Sheens attempting to do what he did in 2003, re clearout??

[innsaneink]

Thats right it is my opinion. Its my right to articulate it.

My point was yes there is deadwood in the club and yes there has been for some time. Why were they all re-signed and then told to move on? As of today there are 8 confirmed blokes leaving at seasons end. If you believe the rumors it may end up being 10+, most with years left on current contracts.

With only Blair being seriously rumored to be joining us that means that a heap of NYC players will be regulars in the top grade next year. At the time of these contract extensions, that would not have been the case.

**What has changed?** IMO we must be in deep poo with the auditors…

Yes, in cap trouble.

Plus Sheens got another fat 3 year deal in his back pocket

 

[cnx_tigers]

Geez people talk crap here. "Deadwood" is the reason for the cleanout? Please explain how Heighno (our hardest working forward)…Gibbs (our best defensive forward and a bloke who's genuinely improved the past 12 months)...and Fifita (our best forward prospect to come through in years)...are "deadwood".

Seriously, please explain.

 

[Balmain_Bug]

Geez people talk crap here. "Deadwood" is the reason for the cleanout? Please explain how Heighno (our hardest working forward)…Gibbs (our best defensive forward and a bloke who's genuinely improved the past 12 months)...and Fifita (our best forward prospect to come through in years)...are "deadwood".

Seriously, please explain.

X 2

Incompetance.

 

[Flippedy]

If it's true that Sheens and co are only getting rid of the so called 'deadwood' in order to make room for all these so called 'brilliant' NYC players, and we're not buying anyone else apart from maybe Blair, then why aren't the young blokes being blooded in first grade now? The season is just about over for us anyway - may as well chuck em in there now.

How the hell are we supposed to be competitive next year when half the team will be full of rookies? It's a big call just to expect them _all_ to step up into first grade, successfully, week in and week out, imo. Surely there has to be some other experienced players coming to the Tigers, besides Blair - if he ever actually comes, that is!

 

[stryker]

Geez people talk crap here. "Deadwood" is the reason for the cleanout? Please explain how Heighno (our hardest working forward)…Gibbs (our best defensive forward and a bloke who's genuinely improved the past 12 months)...and Fifita (our best forward prospect to come through in years)...are "deadwood".

Seriously, please explain.

Where did I say that those blokes were the deadwood?

Gibbs and Fifita are only 2 of the 8 that are going.
Heighno is still here.

Get your facts straight before attacking…

 

[MightyMaggy]

We were one point away from the grand final last year.

Sheens won us out first premiership on 36 years. **He won it with players that bleed black and gold**. If the rest of the fans want to buy a premiership like the roosters did.

Our defense in the past month has been close to the best we have ever had. This year is not over, we will make the 8 and we will win the comp.

Can we please believe in our footy club for once. Midway through 05 we were 151-1 to win the premiership…everyone on this forum talks alot if crap and I bet half havent run let alone play league in the past 10 years. Your opinion dosent matter!
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I assume the leaving out "white" was simply an oversight on your behalf?

I am a little too old to have played Rugby League in the last forty years, but I will defend my right to have an opinion and express it, whether you think it matters or not. By the way, I bleed Black, Gold AND WHITE!

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Thats right it is my opinion. Its my right to articulate it.

My point was yes there is deadwood in the club and yes there has been for some time. Why were they all re-signed and then told to move on? As of today there are 8 confirmed blokes leaving at seasons end. If you believe the rumors it may end up being 10+, most with years left on current contracts.

With only Blair being seriously rumored to be joining us that means that a heap of NYC players will be regulars in the top grade next year. At the time of these contract extensions, that would not have been the case.

What has changed? IMO we must be in deep poo with the auditors…

The club's current plan is not the same one that we started with this season. You don't wake up all of a sudden and realise you have 5 or 6 juniors capable of first grade who need their contracts upgraded.

