Sandor Earl interview about to start

[cqtiger]

Smeg,

Do you remember Robbie Farah saying something about a milkshake he was just given to drink, he accepted he didnt really know what was in it but the club people told him it's ok and drink it ?

He did this. The players need to feel they can trust the doctors and specialists around them. De-registering the quacks for administering the supplements and other things is the solution. Players ask questions, but might not be given the right answers.

I also feel a lot of the responsibility needs to be shouldered by the clubs.

Most clubs are fine because their permanent people know what to give players and what not to give.

It is the few clubs who want an "edge" that employs external people who should be questioned by their players.

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[Furious1]

Smeg,

Do you remember Robbie Farah saying something about a milkshake he was just given to drink, he accepted he didnt really know what was in it but the club people told him it's ok and drink it ?

He did this. The players need to feel they can trust the doctors and specialists around them. De-registering the quacks for administering the supplements and other things is the solution. Players ask questions, but might not be given the right answers.

I also feel a lot of the responsibility needs to be shouldered by the clubs.

Farah would have had the milkshake at the Wests Tigers facilities, not some clinic in Cabramatta.

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[alex]

Resting a whole supplements program on one person is a very ignorant move by any club. Leaving the responsibility with one person is poor quality control. Surely there needs to be multiple people checking along the way for this sort of stuff?

 

[happy_tiger]

The problem Cronulla had was due to lack of funds and a failure for someone to be overseeing the whole sports science program

 

[Fraze23]

I feel for Earl. I think he was led down the garden path by Dank. As a young bloke struggling to get a start with two busted shoulders, it seems as though Dank was the only one interested in helping him with his rehabilitation. To the Panthers he would of been expendable. I can understand how he could of been swept up in it all. Like what Earl said he wasn't going to a blokes back shed for shots, it was at a legitimate clinic.

The issues I have is when he was told not to tell the club doctor where he was going and what he was doing. And secondly who was paying for it? Earl never forked out for it and by the looks of things the club never footed the bill either. What does Dank gain from any of this if the bills aren't being paid? Why didn't the treatment stop whilst the bills were not being paid?

There is yet to be any evidence presented against Dank, and he stated through Weidler on the Footy Show last night that what he gave Earl was legal. IMO it would be a huge injustice if we see players suspended from the game for 1-4 years for taking supplements under Dank's advice and nothing happens to Dank himself.

 

[pHyR3]

The club woulda payed i reckon, whether they admit it or not.

Also, how much can we do to Dank? Don't think it was illegal in terms of the law what he did, right? So do we still have the power to fine him and would banning him do anything anyway, he's gonna be hardpressed to get a job id guess…

 

[Yossarian]

Sandor made it pretty clear he has no evidence to incriminate another NRL player. Ings statement again showed he did not listen to the evidence given. Overall the NRL will cut a deal to protect the clubs, especially Manly and poor Sandor and others will be wiped out of the game.

My opinion is the clubs should be held responsible.

He may have no direct evidence , but I'll bet he will have told ASADA whatever he has heard

They didn't grab Watmong's or G Train's phones by accident

Happy I'd suggest that all those statements are true.

So you don't think Yoss that Earl wouldn't have told ASADA any rumours he had heard ,even if it was second hand info

He gets a 80 percent reduction if he can supply any info that leads to any other drug cheats

I reckon he will have told ASADA about any rumours , he just said that on TV to cover his arse in case he was wrong

I'm saying he would have told them whatever he knew. Like I said I think what you said rings true - I'm agreeing!!

Besides he can say whatever he wants on TV but he's an even bigger idiot if he refused to answer questions in a star chamber. At that point you're looking at gaol time.

 

[happy_tiger]

["]Sandor made it pretty clear he has no evidence to incriminate another NRL player. Ings statement again showed he did not listen to the evidence given. Overall the NRL will cut a deal to protect the clubs, especially Manly and poor Sandor and others will be wiped out of the game.

My opinion is the clubs should be held responsible.

He may have no direct evidence , but I'll bet he will have told ASADA whatever he has heard

They didn't grab Watmong's or G Train's phones by accident

Happy I'd suggest that all those statements are true.

So you don't think Yoss that Earl wouldn't have told ASADA any rumours he had heard ,even if it was second hand info

He gets a 80 percent reduction if he can supply any info that leads to any other drug cheats

I reckon he will have told ASADA about any rumours , he just said that on TV to cover his arse in case he was wrong

I'm saying he would have told them whatever he knew. Like I said I think what you said rings true - I'm agreeing!!

