Sacked Tim Sheens ponders taking Tigers to court for $1m

[Yossarian]

hey, here's a thought, maybe get 'if we don't make the 8 I'll step down' in writing next time

Why did Tigers management sack the coach when they knew that he still had 2 years left on his contract? In legal terms that equates to a redundancy payment of 2 years to the sacked coach. I very much doubt that the coach would be silly enough to a clause about quitting if the team did not make the top 8\. Unexpected injuries to main players and emotional circumstances each of which occurred in 2012 are not the fault of the coach but can completely put your season off track.

It would say that the responsibility for the problems which have culminated into crisis over the past weeks falls to varying degrees on the following;

1\. The Manager whose job it was to know the legal repercussions of breaking the coaches contract.
2\. The Management/Directors who came up with the idea of giving the Coach an unknown role with the West Tigers after sacking him as head coach.
**3\. Former Balmain players who became involved in the coaching saga**. Unfortunately, as well as a football brain, which they do have, they needed to have some legal and business acumen.

Who? Apart from former players responding to media questions, who are these former players and what involvement do you allege they've had? Is there any evidence or is this another unsubstantiated Benny Elias pot shot?

 

[westy81]

I could never understand why they gave him another three years…ridiculous.

They did only want to give him 2 years but sheens wanted 3 and when penrith came into contention they bumped it up to 3 years
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[Guest]

The best thing out of all of this that he wants to leave thats a good thing lets put this one to bed in a hurry and sign a new coach.

Where on earth does it say he wants to leave??? Quite simply, it doesn't. If Sheens wasn't being forced out the door he'd still be here next year. Even with him being forced out early, the Tigers are now in a position of having to pay Sheens the remainder of his contract which Sheens will certainly take, and leave the Tigers in a worse financial state.

 

[Furious1]

The whole thing is ridiculous. Of course Sheens wants his money. Last year the club re-signed him to a 3 year deal. If not for that Sheens would be at Penrith secure for another couple of years. Instead, the club has thrown him on the scrap heap and he is now clubless and jobless. Nobody here has any idea what financial committments he may have, which could have been based around his contract. The club should have expected nothing less than Sheens wanting a full payout. Anything else was always going to be a bonus.

The club has almost effectively retired Sheens. At his age, it's going to be quite difficult to pick up another substantial contract if he is out of the game for a couple of years.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

IMHO, a contract is a contract, how can anyone accept that breaking a contract leaves no consequences?
Would anyone accept such an action from their employer? :slight_smile:
By saying that, all this chaos was created by WT administration by committing to 3 yrs contract.
We just reap what they sow :frowning:

 

[851]

The whole thing is ridiculous. Of course Sheens wants his money. Last year the club re-signed him to a 3 year deal. If not for that Sheens would be at Penrith secure for another couple of years. Instead, the club has thrown him on the scrap heap and he is now clubless and jobless. Nobody here has any idea what financial committments he may have, which could have been based around his contract. The club should have expected nothing less than Sheens wanting a full payout. Anything else was always going to be a bonus.

The club has almost effectively retired Sheens. At his age, it's going to be quite difficult to pick up another substantial contract if he is out of the game for a couple of years.

It is his own fault he is out of work,he mucked around with the halves all season,9 halves and only 1 injury,he had Benji out of position most of the year,he had Farah at 7,Fulton,Ayshford and Lawrence at 6 all the while moving 3 or 4 players to cover 1 injury,he hasn't bought or developed a halfback,what does he expect.
He has had a free ride on accountability from the club,the fans and media for way too long,he is now accountable and he doesn't like it,too freakin bad Tim,welcome to the world every other coach is in,I for one will be glad to see the back of you,after watching you try the same crap with the national team on saturday I am so glad you are out of here.

 

[Irvine]

The whole thing is ridiculous. Of course Sheens wants his money. Last year the club re-signed him to a 3 year deal. If not for that Sheens would be at Penrith secure for another couple of years. Instead, the club has thrown him on the scrap heap and he is now clubless and jobless. Nobody here has any idea what financial committments he may have, which could have been based around his contract. The club should have expected nothing less than Sheens wanting a full payout. Anything else was always going to be a bonus.

The club has almost effectively retired Sheens. At his age, it's going to be quite difficult to pick up another substantial contract if he is out of the game for a couple of years.

It is his own fault he is out of work,he mucked around with the halves all season,9 halves and only 1 injury,he had Benji out of position most of the year,he had Farah at 7,Fulton,Ayshford and Lawrence at 6 all the while moving 3 or 4 players to cover 1 injury,he hasn't bought or developed a halfback,what does he expect.
He has had a free ride on accountability from the club,the fans and media for way too long,he is now accountable and he doesn't like it,too freakin bad Tim,welcome to the world every other coach is in,I for one will be glad to see the back of you,after watching you try the same crap with the national team on saturday I am so glad you are out of here.

