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Second-tier salary cap woes prevent Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor wielding axe

Date April 27, 2016 - 8:00PM

Adrian Proszenko
Chief Rugby League Reporter
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Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor won't be able to threaten underperforming players with the axe, with the club right on the limit of its second-tier salary cap.

After a bright start to the season, the pressure is on the club after five consecutive losses, including the meek 60-6 surrender to Canberra last weekend. That performance has heaped pressure on Taylor as he prepares to coach against his former team, South Sydney, at ANZ Stadium on Thursday.

Not that personnel changes are likely. The club has been forced to use 24 players after a quarter of the season, one fewer than the amount needed to get through all of last year. That is in stark contrast to the top teams, with Cronulla and North Queensland using 19 players and Brisbane using 20.

Taylor inherited a raft of salary cap issues when he took the reins and those problems have been exacerbated by a spate of injuries this season. Taylor has had to blood Josh Addo-Carr, Josh Aloiai and JJ Felise, while back-up recruits Joel Edwards, Jack Littlejohn and Jordan Rankin have made their first-grade debuts.

The granting of early releases to Jesse Parahi and Lamar Manuel-Liolevave has consequences to the club's second-tier balance sheet. The lack of depth has been further exposed by an ankle injury to captain Aaron Woods, while Matt Ballin's knee injury has prevented him from playing since shifting from Manly.

The issues mean Taylor has little scope to drop underperforming players. Taylor said his team was still smarting from the Raiders hiding.

"They have been hurting, big-time," Taylor said. "The group has been hurting for a number of weeks now and that's the hardest part about it. We've been really close in all of our games this season, particularly the ones we've lost, to playing our best footy.

"Then last week we had an aberration, that was a performance that just wasn't good enough. We let everybody down who is involved in our club, we let our fans down too, which is disappointing.

"One game doesn't make a season and eight games don't make a season. It's one really poor performance - at this point that's all it is. We get a chance to bounce back."

Taylor knows he is under pressure as his side sits above only the Knights and Roosters on the ladder.

"It's part of the game, it's part of this job and it's part of a lot of jobs in the world today," he said. "I'm fine because what I know is what matters is our performance. How things have gone this week is based on the fact that we played really poorly and it wasn't good enough. That's what comes on the back of that sort of performance.

"It's up to us, we control the pressure by performing better. If we don't perform better the pressure will remain or it will increase. If we do it will go away. We're in charge of that as a club, we're in charge of that as a team and we're the ones who can do something about it."

Taylor brushed off suggestions his team were no longer playing for him. "It's clear to see that the performances this season have been full of great character," he said. "It was only six days prior to the Canberra game that we took the Melbourne Storm into extra time and played a really strong game. That stuff comes on the back of one poor performance, I find that stuff disappointing …

"You're not happy when you're sitting in the coach's box and you see the team performing poorly but it's not due to what I'll receive from the fans and the media, it's because you're disappointed in your own performance. We have absolute pride in our performance and that wasn't good enough last week."
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So blokes like Felise and JAC, who have already played firsts. If they get picked again, will that affect the cap?
 
But why did he pick Malone in the first place other than using other options, and why did he no select a specialist winger from round one instead of Rankin…and I could go on and on.

Easy to fall back on the old chestnut,the second tier cap. Although it is the jurno making the excuses not Taylor.

Really just another story trying to promote interest in a game tomorrow night that will struggle to get a crowd of 10 thousand
 
Yawn….
Stop giving excuses and actually provide solutions.

I like how releasing 2 players have cap holds, seriously why release them then?

Surley Parahi was a mutual agreement and isnt a cap hold so he can play in the olympics if it still is a cap hold we are still a dumb management club.
 
@supercoach said:
But why did he pick Malone in the first place other than using other options, and why did he no select a specialist winger from round one instead of Rankin…and I could go on and on.

Easy to fall back on the old chestnut,the second tier cap. Although it is the jurno making the excuses not Taylor.

Really just another story trying to promote interest in a game tomorrow night that will struggle to get a crowd of 10 thousand

I guess that confirms that JT views Malone a NRL top 25 squad player….
 
His fault for not selecting top 25 players like Chee-Kam and whoever else. He is also the one who re-signed Buchanan, Lovett etc.
 