Besides he can say whatever he wants on TV but he's an even bigger idiot if he refused to answer questions in a star chamber. At that point you're looking at gaol time.
Sorry Yoss I read that you were agreeing with Sheer 64

I'm not used to you agreeing with me :laughing:

 

[Yossarian]

I feel for Earl. I think he was led down the garden path by Dank. As a young bloke struggling to get a start with two busted shoulders, it seems as though Dank was the only one interested in helping him with his rehabilitation. To the Panthers he would of been expendable. I can understand how he could of been swept up in it all. Like what Earl said he wasn't going to a blokes back shed for shots, it was at a legitimate clinic.

The issues I have is when he was told not to tell the club doctor where he was going and what he was doing. And secondly who was paying for it? Earl never forked out for it and by the looks of things the club never footed the bill either. What does Dank gain from any of this if the bills aren't being paid? Why didn't the treatment stop whilst the bills were not being paid?

There is yet to be any evidence presented against Dank, and he stated through Weidler on the Footy Show last night that what he gave Earl was legal. IMO it would be a huge injustice if we see players suspended from the game for 1-4 years for taking supplements under Dank's advice and nothing happens to Dank himself.

I've got little doubt Dank talked a lot of rubbish but some of those guys taking the gear were either all to willing to suspend doubt and go along or knew what they were doing was at best marginal and most probably against doping rules.

I think you also need to change that last paragraph to there is no evidence publicly released. There is a stack of evidence on Dank held by the various agencies investigating these matters. As for Earl, he's basically sourcing stuff outside the club system and then moving the gear on to others. He may consider himself hard done by but I really don't think he's the innocent fall guy he's presenting himself to be. I'd wait and see whether his evidence is tested in court before I'd bet my house on its total accuracy. I'm not saying he's lying but I'm not saying he's being 100% honest either.

 

[Fraze23]

I feel for Earl. I think he was led down the garden path by Dank. As a young bloke struggling to get a start with two busted shoulders, it seems as though Dank was the only one interested in helping him with his rehabilitation. To the Panthers he would of been expendable. I can understand how he could of been swept up in it all. Like what Earl said he wasn't going to a blokes back shed for shots, it was at a legitimate clinic.

The issues I have is when he was told not to tell the club doctor where he was going and what he was doing. And secondly who was paying for it? Earl never forked out for it and by the looks of things the club never footed the bill either. What does Dank gain from any of this if the bills aren't being paid? Why didn't the treatment stop whilst the bills were not being paid?

There is yet to be any evidence presented against Dank, and he stated through Weidler on the Footy Show last night that what he gave Earl was legal. IMO it would be a huge injustice if we see players suspended from the game for 1-4 years for taking supplements under Dank's advice and nothing happens to Dank himself.

I've got little doubt Dank talked a lot of rubbish but some of those guys taking the gear were either all to willing to suspend doubt and go along or knew what they were doing was at best marginal and most probably against doping rules.

I think you also need to change that last paragraph to there is no evidence publicly released. There is a stack of evidence on Dank held by the various agencies investigating these matters. As for Earl, he's basically sourcing stuff outside the club system and then moving the gear on to others. He may consider himself hard done by but I really don't think he's the innocent fall guy he's presenting himself to be. I'd wait and see whether his evidence is tested in court before I'd bet my house on its total accuracy. I'm not saying he's lying but I'm not saying he's being 100% honest either.

I guess that's the biggest thing at this point Yoss, we only have a small portion of the story and are trying to draw a conclusion from it all. It will be very interesting when and if it all comes out.

 

[system]

Smeg,

Do you remember Robbie Farah saying something about a milkshake he was just given to drink, he accepted he didnt really know what was in it but the club people told him it's ok and drink it ?

He did this. The players need to feel they can trust the doctors and specialists around them. De-registering the quacks for administering the supplements and other things is the solution. Players ask questions, but might not be given the right answers.

I also feel a lot of the responsibility needs to be shouldered by the clubs.

This is why I am saying the NRL is bush league.

For mine there is never any excuse for an athlete not to know what they put into their bodies. Now that all of this has come out there is even less leeway for anyone to excuse that old excuse ever again.

