand what the US owe them.

 

[Tiger5150]

"Are the Anglosphere nations right to treat Russia as a perpetual threat and pariah long after its global ambitions have collapsed and its military power has rusted away?"

NATO offered Russia membership in 1991. Russia signed an agreement with NATO in 1994 spelling out the roadmap to full NATO membership. Russia signed the Budapest memorandum in 1994. Russia was a coooperative signatory with NATO up until they were rightly expelled in 2014 for invading Ukraine. The "Anglosphere" (nice virtue signalling name...not sure France, Germany, Italy, Eastern Europe would agree) have made repeated attempts to pull Russian into the fold but they have been thwarted by Russias own actions. They have no one else to blame.

Just quietly.....not sure residents of Kiev & Kharkiv would agree that Russias global ambitions have collapsed and its military power has rusted away

 

[Tiger5150]

On the contrary it sets up a tripolar world with 3 superpowers primarily scared of eachother and behaving themselves. They will all need to be at their best to compete for our influence. It sets up external checks and balances bringing out the best of U.S. "soft power".

Hang on, let me get this straight. You think Russia invading Ukraine is a good thing?

 

[Tiger5150]

Iraq and its people were victims of the corrupt US...the many wars that they have been involved in backs that up...

You do remember what started the first Iraq war? Clue" It wasnt the US.

I have said it before,sometimes the wrong people get the blame for things that happen...its a known fact that wars are a money making pot for some...I think that there will be much fewer conflicts when countries are able to sort their differences,without the outside interference that occurs to frequently...

Who is making money from a Russia/Ukraine confilct?

 

[Demps]

Sdoin @Tiger5150

You have a good weekend ?

 

[trentrunciman]

US should tell them to go jump

Iran have breached the JCPOA 5 times already. The reason they want to negotiate is the original deal included the US sending literal pallets of cash to Iran. The last administration stopped this as they should. Iran are bleeding and I dont understand what the US owe them.

I’d be breachin too wit Israel nearby! Hell yeah Queen!

At least the Persians protecting their oil now since our Aussie Old man D’Arcy started stealin it. Mosaddeq did his thing man

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[FinestTigers]

What are you taking about mate ? That’s 💯 not true with the majority of western countries moving away from fossil fuels and into recyclables , and renewable energies , for starters .
And your last sentence makes no sense .
I’m stating a basic fact about life in the Middle East . Every religion has apart of its doctrine , some form of messaging about them being the only true religion . Some like Islam , have sects who believe not only is Islam the true religion, but their form of Islam is the only true form of Islam .
And because of the fact the Middle East is chock a block full of sacred sites , it will forever be a hotbed , with conflict always around the corner .

Actually none of the sects claim that their religion is the only right religion but except for one sect, and that is the salafi/wahabi sect, and the only country that follows this religion is Saudi Arabia, you will find that most of the extremists are born and bred there, (most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi citizens) and guess who else follows this same religion of the Saudi's? It is the brainless barbaric ISIS that follows the religion of the Saudis, but instead of demonizing the Saudis for killing their own people, the USi in fact is still in love with tbem, do you know why? Historically for the US, Oil has more value than a humans Life.

 

[Kaito]

NATO offered Russia membership in 1991. Russia signed an agreement with NATO in 1994 spelling out the roadmap to full NATO membership. Russia signed the Budapest memorandum in 1994. Russia was a coooperative signatory with NATO up until they were rightly expelled in 2014 for invading Ukraine. The "Anglosphere" (nice virtue signalling name...not sure France, Germany, Italy, Eastern Europe would agree) have made repeated attempts to pull Russian into the fold but they have been thwarted by Russias own actions. They have no one else to blame.

Just quietly.....not sure residents of Kiev & Kharkiv would agree that Russias global ambitions have collapsed and its military power has rusted away

NATO offered Russia membership in 1991. Russia signed an agreement with NATO in 1994 spelling out the roadmap to full NATO membership. Russia signed the Budapest memorandum in 1994. Russia was a coooperative signatory with NATO up until they were rightly expelled in 2014 for invading Ukraine. The "Anglosphere" (nice virtue signalling name...not sure France, Germany, Italy, Eastern Europe would agree) have made repeated attempts to pull Russian into the fold but they have been thwarted by Russias own actions. They have no one else to blame.

Just quietly.....not sure residents of Kiev & Kharkiv would agree that Russias global ambitions have collapsed and its military power has rusted away

I copy pasted that from dailymail.co.uk don't mind me good sir.. 😂😂

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I copy pasted that from dailymail.co.uk don't mind me good sir.. 😂😂

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[Deleted member 3518]

Really,the Middle East will come out very well,they have many resources and all they need to do is get back onto an international level of trade....that is happening...my argument has nothing to do with religion...Iraq and its people were victims of the corrupt US...the many wars that they have been involved in backs that up...
I have said it before,sometimes the wrong people get the blame for things that happen...its a known fact that wars are a money making pot for some...I think that there will be much fewer conflicts when countries are able to sort their differences,without the outside interference that occurs to frequently...

That’s not true either . Saddam was a lunatic , murdering Shiite families by the millions. All the US did was stupidly create a power vacuum for which there still has not been a replacement . Their motives were suspect at best , but to imply that that country wasn’t hugely up the creek prior to that , is manipulative at best .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Actually none of the sects claim that their religion is the only right religion but except for one sect, and that is the salafi/wahabi sect, and the only country that follows this religion is Saudi Arabia, you will find that most of the extremists are born and bred there, (most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi citizens) and guess who else follows this same religion of the Saudi's? It is the brainless barbaric ISIS that follows the religion of the Saudis, but instead of demonizing the Saudis for killing their own people, the USi in fact is still in love with tbem, do you know why? Historically for the US, Oil has more value than a humans Life.

So the Sunnis and Shiites haven’t been murdering each other by the millions for a thousand years ?
What about the Turks Armenians ? Is that a hoax? Lebanon? Israel / Palestine ? Your implication that Wahhabism is the root of the problem is blaming the symptoms for the root cause .
The embers were always burning , they just stoked the fires .

 

[FinestTigers]

So the Sunnis and Shiites haven’t been murdering each other by the millions for a thousand years ?
What about the Turks Armenians ? Is that a hoax? Lebanon? Israel / Palestine ? Your implication that Wahhabism is the root of the problem is blaming the symptoms for the root cause .
The embers were always burning , they just stoked the fires .

This is a very deep and complex topic, i'll get back to you on this one👍