It may be a good group of juniors, but their development has not triggered the decisions to release players recently re-signed. Salary cap issues has seen our club move to rely on juniors more heavily than usual. We are lucky to have such a large junior base to be able to use this strategy, otherwise you have to purchase bargain first graders who are ordinary. However, make no mistake, we have got our salary cap wrong and the strategy of the club has changed from that it had at the start of the season.

 

[tiger05]

Heighno is still here.

Yep. And until I hear official announcement otherwise I'll assume he will be a west tiger next year.

 

[happy_tiger]

If Rhino is up for grabs someone would of grabbed him by now . If clubs so readily snapped up lesser players such as Fifita ,Gibbs and Moltzen they would be coming out of the woodwork (either NRL or ESL ) for Heighington

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Geez people talk crap here. "Deadwood" is the reason for the cleanout? Please explain how Heighno (our hardest working forward)…Gibbs (our best defensive forward and a bloke who's genuinely improved the past 12 months)...and Fifita (our best forward prospect to come through in years)...are "deadwood".

Seriously, please explain.

None of these players consistently bend or dent the line. Describing them as "deadwood" is a little harsh, but the reality is there is a reason we are consistently belted in the forwards.

Heighington is gone BTW.

 

[innsaneink]

Thats right it is my opinion. Its my right to articulate it.

My point was yes there is deadwood in the club and yes there has been for some time. Why were they all re-signed and then told to move on? As of today there are 8 confirmed blokes leaving at seasons end. If you believe the rumors it may end up being 10+, most with years left on current contracts.

With only Blair being seriously rumored to be joining us that means that a heap of NYC players will be regulars in the top grade next year. At the time of these contract extensions, that would not have been the case.

What has changed? IMO we must be in deep poo with the auditors…

The club's current plan is not the same one that we started with this season. You don't wake up all of a sudden and realise you have 5 or 6 juniors capable of first grade who need their contracts upgraded.

It may be a good group of juniors, but their development has not triggered the decisions to release players recently re-signed. Salary cap issues has seen our club move to rely on juniors more heavily than usual. **We are lucky to have such a large junior base to be able to use this strategy, otherwise you have to purchase bargain first graders who are ordinary.** However, make no mistake, we have got our salary cap wrong and the strategy of the club has changed from that it had at the start of the season.

Spot on Gary

And we are lucky, however it is still risky, theyre banking on some players that have yet to taste NRL, they may not cut it.
It will help still help our cap woes if thats the case, it wont help our results though.

 

[happy_tiger]

Thats right it is my opinion. Its my right to articulate it.

My point was yes there is deadwood in the club and yes there has been for some time. Why were they all re-signed and then told to move on? As of today there are 8 confirmed blokes leaving at seasons end. If you believe the rumors it may end up being 10+, most with years left on current contracts.

With only Blair being seriously rumored to be joining us that means that a heap of NYC players will be regulars in the top grade next year. At the time of these contract extensions, that would not have been the case.

What has changed? IMO we must be in deep poo with the auditors…

The club's current plan is not the same one that we started with this season. You don't wake up all of a sudden and realise you have 5 or 6 juniors capable of first grade who need their contracts upgraded.

It may be a good group of juniors, but their development has not triggered the decisions to release players recently re-signed. Salary cap issues has seen our club move to rely on juniors more heavily than usual. **We are lucky to have such a large junior base to be able to use this strategy, otherwise you have to purchase bargain first graders who are ordinary.** However, make no mistake, we have got our salary cap wrong and the strategy of the club has changed from that it had at the start of the season.

Spot on Gary

And we are lucky, however it is still risky, theyre banking on some players that have yet to taste NRL, they may not cut it.
It will help still help our cap woes if thats the case, it wont help our results though.