 

[Hbom]

Smeg,

Do you remember Robbie Farah saying something about a milkshake he was just given to drink, he accepted he didnt really know what was in it but the club people told him it's ok and drink it ?

He did this. The players need to feel they can trust the doctors and specialists around them. De-registering the quacks for administering the supplements and other things is the solution. Players ask questions, but might not be given the right answers.

I also feel a lot of the responsibility needs to be shouldered by the clubs.

This is why I am saying the NRL is bush league.

For mine there is never any excuse for an athlete not to know what they put into their bodies. Now that all of this has come out there is even less leeway for anyone to excuse that old excuse ever again.

As a 13 year old, 20 years ago, I had this very fact drilled into me at a state level cricket camp. They told us there would never be any excuse for not knowing what drug went into your body. If they drilled that into a bunch of 13 year olds, I can't imagine how many times professional athletes have been warned by the time they are playing NRL.

If you allow the "doctor gave me it and said it was fine" argument, then you will never ban any cheating athlete. It will always be the doctors fault.

 

[Newtown]

What I have trouble understanding with this issue is what did Dank hope to gain by feeding these drugs to players. Surely he could not have been stupid enough to think that it would enhance his reputation and garner him much more business?

 

[LaT]

What I have trouble understanding with this issue is what did Dank hope to gain by feeding these drugs to players. Surely he could not have been stupid enough to think that it would enhance his reputation and garner him much more business?

Hanging out and treating leading sporting personailities probably had its allure. In his mind, it might have been cool by association.

There would also be the element of building his name within certain circles.

 

[Yossarian]

Roy is at his best when he sticks to the ASADA business.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/spectre-of-asada-sanctions-threat-to-world-cup-squads-20130926-2ugxn.html

I'd suggest NZ and Australia would be most concerned. I don't think the Poms would be overly concerned.

 

[Newtown]

CEO tries to distance Dank from Penrith

Rob Forsaith, AAPSeptember 27, 2013, 4:20 pm

Penrith chief executive Warren Wilson has questioned former player Sandor Earl's allegation that an official from the NRL club was behind the winger's first meeting with controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank.

Earl was last month issued an infraction notice, having admitted to the use and trafficking of banned substance CJC-1295.

In an interview with the Nine Network on Thursday, Earl alleged that Panthers' strength and conditioning staff Matt Ryan and Carl Jennings told the players in 2011 that Dank was "consulting with the club … and helping with our programs".

Earl added that he was introduced to Dank by the club's strength and conditioning coach.

Wilson was adamant on Friday that Dank was "never a paid employee or consultant of the club".

"From what I've been able to find out, he came up in late 2010 and early 2011 and was pushing Hypoxi - which is oxygen training equipment," he added.

"The club rejected it.

"... Did he have an official role at the club? No.

"It's already been on the record that the methodology (of Dank) was to either get an official role with a club and, if that wasn't successful, then he made contact with individuals."

Wilson revealed the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) had requested an interview with Ryan, but labelled Earl's recollection of events as mere opinion.

"That's what Sandor said last night (that he was introduced to Dank at Penrith by one of their employees), but is that in fact what happened? That's one person's opinion," he said.

"... I had a conversation with him (Ryan) and, at the request of ASADA, there's a meeting set up.

"... I feel for Matt and I hope he has done nothing wrong. And he tells me he's done nothing wrong.

"Until that's proven otherwise, he has the benefit of the presumption of innocence."

Jennings is a former British shot put champion, who subsequently joined ex-Penrith coach Matt Elliott at the Warriors.

In addition to Elliott and Jennings, the club also has a new doctor, CEO and general manager of rugby league since Earl's transgression.

Wilson said the invoices for Earl's peptide injections came from a registered doctor and were put through Medicare, hence they failed to arouse suspicion and "passed the reasonable person test".

"Penrith paid the invoices. Penrith did not know, according to those we've been able to talk to, that he was going off-site to do any of the things he did," he said.
Wilson rejected the suggestion the club had failed Earl, and wouldn't comment on potential legal action against the 24-year-old.

 

[tigergirlz]

Penrith paid the bills!!!! And then deny any association.

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[Yossarian]

Penrith paid the bills!!!! And then deny any association.

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I think that's more a reflection of the shambolic systems Penrith had in place at the time.

 

[tigergirlz]

Not sure shambolism is a legal defence

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[system]

Penrith paid the bills!!!! And then deny any association.

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Paid doctors bills, never bills for products