@gallagher said:
So blokes like Felise and JAC, who have already played firsts. If they get picked again, will that affect the cap?

I think if they're outside the top 25 they get match payments for every game. Felise may avoid it because of the separate NYC salary cap.

@Mighty Tiger said:
I guess that confirms that JT views Malone a NRL top 25 squad player….

It's not about whether he views him as top 25 or not, it's just based on the 25 players with the highest value contracts. It does indicate that either Milone somehow got himself into the top 25, or JT has been burning 2nd tier match payments on Milone.
 
Haha…WT have Salary cap pressures(again)...yet the "star" clubs like Roosters (who has also been hit hard with injuries)...magically avoid this issue.....hmmmm
 
@Geo. said:
Second-tier salary cap woes prevent Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor wielding axe

Date April 27, 2016 - 8:00PM

Adrian Proszenko
Chief Rugby League Reporter
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Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor won't be able to threaten underperforming players with the axe, with the club right on the limit of its second-tier salary cap.

After a bright start to the season, the pressure is on the club after five consecutive losses, including the meek 60-6 surrender to Canberra last weekend. That performance has heaped pressure on Taylor as he prepares to coach against his former team, South Sydney, at ANZ Stadium on Thursday.

Not that personnel changes are likely. The club has been forced to use 24 players after a quarter of the season, one fewer than the amount needed to get through all of last year. That is in stark contrast to the top teams, with Cronulla and North Queensland using 19 players and Brisbane using 20.

Taylor inherited a raft of salary cap issues when he took the reins and those problems have been exacerbated by a spate of injuries this season. Taylor has had to blood Josh Addo-Carr, Josh Aloiai and JJ Felise, while back-up recruits Joel Edwards, Jack Littlejohn and Jordan Rankin have made their first-grade debuts.

The granting of early releases to Jesse Parahi and Lamar Manuel-Liolevave has consequences to the club's second-tier balance sheet. The lack of depth has been further exposed by an ankle injury to captain Aaron Woods, while Matt Ballin's knee injury has prevented him from playing since shifting from Manly.

The issues mean Taylor has little scope to drop underperforming players. Taylor said his team was still smarting from the Raiders hiding.

"They have been hurting, big-time," Taylor said. "The group has been hurting for a number of weeks now and that's the hardest part about it. We've been really close in all of our games this season, particularly the ones we've lost, to playing our best footy.

"Then last week we had an aberration, that was a performance that just wasn't good enough. We let everybody down who is involved in our club, we let our fans down too, which is disappointing.

"One game doesn't make a season and eight games don't make a season. It's one really poor performance - at this point that's all it is. We get a chance to bounce back."

Taylor knows he is under pressure as his side sits above only the Knights and Roosters on the ladder.

"It's part of the game, it's part of this job and it's part of a lot of jobs in the world today," he said. "I'm fine because what I know is what matters is our performance. How things have gone this week is based on the fact that we played really poorly and it wasn't good enough. That's what comes on the back of that sort of performance.

"It's up to us, we control the pressure by performing better. If we don't perform better the pressure will remain or it will increase. If we do it will go away. We're in charge of that as a club, we're in charge of that as a team and we're the ones who can do something about it."

Taylor brushed off suggestions his team were no longer playing for him. "It's clear to see that the performances this season have been full of great character," he said. "It was only six days prior to the Canberra game that we took the Melbourne Storm into extra time and played a really strong game. That stuff comes on the back of one poor performance, I find that stuff disappointing …

"You're not happy when you're sitting in the coach's box and you see the team performing poorly but it's not due to what I'll receive from the fans and the media, it's because you're disappointed in your own performance. We have absolute pride in our performance and that wasn't good enough last week."
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Jeez JT , don't you ever get embarrassed by the B/S that you shovel around so much, if you put half as much time in getting some of these Nongs to at least resemble first graders, rather than trying to snow every media outlet in Sydney, we'd all be better off.
Do you ever read any of this stuff that you peddle "I'm fine because what I know, is what matters is our performance" FGS who do you think you are actually convincing
People.