Ink we will never know if these young fellas are up to it if they aren't ever tried or tested Groat in what I have seen reminds me of Matt Scott .We just need to develop them correctly and wisely for the future and it will pay off handsomely . We just need to be patient .
2012 may be a bit of a bludger of a year but you have to look at the big picture

 

[innsaneink]

Im not saying its the wrong way to go or we shouldnt do it.
But to put all your eggs - or most of them - into these juniors could be risky, if theyre not up to it - theyre not up to it, no amount of correct and wise development will turn them into firstgraders…its why juniors are generally brought through sporadically now & then.
They are after all seemingly talking about half a dozen or so 20's palyers

 

[happy_tiger]

Im not saying its the wrong way to go or we shouldnt do it.
But to put all your eggs - or most of them - into these juniors could be risky, if theyre not up to it - theyre not up to it, no amount of correct and wise development will turn them into firstgraders…its why juniors are generally brought through sporadically now & then.
They are after all seemingly talking about half a dozen or so 20's palyers

I'm not sure they will start all 6 at once but will give them bench starts sporadically to help them get used to the speed and strength of the game for the forwards and bring the likes of Sironen ,Tedesco ,Koroibate and the likes starts to cover injuries .Its not as we don't have injury concerns every year

 

[bbtiger81]

As of today there are 8 confirmed blokes leaving at seasons end. If you believe the rumors it may end up being 10+, most with years left on current contracts.

Who are the eight confirmed, please? Moltzen, Fifita, Gibbs, McKinnon, Payten, Flanagan,…...?
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[sjtiger]

The Broncos have put their trust in many of their 20's & they are going real well.
I hope this "educated gamble"works for us.

Sure they have Lockyer, Thaiday & Hodges, but they have missed their fair share of games this year due to Origin & injury.

Assuming all are fit & healthy in 2012, between Farah, Marshall, Ellis, Tuquiri, Galloway, Lawrence & Dwyer, we have a great nucleus. Just need to find the missing puzzle pieces.

 

[stryker]

As of today there are 8 confirmed blokes leaving at seasons end. If you believe the rumors it may end up being 10+, most with years left on current contracts.

Who are the eight confirmed, please? Moltzen, Fifita, Gibbs, McKinnon, Payten, Flanagan,…...?
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Tank and Cayless.

 

[Flippedy]

Im not saying its the wrong way to go or we shouldnt do it.
But to put all your eggs - or most of them - into these juniors could be risky, if theyre not up to it - theyre not up to it, no amount of correct and wise development will turn them into firstgraders…its why juniors are generally brought through sporadically now & then.
They are after all seemingly talking about half a dozen or so 20's palyers

I'm not sure they will start all 6 at once but will give them bench starts sporadically to help them get used to the speed and strength of the game for the forwards and bring the likes of Sironen ,Tedesco ,Koroibate and the likes starts to cover injuries .Its not as we don't have injury concerns every year

My question remains - if they are putting so much stock into these young guys for next year, why not blood them in first grade now? BMM is the only one getting any NRL time and experience. It's ridiculous to wait until next year to throw them in, hoping they will automatically turn into first graders - one or two may, but most probably won't.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

lets face it,not all these guyz we are all talking up will make it.I got no doubt a few will but i've also got no doubt some will fall into the Blake Lazaraus file

 

[Snowy]

Im not saying its the wrong way to go or we shouldnt do it.
But to put all your eggs - or most of them - into these juniors could be risky, if theyre not up to it - theyre not up to it, no amount of correct and wise development will turn them into firstgraders…its why juniors are generally brought through sporadically now & then.
They are after all seemingly talking about half a dozen or so 20's palyers

I'm not sure they will start all 6 at once but will give them bench starts sporadically to help them get used to the speed and strength of the game for the forwards and bring the likes of Sironen ,Tedesco ,Koroibate and the likes starts to cover injuries .Its not as we don't have injury concerns every year

My question remains - if they are putting so much stock into these young guys for next year, why not blood them in first grade now? BMM is the only one getting any NRL time and experience. It's ridiculous to wait until next year to throw them in, hoping they will automatically turn into first graders - one or two may, but most probably won't.

IMO let them finish their season in the 20s and give them a full off season. We can't throw these guys to the wolves and risk their development. There is not much we as supporters can do except support, I know it's tempting to get the young guns in but it would be a mistake.