The guy came up with a great plan. Make the semi's get a new deal.. stuff around with the halves..get sacked…get two years pay for not working...brilliant.
Sheens can't stay and neither can any of his friends which are currently employed by the club...They all need to go and true professionals employed. No more jobs for the boys.

 

[Staks]

Well played Sir Timothy.

Sheens can thank Humpty and his Balmain cohorts on the Wests Tigers board for making him a lazy million. I guess its a fiitting reward for the services he provided them over the past 10 years.

Can see Sheens sitting on his balcony, looking the Blue Mountains, sipping a cup of earl gray and a small wry smile starting to form as he thinks of the easy cash he has been rewarded with.

Well played Sir Timothy…. a pure Sheenius.

 

[tigerbenji]

We gave him a 3 year contract & we have told him to go, then we offer him another job so as we dont have to pay him out. Sheens is entitled to his money, get a loan & pay him out & lets get on with running a Football team.

 

[tig_prmz]

…but he has told those close to him he intends to engage his solicitors this seek a full payout of the two remaining years on his contract...

are you kidding me?? that's ALLLLL they have to write this article?
no quotes, no names, yet they have the balls to write up something as srs as this in the newspaper. i hope tim takes DT to the court before us... bloody pathetic "journalism"

 

[magpiecol]

The whole thing is ridiculous. Of course Sheens wants his money. Last year the club re-signed him to a 3 year deal. If not for that Sheens would be at Penrith secure for another couple of years. Instead, the club has thrown him on the scrap heap and he is now clubless and jobless. Nobody here has any idea what financial committments he may have, which could have been based around his contract. The club should have expected nothing less than Sheens wanting a full payout. Anything else was always going to be a bonus.

The club has almost effectively retired Sheens. At his age, it's going to be quite difficult to pick up another substantial contract if he is out of the game for a couple of years.

Rubbish!!

He could have had the coaching role at the Warriors and can still be employed by the Weststigers. So he had employment possibilities.

He had to go, full stop. However, the people who resigned him for 3 years should be going as well.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Well played Sir Timothy.

Sheens can thank Humpty and his Balmain cohorts on the Wests Tigers board for making him a lazy million. I guess its a fiitting reward for the services he provided them over the past 10 years.

Can see Sheens sitting on his balcony, looking the Blue Mountains, sipping a cup of earl gray and a small wry smile starting to form as he thinks of the easy cash he has been rewarded with.

Well played Sir Timothy…. a pure Sheenius.

There is an even bigger irony in this scenario. Sheens and Humphreys played a fractured and disengaged Wests Group to a tea with the push for a merged State Cup team. They were backed by Balmain and hence, Sheens was retained.

Now, with the Wests Group unified, Sheens' demands could send Balmain to the wall.

 

[MacDougall]

I'm torn. On one hand Sheens said he'd stand down if they didn't make the eight but he didn't say that he'd do it without pay. On the other hand the Tigers seem to have begged him not to take the job at Penrith, offered him a three year deal to prevent it, then sacked him a year later when the cushy Penrith job was the off the table. He has a right to be bitter.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

As much as Sheens is an arrogant sob, he's only taking advantage of a loophole in his contract as im sure anyone would. Blame our wonderful board for the predicament we have found ourselves in

 

[genoshan]

Put yourself in Tim's shoes. He has a contract worth $900k. If I was owed $900k without any KPI clauses, I would damn well be wanting my cash too.

Silly part was not adding the KPI clauses prior to signing him up for 3 years.

 

[system]

KPI's being added would have seen him bale to the Wiff. Would have been the best really but it is what it is

 

[barra]

The powers that be were so scared of losing Sheens after a couple of good years that they bent over to keep him. I don't really like what I see of the guy, but Sheens is probably entitled to whatever he can get.

I'm with Tigerbenji, negotiate a pay-out, get a loan if necessary, and start running the club properly. Make an astute coaching appointment, leave this mess behind and look to the future.

 

[supercoach]

This is just part of the legal game. His legal team will go for a 100% payout, the Tigers will argue he has been offered another job on the same money, in other words a side ways move and they will argue that it is their right and sometime in the very near future a undisclosed settlement will be reached by both parties.

Sheens will walk away with plenty but I doubt it will be 100%. You cant blame him for trying to get as much as he can, he did not break the contract. Although the ironical thing is, Tim had very little respect for his players contracts by trying to offload every second player under contract at the club yet when it comes to his its set in stone. Of course the difference their is, the players were in demand where poor old Tim seems unwanted.

Anyway lets hope this is all dead and buried very soon,a new coach is appointed and we can start our 2013 campaign

 

[GNR4LIFE]

And to think it was only 12 months ago people were calling Humpty one of the best operators in the business
Guys worse than Paul Osbourne

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

get a loan if necessary.

A loan against what?