Why don't you , do yourself ,and some of your players( two in particular) a favour, and put yourself and the team on a media blackout until you can at least be mistaken for a NRL team, forget the excuses and start demanding ( do you know what that means) that they actually tackle those blokes who run over the top of us most weeks.
Forget the talking it up. Admit that we are in the crapper and stop picking players out of position and out of their depth,
Start and earn your money , or resign and take a couple of your mates with you.
I never expect much from this club and that is exactly what you and some of your playersare delivering
 
@tigerap said:
Haha…WT have Salary cap pressures(again)...yet the "star" clubs like Roosters (who has also been hit hard with injuries)...magically avoid this issue.....hmmmm

Salary Cap issues are a good excuse when the season goes pear shape
I'm not saying we don't have them, but I'm convinced that their not as acute as they want us to believe
 
I don't get the reasoning behind having a second tier salary cap - whats its purpose - it certainly doesn't even things up and only hinders teams who have to use players outside of the top 25 or those that have a weak top 25 ( us ). It favours teams like NT, Brisbane etc who rarely have to go outside their top25\. To me its restricting those players who are not in the top 25 but blossom once the season kicks off. Surely it would be fairer to make the salary cap one amount and allow clubs to select say 50 players in that cap. Any one of those 50 can be selected for NRL, State cup and remainder go back to feeder clubs. Next round everyone is in the mix again. - u20s remains separate as it will go soon anyway
 
there are no direct quotes that say 2nd tier salary cap restrictions. these are the top 25 according to TT
Teddy
Noffa
Kev
Simona
Rankin
Moses
Brooks
Sue
Sirro
Lawrence
Woods
Farah
Grant
Ava
Aloiai
Cherrington
Chee Kam
Buchanan
Halatau
Lovett
Ballin
Hunt
Edwards
Littlejohn
Drinkwater
the next cab off the rank is Milone!

only ones we've played outside these are JAC and felise. there wouldn't be any 2nd tier salary cap issue as most people dont want anyone outside the top 25 anyway.

the only reason i believe JT isn't changing the team is to keep stability.
 
Just means there were some ordinary selections in the Top 25.

Recruiting blokes that want to pack it in in the pre season or go back to Rugby.

Makes it worse really.
 
@diedpretty said:
I don't get the reasoning behind having a second tier salary cap - whats its purpose - it certainly doesn't even things up and only hinders teams who have to use players outside of the top 25 or those that have a weak top 25 ( us ). It favours teams like NT, Brisbane etc who rarely have to go outside their top25\. To me its restricting those players who are not in the top 25 but blossom once the season kicks off. Surely it would be fairer to make the salary cap one amount and allow clubs to select say 50 players in that cap. Any one of those 50 can be selected for NRL, State cup and remainder go back to feeder clubs. Next round everyone is in the mix again. - u20s remains separate as it will go soon anyway

It's meant to stop clubs hoarding players. Whatever structure is put in place you can be sure that the same old clubs will manipulate it to their favour.

I agree that the 2nd tier cap as it is operates unfairly and restricts opportunities for players who develop well mid-season and punishes clubs unfortunate enough to get struck down with injuries.
 
@tig_prmz said:
there are no direct quotes that say 2nd tier salary cap restrictions. these are the top 25 according to TT
Teddy
Noffa
Kev
Simona
Rankin
Moses
Brooks
Sue
Sirro
Lawrence
Woods
Farah
Grant
Ava
Aloiai
Cherrington
Chee Kam
Buchanan
Halatau
Lovett
Ballin
Hunt
Edwards
Littlejohn
Drinkwater
the next cab off the rank is Milone!

only ones we've played outside these are JAC and felise. there wouldn't be any 2nd tier salary cap issue as most people dont want anyone outside the top 25 anyway.

the only reason i believe JT isn't changing the team is to keep stability.

So if that top 25 is right the only player outside of it who is consistently playing is Milone. Surely he cant be using up that much of the cap.
 
Am I missing something? If there is a top 25 and we've used 24 players why are we in such a hole? And if Chee Kam and Hunt are first rather than second tier players why can't they get a crack?
 
@Nelson said:
It's not about whether he views him as top 25 or not, it's just based on the 25 players with the highest value contracts. It does indicate that either Milone somehow got himself into the top 25, or JT has been burning 2nd tier match payments on Milone.

The last sentence is pretty scary, whichever is true.
We obviously have some pretty ordinary talent on decent $$ in that top 25, but this is a pretty desperate PR move from the club. Would tend to suggest that JT is here for the long haul though.
 

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